I said:
"Until you realize the difference between saving faith and lifestyle faith, further discussion will be impossible."
Biblical Faith is Biblical Faith, FG2.
OK, you've made up up your mind, and facts won't get in the way. Got it.
Your separating saving faith from lifestyle faith is an error based in your lack of understanding of Biblical Faith.
lol. Even though I gave you a biblical explanation WITH an example to demonstrate the difference. But don't let the FACTS get in the way.
Even with your thinking that Belief is just a lexical matter, you should know that belief is belief.
I've never said or suggested that the word 'belief' is "just a lexical matter". That is ridiculous. But your inability to discern between saving and lifestyle faith is concerning.
No one is saved by lifestyle faith. Only saving faith. But don't let the FACTS get in your way.
When we first believe, we take our first step in our walk through the gate in and into the Biblical Faith Lifestyle.
No, this is saving faith. It is what saves us.
If we never made any mistakes & never stumbled our initial first step would be our first of a continuous & consistent walk straight towards eternity.
Pie in the sky naivety. All the commands in the NT refute your naivety.
This is part of the problem with Free Grace. It treats our initial Salvation as something virtually distinct from our continuing life as a Christian.
No, it's NOT "virtually distinct". What "saving faith" does is establish one's salvation, from that MOMENT when they did trust fully in Christ alone for their salvation. But you are showing your inability to discern this.
It makes such an issue of entrance & osas, that the entrance seems entirely different than the walk.
Well, there's a bit of discernment! Yes, there is a difference.
I'll give you an example from everyday life on this planet.
Getting born is "entirely different" than growing up into a well adjusted adult.
Do you see the difference?
What you have done by your conflation is claim that getting born RESULTS in becoming a well adjusted adult.
But everyone else knows better than that.
But the reality is that we walk through the gate and keep walking.
No, the biblical reality is that after we walk through the gate (get saved) we NEED TO keep walking (spiritual growth to maturity).
Saving faith is walking through the gate.
Lifestyle faith results in spiritual growth to maturity. Not all believers make it to maturity.
When I studied every Salvation verse in the NT, after extensive FG training, I was surprised to see that the Text actually looks more through and past the entrance and on into the walk of Salvation
Sure. So what? The "walk" follows saving faith.
You aren't putting the cart before the horse. You're putting the horse INTO the cart.
Every time the cross is mentioned in the NT, within that same document the walk of the Christian Life and many times our final Salvation is discussed.
Where do you get the idea of "final Salvation"? There is salvation, period.
Your concept of a 2-step process is not a Biblical concept of Salvation.
I've never ever suggested a 2-step process. So it's not my 'concept'. But it is YOUR concept from what you posted about 2 Thess 2:12.
We are to walk through the gate God brings us to and continue walking the narrow path to the end.
Quit conflating the 2 kinds of faith. Walking through the gate is saving faith. Continue walking the narrow path is lifestyle faith. They ARE different.
This is how Salvation is detailed in the Text.
No, it's not. But don't let the facts get in the way.
I really don't know what can be said to you that will make any difference if you continue to desire to hold onto your unbiblical belief about Biblical Belief.
The opposite is true. Until you realize that there is a saving faith that results in salvation and a lifestyle faith that results in spiritual maturity, there isn't anything else you need to know (FACTS).
The differentiation of belief into 2 separate beliefs is just astoundingly dumb.
I would say this claim is dumb. I've already given you a biblical example. The Exodus generation failed in lifestyle faith. And Paul made clear that they were saved, per 1 Cor 10:1-11.
Distinctions of tenses is a more pertinent discussion, but even that now takes on more clarity with your 2 separate beliefs concept.
Another dumb statement. Belief is applied to many things. But you just don't have the spiritual discernment to understand that.
Again,
Saving faith results in salvation.
Lifestyle faith results in spiritual maturity.
You have conflated these into one messy package.
How can you have an ongoing Biblical Belief when you have 2 beliefs?
Saving faith: trusting in the Person and Work of Jesus Christ to save you.
Lifestyle faith: trusting in God's promise to meet your needs.
Your issue now becomes more clear & it is as I said when I first began interacting with you: FG does not have a clear understanding of what Biblical Faith is.
I really have no idea what the "free grace" position is on "faith". But I DO know what the Bible says about it. And the examples I've given prove me correct.
You are just a conflator.
I'm glad we flushed this out & this is why I categorized the 3 different views of what Biblical Belief is.
Address my explanation about saving and lifestyle faith and PROVE me wrong from the Bible.
You've already proven that you have no discernment in this matter of faith.
By God's Grace we walk through the gate in Faith-Obedience to God our Father and our Lord Jesus Christ.
And this is saving faith. It results in salvation, obviously.
Every moment thereafter we are to continue our walk, growing in the same Faith-Obedience to God our Father and our Lord Jesus Christ.
And this is lifestyle faith. It results in spiritual growth to maturity, obviously.
But you just conflate the two, causing confusion.
God has provided the means to stay, or get back on track walking when we trip and we resolve that issue also in Faith-Obedience to Him and to our Lord by doing what God says. It's just all Faith-Obedience to God.
Yes, He does. But believers MUST avail themselves of God's help. You seem to be rather unaware of this.
Your 2 concepts of faith and your thinking we can stop our walk in Biblical Faith and revert back to what is not Biblical Faith and still enjoy the benefits provided to Biblical Faith make little to no sense.
It makes no sense to you because you STILL DO NOT UNDERSTAND what I've been saying. When a believer 'reverts back' they DON'T ENJOY the benefit provided. That's why none of this makes sense to you.
Consider what King David wrote:
Psa 51:12 - Restore to me the joy of your salvation and grant me a willing spirit, to sustain me.
Why did he write this? He had lost, not his salvation, but the JOY of his salvation.
Why did he lose that joy? Because of God's painful discipline.
Listen to what David said about God's discipline for disobedience:
Psa 32-
3 When I kept silent, my bones wasted away through my groaning all day long.
4 For day and night your hand was heavy on me; my strength was sapped as in the heat of summer.
Psa 38-
1 LORD, do not rebuke me in your anger or discipline me in your wrath.
2 Your arrows have pierced me, and your hand has come down on me.
3 Because of your wrath there is no health in my body; there is no soundness in my bones because of my sin.
4 My guilt has overwhelmed me like a burden too heavy to bear.
5 My wounds fester and are loathsome because of my sinful folly.
6 I am bowed down and brought very low; all day long I go about mourning.
7My back is filled with searing pain; there is no health in my body.
8 I am feeble and utterly crushed; I groan in anguish of heart.
9 All my longings lie open before you, Lord; my sighing is not hidden from you.
10 My heart pounds, my strength fails me; even the light has gone from my eyes.
11My friends and companions avoid me because of my wounds; my neighbors stay far away.
12 Those who want to kill me set their traps, those who would harm me talk of my ruin; all day long they scheme and lie.
13 I am like the deaf, who cannot hear, like the mute, who cannot speak;
14 I have become like one who does not hear, whose mouth can offer no reply.
Do either of these chapters sound like a 'mere handslap'?
But you have to have the 2 concepts of faith to maintain your own concept of osas.
Pure nonsense. Prove that saving faith includes lifestyle faith. You can't. But your lack of discernment prevents you from the FACTS.
Thereby you can make the lifestyle faith optional and not lose the saving faith.
Because there is NO lifestyle that saves. But you don't understand saving faith.
And then, even if you walk away from saving faith also, you still want to have what is provided to saving faith.
Astounding, actually.
Just go back and read what David wrote in Psa 32 and 38.
But don't let the facts get in the way.
