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My understanding about this is the Court didn't deny watcher were kept a great many feet away from the poll workers counting. Some say it was 25 feet, 50 or 100 at times. The PA court basically said there is no rule stipulating how many feet was deemed acceptable so anything the Poll supervisor stipulated constituted allowing access. In the real world that doesn't fly IMO not in a world where people believe in fairness and justice. In my country I worked in elections and poll watchers were allowed at a reasonable distance where they could see all paper work, lets just say 6 feet would be fine although it wasn't spelled out for it didn't need to be.

To say any distance layed down by the Supervisors constitutes fairness and justice although in line with the letter of the law, does in my opinion violate the spirit of the law. There should be some things that are self evident that you need not to have spelled out. Thus the argument for meaningful access is a valid one. If it's not meaningful then how does it inspire confidence in election results which is what poll watchers are there to create. 30 or 50 feet away from any tables? Much of America and probably even most will not consider that just. Legal maybe but not just.
 
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Here is a ball for you to dodge. Defend the liberal position on the murder of the unborn. Biblical links to your defense would be great but I will not hold my breath. If you even respond your tap dance around this will be amusing.
Ahhh!....the famous "When you can't support any of your points, try to change the subject instead!" (tm) response. It's an oldie but a goodie! :oldthumbsup:
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My understanding (snip) IMO (snip) in my opinion (snip)
It's nice you have those. But, unfortunately for President Trump, your opinions aren't what courts consider in making decisions. :wave:
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...since you haven't presented any facts in support the things you and I have posted about, there's nothing in need of refuting. All you've posted (in the posts we've interacted) are your opinions as far as I can see, that's what Hitchens's razor was about. :wave:
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You are a broken record. Nice tap dance. I didn’t give you an opinion I ask a simple question which you are unable or unwilling to answer which is in itself an answer.
 
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It's nice you have those. But, unfortunately for President Trump, your opinions aren't what courts consider in making decisions. :wave:
tulc(just thought that should be pointed out)

Ha...actually you've expressed opinions too and you don't wait for Courts to decide. Isn't that right tulc? :oldthumbsup:
 
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You are a broken record. Nice tap dance.
No, the only person in this thread doing a frantic tap dance wouldn't be the person supplying links to support their side of the discussion.


I didn’t give you an opinion
No you're right, you didn't, what you attempted to do was change the subject of the thread to something else because you couldn't provide any support for your argument. It's a pretty standard ploy people who are losing an argument try when they realize that.


I ask a simple question which you are unable or unwilling to answer which is in itself an answer.
Ahhh! Would this be the part where some people will grandly sweep their way off a thread with their hands raised, proudly declaring they just won an argument they actually lost about four or five pages ago?
tulc(is just curious)
 
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Ha...actually you've expressed opinions too and you don't wait for Courts to decide. Isn't that right tulc? :oldthumbsup:
True, but I try to not make the mistake of thinking my opinions are facts. And when I post an opinion I generally try to supply a reason for why I hold that opinion. :wave:
tulc(will admit, he does hold a lot of opinions about a lot of things) :sorry:
 
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1. Trump does not “kidnap” anyone. You are over simplifying and subverting the border issue using it to demonize Trump.
We are each entitled to our opinion.

Obama built and used the cages everyone complains about.

My favorite right wing whataboutism.

Gun manufactures must be responsible for mass shootings then, right?
They BUILT the guns after all.

No mention by you of the children being used to gain access to this country illegally by persons other than their parents. This issue is far more complicated than you portray.

However complicated it is, do it's proponents identify more closely with these people on Jesus's Right: for I was hungry, and ye gave me to eat; I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink; I was a stranger, and ye took me in; 36 naked, and ye clothed me; I was sick, and ye visited me; I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
Or more closely with these people on Jesus' Left:
42 for I was hungry, and ye did not give me to eat; I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink; 43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in; naked, and ye clothed me not; sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

I still say Left. Over 600 Kids taken from their parents solely as retribution AGAINST the parents for crossing the border to seek asylum (which is a perfectly LEGAL activity), and to send a message to future asylum seekers not to come.

Shameful and 100% UN-Christlike. 100%

2. Your charge Trump wants to “ remove access to healthcare and remove funding for essential services critical to the survival of the least among us” is false.

Trump administration urges Supreme Court to overturn the Affordable Care Act

In the midst of the coronavirus pandemic, the Trump administration on Thursday urged the Supreme Court to overturn the Affordable Care Act. The late-night court filing came on the same day the government reported that close to half a million people who lost their health insurance amid the economic shutdown have gotten coverage through HealthCare.gov.

The administration's legal brief makes no mention of the coronavirus.

Overall, some 20 million Americans could lose their health coverage, and protections for people with preexisting health conditions also would be put at risk if the court agrees with the administration in the case, which won't be heard before the fall.

43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in; naked, and ye clothed me not; sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

Merry Christmas: Republicans Cut SNAP Benefits
“The Trump Administration issued a draconian rule in the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program that will cut off basic food assistance for nearly 700,000 of the nation’s poorest and most destitute people,” Robert Greenstein, the president and founder of the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities said in a statement

“These are folks who are already living on the edge,” says Lisa Hamler-Fugitt, the executive director of the Ohio Association of Foodbanks. She adds, “It is our national nutrition safety net and it serves 40 million Americans. I’ve never witnessed anything like this. It’s a deliberate attack.” Unsurprisingly, the rule will hit communities of color and people living in rural areas the hardest.

42 for I was hungry, and ye did not give me to eat; I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink;


Where did he give billions to corporate welfare ? Was it in tax cuts that made the economy soar benefiting the whole nation.

Tax cuts to the rich rarely Boost the economy.
Raising taxes on them does, however.
High top marginal tax rates (generally well above 60%) on rich people actually stabilize the economy, prevent economic bubbles from forming, prevent economic crashes, and lead to steady and sustained economic growth (and steady and sustained wage growth for working people).

On the other hand, when top marginal rates drop below 50 percent, the opposite happens. The massive Republican tax cuts of the 1920s (from 73% to 25%) led directly to the Roaring '20s stock market bubble, temporary boom, and then the crash and Republican Great Depression of 1929.

Rates on the very rich went back up into the 70-90% range from the 1930s to the 1980s. As a result, the economy grew steadily; for the first time in the history of our nation we went 50 years without a crash or major bank failure; and working people's wages increased enough to produce the strongest middle class this nation has ever seen.

Then came Reaganomics.

Reagan cut top marginal rates on millionaires and billionaires from 74% down to 38% and there was an immediate surge in the markets - followed by the worst crash since the Great Depression and the failure of virtually the entire nation's savings and loan banking system.

Bush Sr cut taxes, and the nation fell into a severe recession while debt soared and wages for working people fell.

Things stabilized somewhat when Clinton slightly raised taxes on the very rich, but W. Bush dropped them again - including taking taxes on unearned income (interest and dividends - the "income" that people like W. born with a trust fund "earn" as they sit around the pool waiting for the dividend check to arrive in the mail) down to a top rate of 15%. (That's right - trust fund babies pay a MAXIMUM 15% federal income tax on their dividend and interest income, thanks to the second Bush tax cut.) The result of this surge in easy money for the wealthy, combined with deregulation in the financial markets, was the "froth" Greenspan worried about and led us straight into the Second Republican Great Depression.

The math is really pretty simple. When the uber-rich are heavily taxed, economies prosper and wages for working people steadily rise. When taxes are cut for the rich, working people suffer and economies turn into casinos.

To close I will say I in no way claim the political right is perfect before God because it is not but I will say it’s platform is more closely aligned with biblical principals than that of the left.
Except those Biblical principles laid out in Matthew 25:34-45. The Political RIGHT most definitely more closely aligns with those of Jesus' LEFT in the passage. Without question.


Your avoidance of the abortion

Since neither side demonstrably wants to make it illegal, it's a non issue politically for me.

lawlessness

We have the most lawless president in Modern History today.
More than 175 current, former law enforcement officials endorse Joe Biden, slam Trump as 'lawless' president
and the rejection of Jerusalem

Rejection of Jerusalem as what exactly... what is being rejected??

You mean like this rejection?:
Matthew 23:37-38
37 “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing. 38 Look, your house is left to you desolate.

Or do you mean some other rejection?
 
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Over 600 Kids taken from their parents solely as retribution AGAINST the parents for crossing the border to seek asylum (which is a perfectly LEGAL activity), and to send a message to future asylum seekers not to come.
Senator AOC tried the above argument and came out of it looking very stupid.
There are legal ways to seek entry into the USA as asylum seekers and many have taken that route and eventually become U.S. citizens. They chose the illegal method, breaking the law. If the children had been incarcerated with their mothers, that would have been in violation of the law since the children are not culpable for their parents actions, however the facilities were built with adults in mind. They did not have a suitable area where the children of law breakers could stay. It also appears that the mothers did not take their children back with them deliberately, because it would mean that they at least got their children into the USA, even if they themselves could not get in. Otherwise why have they not been able to reunite the children with their mothers.
 
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Trump Election Fraud Claims Disappear in Pennsylvania Court

"(Bloomberg) -- President Donald Trump’s lawyer Rudy Giuliani described at length to a federal judge in Pennsylvania a vast but vague Democratic conspiracy to steal the election that justified the invalidation of hundreds of thousands of votes -- enough to flip the state from President-elect Joe Biden to Trump.

But U.S. District Judge Matthew Brann cut straight to the heart of the matter, wondering aloud why it would be reasonable to throw out so many valid ballots -- Giuliani at one point said 1.5 million would have to go -- based on allegations that some votes were merely counted improperly.

“How can this result possibly be justified?” Brann asked during a six-hour hearing in Williamsport on the state’s motion to dismiss the lawsuit on Tuesday.

And when Brann pressed Giuliani to explain why none of the specific legal claims in the suit are based on voter fraud, the president’s lawyer admitted the campaign isn’t pleading voter fraud at all. Later, Brann asked whether he should apply a higher legal standard of “strict scrutiny” to the case, which is required when fraud is alleged.

“If we had alleged fraud, then yes, but this is not a fraud case,” Giuliani said quickly.

Even so, Giuliani, picked by Trump to lead his post-election litigation, argued that the “draconian” remedy requested was warranted by the magnitude of fraud, carried out by Democratic election officials in U.S. swing states’ biggest cities, from Philadelphia to Las Vegas."

Found here: Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Don't be alarmed by the Are you a robot thing. It links directly to the Bloomberg article.
 
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In the USA there are several kinds of churches. Churches that believe in the Bible could not vote for a person that believes in abortion, lawlessness, the rejection of Jerusalem, and many more issues that Democrats believe in!

Certainly churches that believe in the bible couldn't vote for a party that endorsed a candidate who happily agreed for his partner to have an abortion, practices lying, greed, gluttony, defies the rule of law, swindles people out of their money via multiple business failures and bankruptcies and had several affairs....
 
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Certainly churches that believe in the bible couldn't vote for a party that endorsed a candidate who happily agreed for his partner to have an abortion, practices lying, greed, gluttony, defies the rule of law, swindles people out of their money via multiple business failures and bankruptcies and had several affairs....
Certainly churches that believe in the bible couldn't vote for a party that endorsed a candidate who happily agreed for his partner to have an abortion, practices lying, greed, gluttony, defies the rule of law, swindles people out of their money via multiple business failures and bankruptcies and had several affairs....
I am not sure of the sin of President Trump and that is between him and Jesus but a sin of murdering babies nation wide that is approved by a certain person or group is a willful sin that continues every day is a sin I believe that God will not just forget!
 
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I am not sure of the sin of President Trump and that is between him and Jesus but a sin of murdering babies nation wide that is approved by a certain person or group is a willful sin that continues every day is a sin I believe that God will not just forget!
The Republican politicians who gave only lip service to “fighting abortion” in order to cash in on campaign contributions, when they did absolutely nothing to end the killing, nor had any demonstrable desire to do so, for the last several decades, because they knew if they did the contributions would disappear, have a special place reserved for them in the lake of fire.
Indeed God does not forget.
 
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The Republican politicians who gave only lip service to “fighting abortion” in order to cash in on campaign contributions, when they did absolutely nothing to end the killing, nor had any demonstrable desire to do so, for the last several decades, because they knew if they did the contributions would disappear, have a special place reserved for them in the lake of fire.
Indeed God does not forget.
Your attempt to attach the sacrifice of children in the womb to the god molech to the conservatives while ignoring the blatant in your face support of the majority of liberal leaders in government and the press is sickening. Just review any of the more recent Supreme Court hearings and listen to vial rhetoric from liberal senators and liberal news commentators. Any sane person with their eyes wide open (Christian or not) can discern where the EVIL lies. Your attempt to give equal blame for this plague to both sides is irresponsible, without merit and unbecoming of a professing Christian. Yes you have the right to be wrong if I were you I would just stop being so proud of it. Your attempt to use your Bible to separate conservatives to the left of Jesus thereby condemning them to eternal punishment and place the liberals to the right of Jesus extolling their righteousness is an insult to any Bible believing Christian who reads such twisted reasoning. Again all conservatives are not saints but show me one prominent liberal leader in government or the press who even pretends uphold biblical values on any topic.
Since neither side demonstrably wants to make it illegal, it's a non issue politically for me.
. The fact that Trump appointed 3 conservatives to the Supreme Court proves your reasoning for a neutral stance on the murder of babies to be lacking in substance. Give them time I believe a change will come. Extolling the fake virtues of the liberals will never help this issue.
 
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Senator AOC tried the above argument and came out of it looking very stupid.
There are legal ways to seek entry into the USA as asylum seekers and many have taken that route and eventually become U.S. citizens. They chose the illegal method, breaking the law. If the children had been incarcerated with their mothers, that would have been in violation of the law since the children are not culpable for their parents actions, however the facilities were built with adults in mind. They did not have a suitable area where the children of law breakers could stay. It also appears that the mothers did not take their children back with them deliberately, because it would mean that they at least got their children into the USA, even if they themselves could not get in. Otherwise why have they not been able to reunite the children with their mothers.
1) She isn't a Senator. She's a Representative or Congresswoman. 2) You do not need to enter the US at a port of entry to legally be entitled to ask for asylum. And they were only forced to cross the border illegally when the Trump Administration illegally stopped allowing them to seek asylum at ports of entry. 3) There is no requirement to lock up people before they are found guilty of a crime. It was a choice to lock them up on the part of the Trump administration. $) They were not able to reunite the children with their mothers because the Trump Administration didn't bother keeping records on which children they took from their families or where they ended up.
 
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Your attempt to attach the sacrifice of children in the womb to the god molech to the conservatives while ignoring the blatant in your face support of the majority of liberal leaders in government and the press is sickening.

1) Its is indeed one type of sin to support Legal abortion with your words and your votes. It is a whole other level of rancid evil all together to lie about your opposition to it in order to personally profit off the continued killing. Of course these evil conservatives count on folks like you to continue to fall for the misdirection and focus your ire on only one side of the coin, and willfully jam their heads in the sand when the other side rears it far uglier, purely evil head.

2) It is mostly Conservative, Republican politicians and elite who have been gathering every year for the past 140 years in northern California to partake in actual ritual sacrifice ceremonies to an actual stone Idol of Molech, and again these Republican elites count on folks like you to fall for the misdirection, keep sending in your campaign contributions, while they robe up, dance, chant and sacrifice to their stone God.
Inside The Bohemian Grove, Where Conservative Masters Of The Universe Gather To Get Wasted

Your attempt to use your Bible to separate conservatives to the left of Jesus thereby condemning them to eternal punishment and place the liberals to the right of Jesus extolling their righteousness is an insult to any Bible believing Christian who reads such twisted reasoning. Again all conservatives are not saints but show me one prominent liberal leader in government or the press who even pretends uphold biblical values on any topic.

Your continued attempt to claim that Matthew 25:34-40 are NOT Biblical Values to be upheld, nor are currently being upheld by liberal politicians at a far greater rate than by conservative ones, is the only twisted reasoning happening between us.
 
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This video seems to be quite worrying. God Bless.

Not worrying at all, that is unless you support Trump and don't want Biden in office and cling to whatever you can to discredit Biden.
 
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