There is only One Gospel

Jesus is YHWH said:

Peter preached the gospel

Acts 2
23This man was handed over to you by God’s deliberate plan and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men, put him to death by nailing him to the cross. 24 But God raised him from the dead, freeing him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for death to keep its hold on him.

31Seeing what was to come, he spoke of the resurrection of the Messiah, that he was not abandoned to the realm of the dead, nor did his body see decay. 32 God has raised this Jesus to life, and we are all witnesses of it. 33 Exalted to the right hand of God, he has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear

Acts 3
14 You disowned the Holy and Righteous One and asked that a murderer be released to you. 15 You killed the author of life, but God raised him from the dead. We are witnesses of this.

18But this is how God fulfilled what he had foretold through all the prophets, saying that his Messiah would suffer. 19 Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord, 20 and that he may send the Messiah, who has been appointed for you—even Jesus. 21 Heaven must receive him until the time comes for God to restore everything, as he promised long ago through his holy prophets.

Acts 3:26
When God raised up his servant, Jesus, he sent him first to you people of Israel, to bless you by turning each of you back from your sinful ways.”

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Did Peter ever told Israel that Christ died for their sins?

If you read properly Acts 2:36, he accused Israel of murder. Christ died because they crucified him, but God raised him from the dead as proof that he is indeed the promised Son of God

Yes, you are correct, Peter was preaching the Gospel, but that Gospel is called the gospel of the kingdom. Israel needed to believe that Jesus was indeed the promised Messiah and Son of God (John 20:31)

That gospel, if you still preach to anyone now, won't save anyone today.

Jesus is YHWH said:

He sure did when he told them their sin is what put Him on the cross and then tells them this:

Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

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Did Peter tell them all their sins are forgiven the moment they repent and be water baptized?

What does Acts 3:19-21 says?

Is that what Paul also teaches us?

Guojing said:

What do you think Peter was preaching in Acts 2 and 3?

Do you think he told Israel that Christ died for their sins, and rose again on the 3rd day as a sign that all their sins are forever blotted out? (Romans 4:25)

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He was preaching the Gospel. He preached Christ's life, death, and resurrection.

-CryptoLutheran

Guojing said:

Instead of inserting your own interpretation, why not just read Genesis 15:5 and accept it literally?

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And who are Abraham's children? See Galatians 3:7.

-CryptoLutheran

Guojing said:

Did Peter tell them all their sins are forgiven the moment they repent and be water baptized?

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Yes, since in Baptism we are united to Christ and dead to sin (Romans 6:2-11), through Baptism God appropriates the saving work of Jesus Christ to us (Romans 6:3-4, Colossians 2:12-13), giving us faith (Romans 10:17, Ephesians 5:26). For we are saved by grace through faith, which is God's gift, not our works (Ephesians 2:8-9).

What does Acts 3:19-21 says?

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That God's promises had been fulfilled in the coming of the Messiah, to repent, and trust in Jesus Christ

"And now, brothers, I know that you acted in ignorance, as did also your rulers. But what God foretold by the mouth of all the prophets, that his Christ would suffer, he thus fulfilled. Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out, that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, and that he may send the Christ appointed for you, Jesus, whom heaven must receive until the time for restoring all the things about which God spoke by the mouth of his holy prophets long ago. Moses said, ‘The Lord God will raise up for you a prophet like me from your brothers. You shall listen to him in whatever he tells you. And it shall be that every soul who does not listen to that prophet shall be destroyed from the people.’ And all the prophets who have spoken, from Samuel and those who came after him, also proclaimed these days. You are the sons of the prophets and of the covenant that God made with your fathers, saying to Abraham, ‘And in your offspring shall all the families of the earth be blessed.’ God, having raised up his servant, sent him to you first, to bless you by turning every one of you from your wickedness." - Acts of the Apostles 3:17-26

Is that what Paul also teaches us?

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Yes.

-CryptoLutheran

Saint Steven said:

Yes. And I appreciated the clueless genderlessness of the word "itself" in this context.
At this rate they will soon attempt own the whole alphabet.
But for convenience sake they could just cap it at LGBTQWXYZ.

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Truth is, I didn't mean to specifically write "itself" at all. But when I realized what I had written, I decided to leave it.

ViaCrucis said:

Yes.
-CryptoLutheran

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Acts 3:19 KJV Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.

20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:

21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

If you are reading it literally, without inserting what Paul taught us inside, Peter is urging Israel to repent so that their sins may be, not surely, be blotted out.

And when will their sins be blotted out? In the future, when Jesus Christ returns for them, in his 2nd coming, the so called "times of refreshing".

This view by Peter is reaffirmed by what he wrote to the Jews in 1 Peter 4:17-18

17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

Paul does not teach the Body of Christ that. We are forgiven the moment we believe in his death burial and resurrection for our sins.

It is not a may be, nor will it only come in the future.

Jesus is YHWH said:

go ahead and choose to spit hairs, its the same gospel as Paul otherwise they would not be saved/born again of the spirit.

Your view contradicts scripture and Paul's words saying Peter preached to the circumcised and Paul the uncircumcised as declared in Galatians 1-2.

Peter even declares Paul's wisdom and how people distort his teaching like they do the rest of the scripture. You are doing this right now with the gospel trying to cause division between Peter and Paul.

2 Peter 3:15-16
as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you, 16 as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.

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You can refer to my reply to Crypto above this.

But as you can see, people can give you scriptural evidence, but because your mind is already made up, it is not going to change your view.

That is not surprising, many of us don't let scripture get in the way of what we already believed to be true. We force them to mean what we want it to mean.

Guojing said:

Acts 3:19 KJV Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.

20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:

21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

If you are reading it literally, without inserting what Paul taught us inside, Peter is urging Israel to repent so that their sins may be, not surely, be blotted out.

And when will their sins be blotted out? In the future, when Jesus Christ returns for them, in his 2nd coming, the so called "times of refreshing".

Paul does not teach the Body of Christ that. We are forgiven the moment we believe in his death burial and resurrection for our sins.

It is not a may be, nor will it only come in the future.

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Christ have mercy.

-CryptoLutheran

ViaCrucis said:

Christ have mercy.

-CryptoLutheran

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Is this the first time you are reading the KJV Acts 3:19-21 slowly, and realized what it is actually saying?

Guojing said:

Is this the first time you are reading the KJV Acts 3:19-21 slowly, and realized what it is actually saying?

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I'm praying that the Lord show you mercy and open your eyes to the Gospel.

-CryptoLutheran

ViaCrucis said:

I've been pretty familiar with the passage for a long time, it doesn't mean what you are saying it means. It means what it means.

St. Peter didn't preach a different gospel than St. Paul did. Otherwise Peter would be anathema.

-CryptoLutheran

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But you do agree that "may be" does not imply certainty, and shall is a future tense right?

That is what the English words in the KJV are literally saying.

So you are right, it "means what it means", you are just ignoring the literal meaning of those words.

ViaCrucis said:

I'm praying that the Lord show you mercy and open your eyes to the Gospel.

-CryptoLutheran

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He already did, the only gospel that saves now, is found in 1 Cor 15:1-4. =)

RCrihfield said:

That is a big assumtion that Paul means that God makes us believe or not believe and hold fast or not hold fast. One could just as easily assume that the person believes or not by choice or holds fast or not by choice. So it is not so easy to see.

What a sad state to know that no matter our own will we cannot be saved or lost. Or to think God chooses to have most become lost in the end...that this is His will.

But I say, God is longsuffering to us, not willing that any should perish but that all will come to repentence. Not one person in the history of the world was meant to be lost.

Reformed you call it?

I don't mean to come off as snide. Please don't take the tone of my post that way. But the cavinist doctrine does seem like a different gospel to me.

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No, don't worry, I have been taken to be snide too, when that wasn't my intention.

I think you are misunderstanding Calvinism. Partly that is because of what you assume to be logically implied, and partly from not knowing what Calvinism teaches. It is often said to teach things it flatly does not teach. One example would be when people claim it teaches that we do not choose; Calvinism does not teach that.

You have made that same error, I think. You say, "That is a big assumtion that Paul means that God makes us believe or not believe and hold fast or not hold fast. One could just as easily assume that the person believes or not by choice or holds fast or not by choice. So it is not so easy to see." My answer to that is that both occur: God causes and we choose what he causes.

You say, "But I say, God is longsuffering to us, not willing that any should perish but that all will come to repentence. Not one person in the history of the world was meant to be lost." I think you are wrong there. Calvinists, (and I), generally say that the context of 2 Peter 3:9 shows that Peter is there referring to the elect, not the whole world, so that God is longsuffering, not willing that any of the elect should perish. There is much more to that, but that is the short version. God puts up with our foolishness and rebellion, waiting for the moment he planned for all along when we each repent, rather than to give us our just repayment immediately.

I think Romans 9 is probably the most plain place, though there are many others in Scripture, to see how God indeed does plan for some to be forever lost. See particularly verses 21 and 22, though I would prefer you read the whole passage to follow his reasoning.

For what it is worth, and since I don't know if you have read my posts in the past or not, I would also like to point out that logic itself, even aside from Scripture, but also in concert with Scripture, points to the fact that one way or another, directly or indirectly, God causes all things. (And no, that does not then logically imply that he is the author of sin --may as well head that off at the pass.)

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But you do agree that "may be" does not imply certainty, and shall is a future tense right?

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This is an artificial idea that you are inserting into the text. The text simply says ἐξαλειφθῆναι, "wiped away", it is in the aorist tense, an unqualified past tense without explicit duration; in the passive voice, and the infinitive mood. In other words it is a qualified verb, their sins will be wiped away if they repent; the wiping away of sin is conditional on their repentance.

But it is not just some generic repentance, it is a repentance in connection to faith in Jesus Christ, which is what St. Peter says. Peter points to the future, to Christ's return, their salvation is not conditional on Christ's return; but they are to turn their gaze to the future, in the hope of His return. This is not a hope for Jews only, obviously not, as Scripture routinely points us forward to Christ's return as our hope, for Christ will return, in glory, as judge of the living and the dead, we shall be raised up and transformed, and shall be with Him forever when God makes all things new and He is all in all.

Peter is, quite literally, telling them to repent and believe in Jesus Christ. He is preaching the Gospel, the Good News of Christ's coming, His life, His suffering, His death, His resurrection, and His future return in glory.

That is what the English words in the KJV are literally saying.

So you are right, it "means what it means", you are just ignoring the literal meaning of those words.

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Again, this seems to be demonstrative of your relying entirely too much on your subjective opinion about the English words used in the KJV--rather than what the text itself is saying.

-CryptoLutheran