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You won't be the first to be removed from Israel and you won't get another shot.

What if a door was opened, that no man can shut?

*Revelation 3
"9Look at those who belong to the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews but are liars instead. I will make them come and bow down at your feet, and they will know that I love you. 10Because you have kept My command to endure with patience, I will also keep you from the hour of testing that is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth. 11I am coming soon. Hold fast to what you have, so that no one will take your crown.
 
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What if a door was opened, that no man can shut?

*Revelation 3
"9Look at those who belong to the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews but are liars instead. I will make them come and bow down at your feet, and they will know that I love you. 10Because you have kept My command to endure with patience, I will also keep you from the hour of testing that is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth. 11I am coming soon. Hold fast to what you have, so that no one will take your crown.

If you want to give it a shot, you go right ahead.
But wait for the gentile military from the north to arrive in Israel. Should be in the next year or so.
That is when the tribulation begins for Israel's saints.
 
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If you want to give it a shot, you go right ahead.
But wait for the gentile military from the north to arrive in Israel. Should be in the next year or so.
That is when the tribulation begins for Israel's saints.


Yah will have to give me wings as eagles, as I do not have the means.


Isaiah 40
"31But those who wait upon the LORD will renew their strength; they will mount up with wings like eagles; they will run and not grow weary; they will walk and not faint."

So, I wait.
 
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Isaiah 41
"But you, O Israel, My servant, Jacob, whom I have chosen, descendant of Abraham My friend— 9I brought you from the ends of the earth and called you from its farthest corners. I said, “You are My servant.” I have chosen and not rejected you. 10Do not fear, for I am with you; do not be afraid, for I am your God. I will strengthen you; I will surely help you; I will uphold you with My right hand of righteousness. 11Behold, all who rage against you will be ashamed and disgraced; those who contend with you will be reduced to nothing and will perish. 12You will seek them but will not find them. Those who wage war against you will come to nothing. 13For I am the LORD your God, who takes hold of your right hand and tells you: Do not fear, I will help you. 14Do not fear, O worm of Jacob, O few men of Israel. I will help you,” declares the LORD. “Your Redeemer is the Holy One of Israel. 15Behold, I will make you into a threshing sledge, new and sharp, with many teeth. You will thresh the mountains and crush them, and reduce the hills to chaff. 16You will winnow them, and a wind will carry them away; a gale will scatter them. But you will rejoice in the LORD; you will glory in the Holy One of Israel."
 
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1 Peter 4:17. .


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The CONTEXT of 1 Peter 4:17-18
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17 For the time is come that Judgment must BEGIN
at the House of God



The "House of God" represents the "church" consisting of
BOTH saved "wheat" (sown by God) and unsaved "tares"
(sown by Satan). This is shown by the use of the words

"us" and "them".


and if it [God's Judgment] FIRST begin with us [saved "wheat"]
what shall the end be of them that obey not the Gospel of God
[the unsaved "tares"]


18 And if the righteous [the saved "wheat"] scarcely be saved,
where shall the ungodly and the sinner [unsaved "tares"] appear?


While the Judgment of God is always on the church during the
New Testament "Kingdom of Heaven" (as seen in Revelation
chapters 2 & 3 and in the first four (4) Trumpets of Rev 8:7-12,
as the saints are represented by the "one third" in these verses...

Ultimately, this prophecy is fulfilled by the LAST "wheat and tares"
in the (4th) Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 25:1],
which BEGINS with the Fifth Trumpet [Rev 9:1] where the Last
"wheat" are Judged, and then the Sixth Trumpet [Rev 9:12-13]
as the Last "tares" are Judged.

It's very important to remember the Last "wheat and tares"
are represented as the "ten virgins" [of Mat 25:1-13] who
"went forth" from the Christian "Kingdom" into the Great

Tribulation "Kingdom"... as they followed the "Little Horn"
or the Anti-Christ AFTER Satan was "loosened".

These ten "virgins" of Matthew 25 are the SAME people
as the ten "kings/horns" that follow the "Little Horn" [Dan 7] and
as the ten "kings/horns" that "agree to give their "Kingdom"
to the [Revelation] Beast [Rev 17:12-13 and 17:17].

In other words; the Last "wheat and tares", are shown as the
the ten "virgins/kings/horns" living during the Fourth "Kingdom"
[aka, Revelation Beast] are Judged during the Great Tribulation
"Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 25:1]

Let me make the very clear: Daniel's Fourth "Kingdom" aka the
Revelation Beast, aka the Great Tribulation, and aka the REIGN
of the Anti-Christ during Satan's "Little Season" is EXCLUSIVE
to the experiences of the ten "virgins/kings/horns".


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Note: After the Great Commission is finished
(when all the "sheep" are found and saved)
Then God brings Judgment on the world,
The process follows this pattern:

(1) First God brings Judgment on "the House of God"

(2) The Last Saints (wise virgins of Mat 25:1-13) are Judged
during the First Beast/First Woe/Fifth Trumpet.

(3) The Last of the unsaved "tares" (foolish virgins) are Judged
during the Second Beast/Second Woe/Sixth Trumpet.

(4) The Last Saints are called to "Come-up Here" BEFORE
the Second Woe is finished (this is important)

(5) God brings Judgment on those who are OUTSIDE of
the "House of God" (the unsaved people of the world)

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It's getting late (here in Seattle) so I will need to answer
your second question (what do the Last Saints preach)
in the morning

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God’s covenant with Abraham and his descendants (or seed) structures the relationship between Yahweh and His people. Through Abraham and his descendants God intends to bring blessing and salvation to all the nations on earth, in other words to the entire human race. This purpose is stated first to Abraham (Gen 12:3; 22:18), and is repeated to his son, Isaac (Gen 26:4), and to Isaac’s son, Jacob (Gen 28:14). Of special significance is the expression “in your seed shall all nations of the earth be blessed,” which is interpreted by the apostle Paul to refer to one seed, namely Christ (Gal 3:16). However, it is evident from Galatians 3:26-29 that the covenant promise of blessing applies to all who through faith in Christ are counted as seed of Abraham. In Christ they all are one (vs. 28) and are accepted as children of God. In and through Christ the purpose of the everlasting covenant with Abraham is realized.

So do you believe the Israel of God is just the Jewish nation in the middle east? Or is it ALL of the people who enter a covenant with God?
 
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Why would Abraham want the eternal to come were sickness and war thrive instead?
 
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Try to grasp this.
This is the word of God. It's not my word or your word. This is God's word and it is fact.

Genesis 17:8 KJV: And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.

Now according to what your saying, Abraham doesn't want the land promised to him by God. And perhaps you believe God wasn't bei g completely honest here. But if you know God as I know God then you would know Abraham and his seed shall receive every square inch of the estate God promised him. And I don't believe Abraham is going to turn down such a generous gift from God.

Now, as we are taught, Abraham believed God and it was accounted to him as righteousness.
Why do you have such a hard time believing God?

Genesis 17:8 KJV: And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.

As for your question concerning the world passing away. Like the days of Noah so shall the coming of Christ.
Noah was still on the earth after the flood.
Everything else may have been removed.But not Noah.
Many miss God not knowing he uses physical symbols to teach spiritual truth. How can Abraham's promises ever apply to a world not capable of sustaining them?
 
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Nonsense, utter nonsense.
The beast is already in the promised land with the tribulation saints. You just can't seem to fiqure it out. It's not about the entire world. This is about God and Israel. If you didn't have the need to include yourself in everything you might see things alittle more clearly. It's not all about you Keras.

I'm sorry to have to break the bad news to you, your not one of those tribulation saints. But if it makes you feel any better, neither am I.
I find it difficult to believe that those who Christ shed His blood to purchase and who belong to Him, are totally out of any picture. Israel consists not only of Jews who believe in Jesus - it consists only of Jews and Gentiles who believe in Jesus. The rest are not part of Israel until Judah shows Joseph his repentance and brings forth evidence that he has repented. (Notice the Biblical type).

The New Covenant was promised to the house of Israel and the house of Judah. The house of Israel was scattered among the nations and their seed intermarried with Gentiles to the point where the house of Israel are untraceable today - and this is what was said by God regarding Ephraim (the house of Israel):

As He also says in Hosea, "I will call those not My people, My people; and those not beloved, Beloved." And it shall be, in the place where it was said to them. "You are not My people"; there they shall be called sons of the living God." (Romans 9:25-26; Hosea 1:9-10).

Then shall the children of Judah and the children of Israel be gathered together, and appoint themselves one head, and they shall come up out of the land: for great shall be the day of Jezreel. Hosea 1:11
 
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Can you find ONE VERSE in the Bible that contradicts
anything said here?

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Rev:17:8
The Beast that thou saw was, and is not; and shall ascend
out of the Bottomless Pit, and go into Perdition: and they
[the Foolish Virgins of the 4th Beast] that dwell on the earth
[during the Great tribulation] shall wonder, whose name
were not written in the Book of Life from the foundation
of the world, when they behold the Beast that was,
and is not, and yet is [when the Revelations Beast arises].


The Beast (Kingdom) that John saw "was" because Satan's
spiritual Kingdom "was" ruling before being "bound" at the Cross.
The Beast "is not" because Satan's Kingdom had been "bound" in
the Bottomless Pit during the time John was seeing the vision...
during the Great Commission of the Christian Kingdom.


The same Beast (the same Kingdom) will "ascend out of the
Bottomless Pit" at the sound of the 5th Trumpet
(also the "1st Woe"). [Rev 9:1]


The same Kingdom of Satan (the same 7-Headed Beast)
will "go into Perdition" at the end of the "2nd Woe"
as Satan's Kingdom (represented by the Revelation Beast)
is "given unto the Burning Flame" [Dan 7:12] and/or
"cast alive into the Lake-of-Fire" [Rev 19:20].


The Beast that "was" represents the Kingdom of Satan
during Daniel's (1st) Pre-Flood Kingdom and during the
(2nd) Jewish Kingdom.


The Beast that "is not" represents the Kingdom of Satan
during the (3rd) Christian Kingdom - while Satan was "bound"
in the Bottomless Pit.


The Beast "ascending" out of the Bottomless Pit represents
the Kingdom of Satan during the "1st Woe" or "Fifth Trumpet"
or FIRST Revelation Beast.


And the Beast that "goes into Perdition" is the Kingdom
of Satan as it's destroyed after the "2nd Woe", when the
Fourth Beast, the "Kingdom of Babylon", is Judged by God
and "cast alive" into eternal torment of the "Burning Flame"
or "Lake-of-Fire".


Rev 17:9
And here is the mind which hath wisdom, The SEVEN HEADS
are seven Mountains [seven Kings/Kingdoms] on which the
Woman [Babylon] sitteth [rules over]. 10 And there are
Seven Kings; FIVE ARE FALLEN, AND ONE IS, and the
other [the Seventh King] is not yet come: [is still a future
event after John's vision] and when he comes he must
continue for a SHORT SPACE [aka, Satan's "Little Season"].


The SEVEN HEADS on the Revelations Beast (ruled by the
"harlot" Babylon) represent seven "Kings" and/or "Mountains".
These Kings are also shown as the SEVEN HEADS of Daniel's
four Kingdoms.


They are one head/king from Daniel's (1st) Pre-Flood Kingdom (Lion),
another head/king of Daniel's (2nd) Jewish Kingdom (Bear).
It includes four "heads/kings" from Daniel's (3rd) Christian Kingdom
(Leopard) and the last head/king is from the (4th) Great Tribulation
Kingdom... namely, the Anti-Christ ("Little Horn" or "False Prophet"),
for a total of seven "Heads", seven "Kings", seven "Mountains".


Five Kings "are fallen" because (when the Apostle John saw
the vision) the head/king from Daniel's (1st) Pre-Flood Kingdom
and the head/king from Daniel's (2nd) Jewish Kingdom were both
"fallen". In addition, three (out of the four) heads/kings from
Daniel's (3rd) Christian Kingdom were also "fallen"... for a total
of FIVE FALLEN KINGS. The last remaining head/king of the
New Testament Kingdom had not yet "fallen" because the
last head/king in the (3rd) Christian Kingdom was also the
author of the Book of Revelation, the Apostle John.


The one King that "is not yet come" [Rev 17:10] is the
"Little Horn" or "False Prophet" of the (4th) Great Tribulation
"Kingdom of Heaven". This is the Seventh "King" that arises
after the "testimony" of the Two Witnesses was "finished"
(after the Great Commission), when Satan is "loosened"
from the Bottomless Pit and given spiritual "dominion"
over the "Wise Virgins" during the "1st Woe".


It's the Seventh King that led the "Ten Virgins" out of the
(3rd) Christian "Kingdom of Heaven", as we "went forth"
into the (4th) Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven".
It's the Seventh King that "overcomes" and then "kills"
the Saints during the Reign of the First Revelation "Beast".
However, the Seventh King only "continues a short space"
[Rev 17:10]. The Seventh King suffers an apparently fatal
wound at the END of the "1st Woe". But later he's resurrected
as the EIGHTH "King"... during the "2nd Woe" or Sixth Trumpet.


Rev 17:11 And the Beast that was, and is not, even he
is THE EIGHTH, and is OF THE SEVEN, and [the Eighth
Head/King] goeth into Perdition.


The EIGHTH King of the Revelations Beast is "of the seven"
because that King is the same "False Prophet" (the 7th King)
after he has been 'resurrected' from his near fatal "wound",
suffered at the end of the "1st Woe". The Eighth King is the
same False Prophet ruling over the First Revelations Beast.
This shows the Fourth Kingdom during the 6th Trumpet
(the "2nd Woe").


It is this Eighth King that made everyone (living in the
4th Kingdom) worship the "image" of the First Beast.
It was this Eighth King that caused everyone (in the
4th Beast) to take the "Mark of the Beast". It was
this Eighth King that was cast alive into the "Burning Flame"
or "Lake-of-Fire" at the end of the 4th Kingdom - as the
Eighth King "goeth into Perdition".


The "Mystery of Babylon" is a New Testament Commentary
on Daniel's Four Kingdoms... from the standpoint of the Apostle
John (the last of four New Testament "Kings"), living before the
Great Commission was finished - and before Satan is "loosened"
from the Bottomless Pit and given "dominion" to rule (through
his chief emissary the Anti-Christ) during the Great Tribulation
"Kingdom of Heaven".


These are SOME of the "closed-up" and "sealed" Biblical
mysteries the Bible PROMISED the Last Saints on earth
"shall understand" [Dan 12:4 and 12:8-10] and SOME
of the Biblical mysteries the Bible PROMISED the Last
Saints would "prophesy again" as the Seventh Trumpet
"begins to sound".


Rev 10:7
But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel,
when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God
should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants
the prophets. [this is the prophecy of the Last Saints]

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You know, I find it very difficult to read what others are saying in a thread that wasn't even created by you, because of your many, many long, long, long "dissertations" (if one could call them that) - ALL of which are based upon an erroneous foundation in your understanding of God's Revelation regarding the first resurrection and when it takes place, and the thousand years.

You will turn around and complain as you did to me in the previous thread why I don't waste time spending hours answering all your eisegesis of scripture based upon your erroneous foundation.

I can't tell you to shorten your posts, but honestly I wish you would, because it's annoying having to scroll down and scroll down and scroll down just to be able read what others say who have more substance in their posts. It would be different if was a thread you yourself created.

Are you deliberately hijacking this thread? Or is your monologue usual?
 
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This is bible truth. This is the everlasting covenant. Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob never recieved the promise, so one would think it would be fulfilled in the earth made anew.

Hebrews 11:9-10,13-16
[9]By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
[10]For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
[13]These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
[14]For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.
[15]And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
[16]But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
The inheritance is Christ's:

Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. Galatians 3:16

Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter’s vessel.


Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth. (Psalm 2:8-10)

And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. (Revelation 12:5)


And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.


Jesus answered, "My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now (Greek, nun: "Of present time:) is my kingdom not from hence." (John 18:36)


Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now (Greek, nun: "Of present time) we see not yet all things put under him. (Hebrews 2:8)


And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. (Revelation 11:15)


Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 1 Corinthians 15:24-25


Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now (Greek, nun: "Of present time) we see not yet all things put under him. (Hebrews 2:8)


Jesus answered, "My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now (Greek, nun: "Of present time:) is my kingdom not from hence." (John 18:36)
 
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Those tribes are not all Jews. Where's Ehpraim? Is the second group not Ephraim or "the house of Israel", which = all the ones in the first group except Judah and Benjamin?
 
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Isaiah 41
"But you, O Israel, My servant, Jacob, whom I have chosen, descendant of Abraham My friend— 9I brought you from the ends of the earth and called you from its farthest corners. I said, “You are My servant.” I have chosen and not rejected you. 10Do not fear, for I am with you; do not be afraid, for I am your God. I will strengthen you; I will surely help you; I will uphold you with My right hand of righteousness. 11Behold, all who rage against you will be ashamed and disgraced; those who contend with you will be reduced to nothing and will perish. 12You will seek them but will not find them. Those who wage war against you will come to nothing. 13For I am the LORD your God, who takes hold of your right hand and tells you: Do not fear, I will help you. 14Do not fear, O worm of Jacob, O few men of Israel. I will help you,” declares the LORD. “Your Redeemer is the Holy One of Israel. 15Behold, I will make you into a threshing sledge, new and sharp, with many teeth. You will thresh the mountains and crush them, and reduce the hills to chaff. 16You will winnow them, and a wind will carry them away; a gale will scatter them. But you will rejoice in the LORD; you will glory in the Holy One of Israel."
Isaiah 41 is one of many. Revelation 20 is another one.
 
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I'll be praying for you if I'm not running and hiding from being forced to get some or other mark - but then again - could it be that the beast rising from the earth which has two horns like a lamb is a symbolic reference to a "Messianic kingdom" called Israel who's political and religious Messiah figures (two horns like a lamb) are not the Messiah?

I'm not saying it is - but it should be noted that it's this beast with two horns like a lamb that rises from the earth causes those dwelling on the earth to either receive that mark or be killed - and that image is an image of the first beast that rises from the sea.
 
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Yes, if we present the Bible as our Constitution there would be repercussions.

Many of the principles in the US Constitution come from biblical principles (those than address our relationship with one another as citizens ... when it becomes a problem ... is when a State government power unites with a religious power and they govern together and no we do not want that.
 
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So do you believe the Israel of God is just the Jewish nation in the middle east? Or is it ALL of the people who enter a covenant with God?

So do you believe the Israel of God is just the Jewish nation in the middle east?

I do not.

All people (believers) for all time who entered/enters into covenant with God the same way ..... through faith. (faith in the seed to come - faith in Jesus)

Physical Israel has a rich and important history and were a nation that the Lord worked through ... their lineage was through which our savior came. After Messiah came (in the flesh) everything became spiritual ... everyone who believes are counted for the seed ... and that seed is Christ.

Galatians 3

26You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed and heirs according to the promise.
 
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I'll be praying for you if I'm not running and hiding from being forced to get some or other mark - but then again - could it be that the beast rising from the earth which has two horns like a lamb is a symbolic reference to a "Messianic kingdom" called Israel who's political and religious Messiah figures (two horns like a lamb) are not the Messiah?

I'm not saying it is - but it should be noted that it's this beast with two horns like a lamb that rises from the earth causes those dwelling on the earth to either receive that mark or be killed - and that image is an image of the first beast that rises from the sea.


You mean some faction of Messianic Judaism...or a faction from the Hebrew Roots Movement, such as I myself lean towards?

I am apolitical myself, so I do not box myself into any particular organization.


*Seems like every movement that rises up usually does so out of need and comes at a time that is optimal for correcting some grievous error within "Churchianity". But, then, inevitably, blood is shed as this once humble movement forgets its reason for being.
 
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