Abortion- is it wrong?

Archivist said:

You are quoting the Declaration of Independence, which carries no legal weight other than to separate the US from England. The 14th Amendment specifically provides that citizenship begins at birth, not conception.

Totally immoral? What about cases of rape as I addressed earlier in post 106?

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Life, human life, starts at conception.

Lost4words said:

Life, human life, starts at conception.

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Actually scientists don’t even agree on that. Our Jewish friends would tell us that it begins with the first breath and some Christians would agree.

Archivist said:

Actually scientists don’t even agree on that. Our Jewish friends would tell us that it begins with the first breath and some Christians would agree.

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I am talking from a Christian perspective and a moral one too.

What happens at conception? Life starts! God gives that life a soul. Without conception, life would not 'start'.

Lost4words said:

I am talking from a Christian perspective and a moral one too.

What happens at conception? Life starts! God gives that life a soul. Without conception, life would not 'start'.

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Again, not all Christians would agree.

I have asked before, what about cases of rape?

Archivist said:

Again, not all Christians would agree.

I have asked before, what about cases of rape?

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What about them?

Does the baby deserve to be murdered? Is the baby at fault for being conceived? Is its life worthless?

Lost4words said:

What about them?

Does the baby deserve to be murdered? Is the baby at fault for being conceived? Is its life worthless?

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Try addressing my post 106. Anytime a woman is pregnant there is a chance of death or other complications. Why should she have to face that if she was raped?

Archivist said:

Try addressing my post 106. Anytime a woman is pregnant there is a chance of death or other complications. Why should she have to face that if she was raped?

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I am. Again, Does the baby deserve to be murdered? Is the baby at fault for being conceived? Is its life worthless?

Lost4words said:

I am. Again, Does the baby deserve to be murdered? Is the baby at fault for being conceived? Is its life worthless?

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Is the rape victim’s life worthless? Women die in childbirth. She didn’t asked to be impregnated.

Lost4words said:

I am. Again, Does the baby deserve to be murdered? Is the baby at fault for being conceived? Is its life worthless?

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I had a cousin who just had a difficult pregnancy. Fortunately she and my new little cousin are both fine. But it was her choice. She and her husband both wanted a baby. In the case of a rape victim the choice is made by the rapist. If the victim is not given the option of an abortion then she has no say in the matter.

Archivist said:

A pregnant woman has to deal with weight gain, morning sickness, and--worse--possible diabetes. There is the pain and scaring that accompanies childbirth. Pregnancies always come with risks. Women die in childbirth. So aborting following a rape isn't just "adding another wrong." It can be seen as self defense.

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I killed you, my unborn child because I had morning sickness, and weight gain, and the doctor mentioned the possibility of diabetes. I hope you understood that I couldn't endure any of that. It was self defense really. Sorry you had to die, but I'm bigger than you were, and more powerful, and that's the law of the jungle.

chevyontheriver said:

I killed you, my unborn child because I had morning sickness, and weight gain, and the doctor mentioned the possibility of diabetes. I hope you understood that I couldn't endure any of that. It was self defense really. Sorry you had to die, but I'm bigger than you were, and more powerful, and that's the law of the jungle.

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And I was the victim of assault, possibly impregnated by a man I didn’t even know. You forgot that...

Archivist said:

And I was the victim of assault, possibly impregnated by a man I didn’t even know. You forgot that...

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I killed you, my unborn child because I had morning sickness, and weight gain, and the doctor mentioned the possibility of diabetes. I hope you understood that I couldn't endure any of that. It was self defense really. Sorry you had to die, but I'm bigger than you were, and more powerful, and that's the law of the jungle. I was wronged and now I wrong you to make it all even.

Archivist said:

Actually scientists don’t even agree on that. Our Jewish friends would tell us that it begins with the first breath and some Christians would agree.

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Would you tell someone who had a miscarriage they hadnt lost a baby as its life hadnt begun?

Archivist said:

Is the rape victim’s life worthless? Women die in childbirth. She didn’t asked to be impregnated.

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Oh, so the womans feelings is more important than the life of a little human being? Murder is to take precedent over her feelings?

GirdYourLoins said:

Would you tell someone who had a miscarriage they hadnt lost a baby as its life hadnt begun?

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No. Why would I say that?

Archivist said:

I had a cousin who just had a difficult pregnancy. Fortunately she and my new little cousin are both fine. But it was her choice. She and her husband both wanted a baby. In the case of a rape victim the choice is made by the rapist. If the victim is not given the option of an abortion then she has no say in the matter.

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It is not the fault of the baby. Why should the baby be murdered?

Lost4words said:

Oh, so the womans feelings is more important than the life of a little human being? Murder is to take precedent over her feelings?

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But we aren’t talking about just her feelings. We are talking about protecting her life. She didn’t ask to be raped.

Lost4words said:

Its is not the fault of the baby. Why should the baby be murdered?

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Why should the pregnant woman face death?

Archivist said:

But we aren’t talking about just her feelings. We are talking about protecting her life. She didn’t ask to be raped.

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Protect her life? The baby didnt ask to get conceived either. You would choose to murder a baby to protect someones feelings!

Archivist said:

Why should the pregnant woman face death?

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How death? You were on about rape?