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That is not what I am saying either. The baptism of the Holy Spirit is not about "being made membersThat's not what I've been saying. I'm saying that the means through which you and I are made members of the Church, united to Christ, and how the Spirit Himself works in our lives to bring about His work is Baptism.
of the church", that is established by water baptism. The Holy Spirit baptism is for accomplishing the work of ministry. (post #13, which you are not responding to, as I am not responding to "Chrismation", and Hippolytus.
1 Timothy 4:14. Do not neglect the gift that is in you, which was given to you by prophecy with the laying on of the hands of the eldership.
That is exactly the association made in scripture.What I am rejecting is the idea that the laying on of hands (Chrismation) is "the baptism with the Holy Spirit"; or at least Scripture itself never makes that association.
Acts 1:8. But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.
you shall be witnesses to Me=work of the ministry
Luke 24:
48 And you are witnesses of these things.
49 Behold, I send the Promise of My Father upon you; but tarry in the city of Jerusalem until you are endued with power from on high.=baptism of the Holy Spirit for the work of ministry.
These are elementary principles.
Hebrews 6:
1 Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God,
2 of the doctrine of baptisms, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
Another word that is used is anointing=spiritual gift necessary for the task. If you insist on separating
the baptism of the Holy Spirit from ministering under the anointing of the Holy Spirit, you should
proceed with caution, or end up like the sons of Sceva.
When someone from our church is being "sent out", be it mission field, or street ministry, elders
lay on hands and pray for the anointing of the Holy Spirit to complete the work in His strength. You
say this is not a "baptism", but to succeed in the Lord's work, which is far beyond our own sufficiency,
you must have more than "the seal of the Spirit" received with water baptism, you must be immersed.
Acts 4:8 Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit....
Do you associate the term "filled with the Holy Spirit with the baptism (immersion in the Spirit), or why not?
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