Trump supporter murdered in Portland

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The slain individual had no business being there, other than to stir up trouble. He certainly was not de-escalating the situation.

I blame Trump for stirring the pot and setting Americans against each other.

I read he was part of the Trump caravan. I don't know of any evidence he was "stirring up trouble".

Surely you believe he has every right to protest or support any cause or candidate he wants, right? The streets of Portland are public streets aren't they?
 
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They also started fist fights and drove through groups of protesters... using cars and fists to assault people is not peaceful.

This is all stuff you support when Antifa does it.

It doesn't justify murder.

Well said.
 
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Going to another city illegally armed to antagonize protesters doesn't seem like defense to me.

Going to another city to antagonize the citizenry doesn't seem like 'protest' to me.

He murdered two people.

He defended against his assailants in a 'mostly peaceful' manner. Other than his rifle, he was completely unarmed. * to use liberal MSM logic *

They also started fist fights and drove through groups of protesters... using cars and fists to assault people is not peaceful. It doesn't justify murder, but this murder is clearly the death of a violent gang member (Patriot Prayer is a violent gang) who went to start trouble in Portland.

How long did you think people would remain uncontested? Did you believe no one would react to defend themselves or their communities? Or is it that people think others actually care how they are viewed anymore, and those views and opinions of them are still swaying their actions... People have had enough. Pushback is inevitable at this point in time.
 
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Man part of group going around starting fights and shooting people with paint balls ends up dead, I wonder why. I guess I should make up posts about people kicking the hornet's nest and getting stung.

Same could be said about those rioters. Someone might not want to be their victim.
 
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Same could be said about those rioters. Someone might not want to be their victim.
Calling protesters rioters does not suddenly make them rioters. People driving through crowds, starting fist fights and shooting paint balls at protesters is not defense or “push back.” They are attempting to suppress protests against police violence and racial bias in policing, that’s the actual push back, people voicing their opinion in the street to demand government accountability.

Considering that most protesters are peaceful, it’s interesting to see people that like to cite “a few bad apples” try to define all protesters as rioters.

And going to someone else’s property with a gun and saying you’re protecting it is not defense. Looking for a fight is not defense.
 
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Calling protesters rioters does not suddenly make them rioters.

I really do not care about this opinion. Like at all. I do not care what the call themselves. Get off the streets and stop burning things, and looting stores.

People driving through crowds, starting fist fights and shooting paint balls at protesters is not defense or “push back.” They are attempting to suppress protests against police violence and racial bias in policing, that’s the actual push back, people voicing their opinion in the street to demand government accountability.

The intimidation tactics aren't working anymore. And no one is stupid enough to stop their vehicle inside one of these mobs anymore. You will get drug out of your car and beat into a hospital.

Considering that most protesters are peaceful, it’s interesting to see people that like to cite “a few bad apples” try to define all protesters as rioters.

And going to someone else’s property with a gun and saying you’re protecting it is not defense. Looking for a fight is not defense.

Again, I do not care. Get off the streets there will be no issues.
 
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Man part of group going around starting fights and shooting people with paint balls ends up dead, I wonder why. I guess I should make up posts about people kicking the hornet's nest and getting stung.

So does that mean when the left are throwing small bricks, frozen water bottles or pepper spraying people they deserve to be shot? Or do you believe rather people should show restraint?
 
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So does that mean when the left are throwing small bricks, frozen water bottles or pepper spraying people they deserve to be shot? Or do you believe rather people should show restraint?

I am of the understanding that only Trump supporters and/or Republicans are supposed to be concerned about such things. BLM and the like are supposed to be granted a free pass, for all actions. There is no personal accountability. Everything is someone else's fault.
 
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It isn't even 'permissible' to impend them in any way. Defund the police. Decry people protecting themselves. Refuse federal aid/assistance. This is just supposed to be allowed to continue. Whatever they want to do... they are POC they have permission.
 
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Lets remember... as exemplified in this clip, the dinners sitting at the tables, or people wanting to put gas in the car are big meanies. They are at fault for being white, and not doing as instructed by the polite peaceful protesters. Not a single one of those racist white bigots need to feel in fear, or that they need to defend themselves. That's just racist. Don be confrontational, just accept a mob of people in your face with grace, and good demeanor. That way you will be de-escalating the situation, and not being divisive against this peacefully loving movement. :)


This is called 'satire'.
 
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I am of the understanding that only Trump supporters and/or Republicans are supposed to be concerned about such things. BLM and the like are supposed to be granted a free pass, for all actions. There is no personal accountability. Everything is someone else's fault.
Despite people hating the "Oh, so you got a black friend that says something", I have many blacks friends and one black aunt.

I won't go into detail because I don't want to offend anyone. But the majority of my blacks friends (and my aunt) say yes racism exists. But they also say many blacks are raised with grandparents and parents who essentially teach their kids/grandkids that they cannot make it anywhere in life, cops are bad, white people hate you...etc. In other words what happens in your life is someone elses fault. In other words instead of encouragement, they get the opposite.

My aunt herself is, and these are her words "A polish jamaican hillbilly". She was raised in poverty in West Virginia. However her parents and grandparents were always positive, always encouraging. She says it makes a difference in your life when you are raised this way.

And she taught her kids the same, I grew up with her daughter mind you. They never feared police. They never felt like white people hated them. They never blamed anyone. She also notes she feels the fact that most black families have a father that is not in the picture also causes issues.

Does this mean your life will be perfect? That you won't face obstacles? Of course not. My friend I grew up with who is black said whenever he sees a story of a black man being killed by cops, he never understands why the person didn't simply comply. For example if a cop pulls you over. Put your hands on the wheel, give them the license when they ask...etc. You get your ticket (maybe a warning)...etc and drive off.

Of course like most of us he agrees that cops use of deadly force is wrong, but he still blames the victim for putting themselves in that situation. Now he's only 26 and said he's only ever been pulled over twice. He had no issues. He was also adopted by white parents when he was 7. If that makes any diffrence.
 
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I really do not care about this opinion. Like at all. I do not care what the call themselves. Get off the streets and stop burning things, and looting stores.
I think that if the looting and burning stops, they shouldn't have to get off the streets. After all, there's a right to demonstrate peacefully, isn't there?
 
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Fatal shooting in Portland as Trump supporters confront BLM protesters



I can't post it here, but there is video that shows him being shot right after someone says "Hey! We got a Trumper right here!" Then it appears that the gunman says "right here?" And then shoots the man. It's the headline at Dailywire.com, and the video is in that article.


I'm sorry, but that caption is garbage. The cadence of what they're saying doesn't even match what's written. "We got another right here" and "Right here" are easy enough to make out, but everything in between, including the bit about "Trumper" is unintelligible. I'm running the audio through iZotope RX right now and nothing even sounds like the word "Trumper", regardless of what Andy Ngo or whomever claims. My best guess for what they're saying is:

"We got another right here."
"Eh?"
"Close it up" (or "Close enough")
"Right here"
*gunshots*
 
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I think that if the looting and burning stops, they shouldn't have to get off the streets. After all, there's a right to demonstrate peacefully, isn't there?

But that's not happening. I will not justify or validate this argument. They are out there to to intimidate and forcefully push their political ideology.

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And this mandatory group think intolerant of any other line of thought or opinion?:

fascism
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NOUN

(in general use) extreme authoritarian, oppressive, or intolerant views or practices.
 
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Kyle Rittenhouse defended his life.

Like I said. The Portland killing of a counterprotester was self-defense, and he did nothing wrong. Until I hear an unequivocal condemnation of killing BLM protesters from Trump and Trump supporters, that will be my answer, and I'm sticking to it.
 
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Like I said. The Portland killing of a counterprotester was self-defense, and he did nothing wrong. Until I hear an unequivocal condemnation of killing BLM protesters from Trump and Trump supporters, that will be my answer, and I'm sticking to it.

Good... you have an opinion. And why would I care if you change it? Have fun...
 
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