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I agree totally with what you said.
They also need to have no access to children after they are released either.
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I agree totally with what you said.
They also need to have no access to children after they are released either.
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As an answer to the OP, tell them the "truth", etc...
These can usually be put into one of two (or three) categories, etc...
Now if your actually having sexual thoughts about children all of the time, or look at inappropriate content that is of that nature, or have actually committed the act/crime, then I don't know how to really help you, etc, and don't know what should be done with you, etc, and those are two of the categories, etc...
But then there is "another category", etc...
In this category, they are not actually having sexual thoughts about children, and are not looking at inappropriate content of that nature, etc, and swear they could never even imagine themselves ever doing that or committing that act or that kind of act ever, etc, and that it's the absolute "furthest thing from them", etc, (cause that's not what it's really about, and we'll get to that in a second)...
In this category, they are simply just not around children very much, not exposed to them a whole lot, etc, don't know how to deal with them a lot, or how they should, etc, and they actually consider their interactions with children to be one of the most greatest and highest "responsibilities" on this entire planet, etc, and they are a bit "intimidated" by that, etc, and think not enough people take it seriously enough, or as seriously as they think they should, etc, don't feel the full weight and responsibility of it enough like they should, etc...
Some of these people would rather be full out engaged in combat in a horrible war on a battlefield, and on the frontlines, being shot at and shooting at other people, and people dying all around them everywhere, etc, then have to face the very great intimidation and fear they feel when dealing with children, etc...
They'd rather face almost anything else, etc...
Now maybe they dealt with children at one point in time (or maybe just never have much, etc) but maybe they either had children themselves at one point in time, and/or dealt with children before at one point in time before, and didn't feel this before, etc, and used to even maybe be actually pretty good at it, etc, but having not been being around them or dealing with them for so long now, are now have some of these feelings now, etc, again, not sexual thoughts or feelings about children, etc, but very great fear, and great dread, and intimidation and fear now, etc, and producing great extreme nervousness/anxiety, etc, when even the slightest possibility now comes up now of having to deal with children (again), etc...
Like I said, they'd rather be in a very great war on the frontlines of a battlefield, and in open battle and combat, etc, bullets flying and whizzing by and overhead, etc, people dying all around them, etc, then rather than have to deal or face the reality of dealing with children now, or again, etc...
I think this part or these kind can be "quote/unquote" "cured" though, most of the time just by being around and dealing with children on a regular basis and regularly again, etc, they often start to "relax" from those initial feelings, etc, and they usually begin to subside, with regular exposure on a regular basis again, etc...
They will probably still feel the heavy weight and responsibility of it, but they will learn to settle down and relax a bit, and realize it's not to be taken quite so seriously all of the time either, that children are stronger than they think, etc, but the panic and fears and anxieties will all start to subside and go down and go away if they were ever having to regularly deal with children on a regular basis again, etc, but might stay or stick around if they are not, etc, or until they are or were to again, etc, lack of experience, or lack of regular experiences with them, creates, or gives rise to the fear, etc...
But if you are in one of the two categories mentioned prior to all of this, that I just now mentioned or mentioned in the very beginning of this, etc, then I honestly don't know how to help you, etc...
But will do my best to pray for you anyway, regardless of how disgusting and repulsive that might be to me, etc...
Anyway,
God Bless!
These can usually be put into one of two (or three) categories, etc...
Now if your actually having sexual thoughts about children all of the time, or look at inappropriate content that is of that nature, or have actually committed the act/crime, then I don't know how to really help you, etc, and don't know what should be done with you, etc, and those are two of the categories, etc...
But then there is "another category", etc...
In this category, they are not actually having sexual thoughts about children, and are not looking at inappropriate content of that nature, etc, and swear they could never even imagine themselves ever doing that or committing that act or that kind of act ever, etc, and that it's the absolute "furthest thing from them", etc, (cause that's not what it's really about, and we'll get to that in a second)...
In this category, they are simply just not around children very much, not exposed to them a whole lot, etc, don't know how to deal with them a lot, or how they should, etc, and they actually consider their interactions with children to be one of the most greatest and highest "responsibilities" on this entire planet, etc, and they are a bit "intimidated" by that, etc, and think not enough people take it seriously enough, or as seriously as they think they should, etc, don't feel the full weight and responsibility of it enough like they should, etc...
Some of these people would rather be full out engaged in combat in a horrible war on a battlefield, and on the frontlines, being shot at and shooting at other people, and people dying all around them everywhere, etc, then have to face the very great intimidation and fear they feel when dealing with children, etc...
They'd rather face almost anything else, etc...
Now maybe they dealt with children at one point in time (or maybe just never have much, etc) but maybe they either had children themselves at one point in time, and/or dealt with children before at one point in time before, and didn't feel this before, etc, and used to even maybe be actually pretty good at it, etc, but having not been being around them or dealing with them for so long now, are now have some of these feelings now, etc, again, not sexual thoughts or feelings about children, etc, but very great fear, and great dread, and intimidation and fear now, etc, and producing great extreme nervousness/anxiety, etc, when even the slightest possibility now comes up now of having to deal with children (again), etc...
Like I said, they'd rather be in a very great war on the frontlines of a battlefield, and in open battle and combat, etc, bullets flying and whizzing by and overhead, etc, people dying all around them, etc, then rather than have to deal or face the reality of dealing with children now, or again, etc...
I think this part or these kind can be "quote/unquote" "cured" though, most of the time just by being around and dealing with children on a regular basis and regularly again, etc, they often start to "relax" from those initial feelings, etc, and they usually begin to subside, with regular exposure on a regular basis again, etc...
They will probably still feel the heavy weight and responsibility of it, but they will learn to settle down and relax a bit, and realize it's not to be taken quite so seriously all of the time either, that children are stronger than they think, etc, but the panic and fears and anxieties will all start to subside and go down and go away if they were ever having to regularly deal with children on a regular basis again, etc, but might stay or stick around if they are not, etc, or until they are or were to again, etc, lack of experience, or lack of regular experiences with them, creates, or gives rise to the fear, etc...
But if you are in one of the two categories mentioned prior to all of this, that I just now mentioned or mentioned in the very beginning of this, etc, then I honestly don't know how to help you, etc...
But will do my best to pray for you anyway, regardless of how disgusting and repulsive that might be to me, etc...
Anyway,
God Bless!
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How can the church not forgive something?
Christ forgives all sins.. What right does the body of Christ have to over ride that?
I think that forgiveness should be given... however there are still earthly stipulations that need to be in place..
Like, incarceration through man's laws and their dept to society..Prison terms must be served.
Then... constant monitoring and regulating who they can and cannot be alone with and when they should be supervised..
A murderer or thief or drug dealer or whatever... is bound to the laws of their country and the punishment.
However, on a spiritual level.. we must forgive and support them in their struggle to deal with their issues. Even while they are serving their prison terms and parole or whatever.. Then.. they must add their name to the list of known offenders in order for society to be able to keep track of them.
But.......We cannot refuse to forgive if they are genuinely repentant...
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How pedophiles should be treated usually depends on ones view of the old testament and how the laws stand under the new covenant of Christ. If a person thinks all the ''old laws'' have been abolished does that mean murder,theft,adultery and other Levitical crimes are now legal? This takes discernment to determine what still stands and what has been made obsolete.
If we approach this scenario with the understanding children cannot consent then the adult/predator involved are in big trouble with God. Rapists were condemned to the death penalty via stoning,so one possibility is God would want a pedophiles head smashed in until they are dead for this capital crime and sin.
God exhibits his grace and mercy in his creation but he also shows his wrath and justice. Vessels of honour and vessels of dishonour.
If we approach this scenario with the understanding children cannot consent then the adult/predator involved are in big trouble with God. Rapists were condemned to the death penalty via stoning,so one possibility is God would want a pedophiles head smashed in until they are dead for this capital crime and sin.
God exhibits his grace and mercy in his creation but he also shows his wrath and justice. Vessels of honour and vessels of dishonour.
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I disagree that churches like that exist, so won't live in a fantasy land based on an idea.
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He (the OP) said all he was getting was "judgment", ect, and wanted something that could possibly "help", etc...
So, I gave him something that might or could possibly "help", etc...
Now I guess he needs to just know where he stands and/or falls on this spectrum, etc...
To know if it could truly possibly "help" or not, etc...
Great men, and even great women, (don't think for a minute that it all discrimnates by only gender only, etc) anyway, great men, and women, much of all of who could ever be said of being "great", etc, have, almost all of them, or alot of them, etc, have been plauged by this for centuries, and some got lost in the confusion of not knowing the truth, etc, and while this not true of all of them, maybe it can help some of them, etc, and clear up some of the confusion for some of them maybe, etc, for "some of them" anyway maybe, etc...
But all who have ever committed the act, or ever been guilty of the act, should always be subject to the full penalty of the law, etc...
And those who don't think they could/can handle it, or be around children, should probably not be around children, etc..
I also must tell you that I think much of the media, which I don't really engage in much anymore, etc, has a hidden agenda in breeding some of these people, or people like them and these, etc, one's who have gotten 100% completely lost already into any kind of true understanding of it, etc, but are pushing a very much directly opposed false narrative or understanding of it, etc, even trying to make it all perfectly OK, and understandable and something that is all perfectly natural and normal, etc, which is why I don't watch it anymore, etc...
Cause while they say their intentions are good, I don't think they really have a true understanding about some of them or some of it, etc, and the understanding they have is only breeding more and more of these people, through and by and using the media, and, in my opinion, could lead to the great downfall or destruction of us all, etc...
It's becoming a real serious problem and issue nowdays that I think a lot of the media is mostly to blame, etc, and some of the sick or very sick people behind them, etc...
I say "sick" becuase a lot of them have already "fallen" and gone the "completely wrong way", etc, and for them, there is no going back because they have already gone way, way past, "way, way past", etc, the "point of no return" already, etc, or already a "long, long time ago", etc...
And now are perpetuating their narative, or "normal" through and by and by using most of the media now, etc...
God Bless!
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I don't believe most pedophiles molest children. I think it's a bit like bisexuals often choose to live an heterosexual lifestyle. Pedophiles often hate their sexual attraction towards children. These guys need much support (those who suffer from it and hate their sexual orientation). Christ changes hearts and they can be set free.
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the basic definition of what is a mental illness woudl have to be radically changed to even begin to qualify it as a mental illness
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“This is an evil among all things that are done under the sun, that there is one event unto all: yea, also the heart of the sons of men is full of evil, and madness is in their heart while they live, and after that they go to the dead.” Ecclesiastes 9:3 (NCPB)
= all are crazy. It's not an excuse.
= all are crazy. It's not an excuse.
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Some mental illnesses started out as real true mental illnesses (and still are, etc) that had an uncomfortability around children, or being a little bit afraid, or nervous or anxious around children, etc, as just "one out of many of it's numerous side effects", etc...
But that also depends in the mental illness, etc...
They (some of them) are not necessarily true "pedophiles", etc...
And once or/and if ever they got around children on a "regular and consistent and constant basis again", etc, I think that would show, or show out, etc, or show that they really were/are not (true or truly true pedophiles, etc)... (But it was only because of something else going on with them, etc)...
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Anyway, also people who have just not had or been around children very much in their lives, and for the most part, have lived pretty single and solitary lives for a while or a long while now, etc, can sometimes have these problems and/or issues sometimes as well also, etc, but I don't know that all of them are "true pedophiles", etc, or are truly pedophiles, etc...
Just might be very inexperienced or afraid and/or anxious or nervous, etc, and I don't think we should just write them all off or lump them all together if that's all that it/this is, etc...
Cause if that is the case, and that's all this is, etc, that can most usually be pretty easily overcome, etc...
They (these ones, the latter, etc) just most of the time usually just need to "relax", and "chill", and take a chill pill, etc, and just "ease into it", etc, and hopefully, in time, and with a little bit more experience, get more use to it, etc...
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God Bless!
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Nothing is ever and excuse for doing and/committing that act against a child ever, etc, not ever, etc, no matter what it is or what's truly going on with you, or just whatever the hell is wrong with you, etc, no not ever, etc...
If you ever cross that line, then you have truly gone past the point of no return, and deserve to punished or severely punished, or subject to the full penalty of the law fully, etc...
God Bless!
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Whoa! I certainly think this is an evil - about as evil as it can get. However, an illness can also be evil. It is how one approaches repentance and acting on the evil.
That said, I am glad that God is merciful and loving. In the case of pedophilia I could and cannot be, it is a scourge and tests my limits of mercy and forgiveness.
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Same God, same rules. To believe it is otherwise is heresy, Marcionism.
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Are you even beginning to say that we are still under OT Law...?
Cause if that were or was the case "now", etc, or "even now", etc, we would all be dead a long time ago, and there would none of us at all even left alive anymore by this time, etc...
It is only by God's Grace and God's Grace only and alone (and Mercy, Love, Compassion, Forgiveness, etc) that any of us are even still even here, or are even still alive today, down to this very day, etc...
And "no offense", but I can't help but think that your kind of, or are in way spitting on that, etc...
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No, but this probably is not the thread to discuss the nuances of the Law, Grace, etc.
My issue was in the way the statement I quoted was written. On the face it looks like a claim that the "Old testament God" is different, since God is unchanging that cannot be the case.
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The same way you would approach a homosexual to cure them. The point is that if sexual orientation is something that cannot be changed (as some believe), pedophilia is no different. So to say someone can somehow "cure" a pedophile is to suggest homosexuality can be cured as well.
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