Why do you feel a NEED for theistic evolution?

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WOULD THAT INCLUDE CALLING CHRIST A LIAR WHILE "ACCEPTING
HIM AS LORD AND FOLLOWING HIM"? LOL PRETTY INSANE ISNT IT?

I'm not saying you're calling Christ a liar. I'm just noting that you aren't willing to accept His creation as it is.

If Genesis is allegorical and not true

As you learned, it's allegorical and true. Remember when I showed you that there can be allegories about real people and true events? This is one of them.
 
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I think maybe it would be good for you do get back to your premise of evolution, find some evidence that supports your beliefs, and show that to us. You seem to be losing focus here, except for that point about scientists designing self-replicating systems. That had some relevance.

"I think maybe it would be good for you do get back to your premise of evolution, find some evidence that supports your beliefs, and show that to us."

I DONT REQUIRE THAT TAXPAYERS PAY FOR GENESIS TO BE TAUGHT TO ALL KIDS IN ALL PUBLIC SCHOOL BIOLOGY CLASS.... I DONT NEED TO PROVIDE EVIDENCE FOR CREATIONISM... YOU HAVE IT BACKWARDS AGAIN IT IS YOU WHO NEED TO PROVIDE SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THE FAIRYTALE OF EVOLUTION, WHICH CLEARLY STATES THAT ALL FLORA AND FAUNA ON EARTH DESCENDED FROM A SINGLE COMMON ANCESTOR, IS SOMEHOW SCIENTIFIC.. SO FAR YOU HAVE NOT PROVIDED A SINGLE EXAMPLE TO SUPPORT YOUR CLAIMS THAT EVOLUTION (UCA FOR ALL FLORA AND FAUNA) IS TRUE..


MY CLAIM (ALL LIVING CREATURES BRING FORTH AFTER THEIR KIND) CONFORMS TO THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD.. MY CLAIM IS PART OF EMPIRICAL SCIENCE.. MY CLAIM IS OBSERVABLE, EXPERIMENTAL, TESTABLE, VERIFIABLE, REPEATABLE AND FALISFIABLE....

YOUR CLAIM, THAT ALL LIVING THINGS DESCENDED FROM THE SAME COMMON ANCESTOR DOES NOT CONFORM TO THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD... AT ALL!!!!!!!!…….

YOU NEED TO LEARN ABOUT SOMETHING CALLED THE "BURDEN OF PROOF" EVOLUTIONIST..
 
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I'm not saying you're calling Christ a liar. I'm just noting that you aren't willing to accept His creation as it is.



As you learned, it's allegorical and true. Remember when I showed you that there can be allegories about real people and true events? This is one of them.


"I'm not saying you're calling Christ a liar."

I KNOW, BECAUSE IM NOT...

HOWEVER..

IM SAYING THAT YOU ARE.. GET THE IDEA?


Christ’s Credibility
by ctf@creationtruth.com · March 22, 2018


In Jeremiah 2:26-27, God says through His prophet, “26 As a thief is shamed when he is discovered, so the house of Israel is shamed; they, their kings, their princes and their priests and their prophets, 27 who say to a tree, ‘You are my father,’ and to a stone, ‘You gave me birth.’ For they have turned their back to Me, and not their face; but in the time of their trouble they will say, ‘Arise and save us.’”

The “priests and prophets” of our day [church leadership] who hold to any of the religious doctrines of evolution (including naturalism, transmutation of species, or millions of years) should be “shamed” for their rejection of God’s Word, for in doing so they attack the very deity of Jesus.
In Matthew 19:4-5, Jesus asks, “4 Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE, 5 and said ‘FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER AND BE JOINED TO HIS WIFE, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH?’”

Here Jesus quotes Genesis 1:27 and 2:24 (also in Mark 10). He states as a fact that God made them male and female at “the beginning”. The beginning of what? Human evolution millions of years ago? That’s not what He said. Jesus confirms unequivocally a day six creation of the first man and woman, thereby annulling any possibility of a universe billions of years old.
Jesus also speaks of a literal, historical Abel in Luke 11:50-51, as well as a literal, historical Noah and global flood in Matthew 24:38-39.

In just three quotes, Jesus confirms the historical truths of Genesis 1-9. To deny Genesis as literal history is to not only deny Christ’s credibility, but the very deity of Jesus! It also denies the inspiration of the New Testament as Genesis 1-11 are referenced over 100 times! For example, Adam is mentioned by name 9 times, Eve 2 times, Cain 3 times, Abel 4 times, Seth 1 time, Enoch 3 times, Noah 8 times, and the Flood 4 times.

If Genesis is allegorical and not true, then the New Testament must also be allegorical and not true. After all, this was Charles Darwin’s conclusion.

Darwin wrote in his autobiography, “I had gradually come, by this time to see that the Old Testament, from its manifestly fake history of the world…was no more to be trusted than the sacred books of the Hindus, or the beliefs of any barbarian.” He therefore concluded, “I can indeed hardly see how anyone ought to wish Christianity to be true, for it is so plain the language of the text [New Testament] seems to show that the men who do not believe…will be everlastingly punished” (Autobiography, NY 1969 ed. p. 87).

Rather than follow the wisdom of men, may we and the leaders of our churches heed the words of our Creator, “But the LORD is the true God; He is the living God and the everlasting King…It is He who made the earth by His power, who established the world by His wisdom” (Jeremiah 10:10,12).
 
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NOPE NOTHING WAS CREATED,,,

God created everything. You didn't know that?

"Humans have to design because they are not omnipotent."
MAKES ZERO SENSE

Makes perfect sense. An omnipotent God has no need to figure anything out. Being eternal, He already knows all things. He's no mere "designer"; He is the Creator.

BIZARRE IN THE EXTREME TO SEE A SO CALLED "THEIST"
ARGUING AGAINST DESIGN IN NATURE...

As you see, it's not mere design. It's creation. You're uncomfortable with a God that wise and powerful, so you deny creation, by claiming that "nothing was created." But it was, from the very beginning:

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created heaven, and earth.

INCREDIBLE!!

Not to a Christian.
 
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I'm not saying you're calling Christ a liar. I'm just noting that you aren't willing to accept His creation as it is.



As you learned, it's allegorical and true. Remember when I showed you that there can be allegories about real people and true events? This is one of them.


If Genesis is allegorical and not true

"As you learned, it's allegorical and true."

NO WONDER YOU PEOPLE ARE CALLED "OVAL-EARTHERS" LOL

Definition of ALLEGORY

Allegory is a more or less symbolic fictional narrative that conveys a secondary meaning (or meanings) not explicitly set forth in the literal narrative. Parables, myths, and fables are all considered types of allegories.

"FICTIONAL" "MYTHS" "FABLES" (BUT ALSO TRUE) LOL YUP.. OVAL-EARTHERISM ON FULL DISPLAY (UGLY TO SEE)

KIND OF LIKE THE RED BLOOD CELLS FOUND IN DINOSAUR TISSUE.. THEY ARENT REALLY RED BLOOD CELLS.. (EVEN THOUGH EVERYONE CAN PLAINLY SEE THEM WITH THEIR OWN EYES....

Young Earth Evidence: Rapidly Perishing Detail Preserved

rapid-fossils-dino-blood-cells.jpg



"Remember when I showed you that there can be allegories about real people and true events? This is one of them."


SURE IT IS CHAMP.. SURE IT IS..

Jesus said "51from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah, who was killed between the altar and the sanctuary. Yes, I tell you, all of it will be charged to this generation. 52Woe to you experts in the law! For you have taken away the key to knowledge. You yourselves have not entered, and you have hindered those who were entering.”…Luke 11
 
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God created everything. You didn't know that?



Makes perfect sense. An omnipotent God has no need to figure anything out. Being eternal, He already knows all things. He's no mere "designer"; He is the Creator.



As you see, it's not mere design. It's creation. You're uncomfortable with a God that wise and powerful, so you deny creation, by claiming that "nothing was created." But it was, from the very beginning:

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created heaven, and earth.



Not to a Christian.


"He's no mere "designer"; He is the Creator."

HE IS BOTH.. IVE ALREADY TOLD YOU SO.. YOU SHOULD BELIEVE IT
 
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The so called "fossil record" (Dead Articulated Petrified Creatures found in the ground) ONLY makes sense if the Bible is true and there was a worldwide flood as described in Genesis!

Nope. The Bible is true; you just don't want to accept it as God wrote it. As you know, your fellow YE creationists admit that the fossil record presents problems for a worldwide flood, problems that have not yet been adequately explained. Would you like me to show you that, again?

Because creationist palaeontology is not in the state necessary to properly address the traditional transitional forms issue, the traditional transitional forms issue is not of the highest priority in creationist palaeontology. Since proper evaluation of the traditional transitional forms issue would divert substantial resources away from other tasks, it is not an efficient use of creationist resources to address the traditional transitional forms issue at this point in time.
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At this point in time, the largest challenge from the stratomorphic intermediate record appears to this author to come from the fossil record of the whales. There is a strong stratigraphic series of archaeocete genera claimed by Gingerich60(Ambulocetus, Rhodocetus, and Prozeuglodon[or the similar-aged Basilosaurus]61) followed on the one hand by modern mysticetes,62 and on the other hand by the family Squalodontidae and then modern odontocetes.63 That same series is also a morphological series: Ambulocetuswith the largest hind legs;64-66 Rhodocetus with hindlegs one- third smaller;67Prozeuglodon with 6 inch hindlegs;68 and the remaining whales with virtually no to no hind legs: toothed mysticetes before non-toothed baleen whales;69 the squalodontid odontocetes with telescoped skull but triangular teeth;70 and the modern odontocetes with telescoped skulls and conical teeth. This series of fossils is thus a very powerful stratomorphic series. Because the land mammal-to-whale transition (theorized by macroevolutionary theory and evidenced by the fossil record) is a land-to-sea transition, the relative order of land mammals, archaeocetes, and modern whales is not explainable in the conventional Flood geology method (transgressing Flood waters). Furthermore, whale fossils are only known in Cenozoic (and thus post-Flood) sediments.71 This seems to run counter to the intuitive expectation that the whales should have been found in or even throughout Flood sediments. At present creation theory has no good explanation for the fossil record of whales.
Dr. Kurt Wise
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/0e4d/0ab89242a5ddc40a8a74fc53361861fbcabf.pdf

Barbarian notes that many rocks have traces of C-14:

[QUOTE ]THEN THEY NEED TO THROW OUT THE WHOLE RADIOMETRIC DATING MYTH THAT THEY HAVE BEEN SCAMMING THE PUBLIC WITH FOR DECADES!!!![/QUOTE]

Paleontologists don't even use C-14 normally, because it has far too short a half-life to be useful in almost all cases. I thought you knew.

"Evolution is a fact."

I guess we get to play the dishonest Darwinian game of semantics.

As you know, there is a very precise definition for biological evolution. Do you remember what it is?

"Change in allele frequency in a population over time." Which, as you learned, is directly observed. You are objecting not to evolution, but to a consequence of evolution, e.g. common descent.







 
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God created everything. You didn't know that?



Makes perfect sense. An omnipotent God has no need to figure anything out. Being eternal, He already knows all things. He's no mere "designer"; He is the Creator.



As you see, it's not mere design. It's creation. You're uncomfortable with a God that wise and powerful, so you deny creation, by claiming that "nothing was created." But it was, from the very beginning:

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created heaven, and earth.



Not to a Christian.




"I just showed you an example of a human-designed self-replicating system."

NOPE NOTHING WAS CREATED,,,

"You're uncomfortable with a God that wise and powerful, so you deny creation,


NOPE MORE LIES.. I SAID THAT YOUR EXAMPLE OF MAN COMBINING ALREADY EXISTING BIOLOGICAL LIFE FORMS BY MANIPULATING PRE EXISTING LIFE IS NOT CREATING ANYTHING.. IT IS NOT..

BUT YOU DISHONESTLY PORTRAY ME AS CLAIMING THAT GOD DIDNT CREATE EVERYTHING..


WHY DO THE MONITORS ALLOW YOU TO GET AWAY WITH SUCH BLATANT DISHONESTY?
 
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Definition of ALLEGORY

Allegory is a more or less symbolic fictional narrative that conveys a secondary meaning (or meanings) not explicitly set forth in the literal narrative. Parables, myths, and fables are all considered types of allegories.

No, that's wrong:

Galatians 4:22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, eone by a slave woman and fone by a free woman. 23 But gthe son of the slave was born according to the flesh, while hthe son of the free woman was born through promise. 24 Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two icovenants.

Real people and real events, but also an allegory. Like the Genesis story.
 
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Nope. The Bible is true; you just don't want to accept it as God wrote it. As you know, your fellow YE creationists admit that the fossil record presents problems for a worldwide flood, problems that have not yet been adequately explained. Would you like me to show you that, again?

Because creationist palaeontology is not in the state necessary to properly address the traditional transitional forms issue, the traditional transitional forms issue is not of the highest priority in creationist palaeontology. Since proper evaluation of the traditional transitional forms issue would divert substantial resources away from other tasks, it is not an efficient use of creationist resources to address the traditional transitional forms issue at this point in time.
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At this point in time, the largest challenge from the stratomorphic intermediate record appears to this author to come from the fossil record of the whales. There is a strong stratigraphic series of archaeocete genera claimed by Gingerich60(Ambulocetus, Rhodocetus, and Prozeuglodon[or the similar-aged Basilosaurus]61) followed on the one hand by modern mysticetes,62 and on the other hand by the family Squalodontidae and then modern odontocetes.63 That same series is also a morphological series: Ambulocetuswith the largest hind legs;64-66 Rhodocetus with hindlegs one- third smaller;67Prozeuglodon with 6 inch hindlegs;68 and the remaining whales with virtually no to no hind legs: toothed mysticetes before non-toothed baleen whales;69 the squalodontid odontocetes with telescoped skull but triangular teeth;70 and the modern odontocetes with telescoped skulls and conical teeth. This series of fossils is thus a very powerful stratomorphic series. Because the land mammal-to-whale transition (theorized by macroevolutionary theory and evidenced by the fossil record) is a land-to-sea transition, the relative order of land mammals, archaeocetes, and modern whales is not explainable in the conventional Flood geology method (transgressing Flood waters). Furthermore, whale fossils are only known in Cenozoic (and thus post-Flood) sediments.71 This seems to run counter to the intuitive expectation that the whales should have been found in or even throughout Flood sediments. At present creation theory has no good explanation for the fossil record of whales.
Dr. Kurt Wise
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/0e4d/0ab89242a5ddc40a8a74fc53361861fbcabf.pdf

Barbarian notes that many rocks have traces of C-14:

[QUOTE ]THEN THEY NEED TO THROW OUT THE WHOLE RADIOMETRIC DATING MYTH THAT THEY HAVE BEEN SCAMMING THE PUBLIC WITH FOR DECADES!!!!

Paleontologists don't even use C-14 normally, because it has far too short a half-life to be useful in almost all cases. I thought you knew.



As you know, there is a very precise definition for biological evolution. Do you remember what it is?

"Change in allele frequency in a population over time." Which, as you learned, is directly observed. You are objecting not to evolution, but to a consequence of evolution, e.g. common descent.

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" The Bible is true; you just don't want to accept it as God wrote it."

OH REALLY? AGAIN.. THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHAT I ACCEPT..

"20 Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil;
Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness;
Who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!" Isaiah 5

FOR OUR READERS... HERE IS EXACTLY HOW GOD "WROTE IT"

IT CLEARLY SHOWS (6) LITERAL DAYS WITH EVENING AND MORNING AS
QUANTIFIERS... THERE ARE ZERO HEBREW SCHOLORS THAT DENY THAT
THE HEBREW WORD "YOM" MEANS 24 HOUR DAYS.. NOT ONE!!!

THIS REFUTES SATANS LIE OF EVOLUTIONISM!!! (BY 3 BILLION YEARS!!)


The History of CreationA)'>
1 In the B)'>beginning C)'>God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was D)'>without form, and void; and darkness a]' data-fn="#fen-NKJV-2a">[a]was on the face of the deep. E)'>And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

3 F)'>Then God said, G)'>“Let there be H)'>light”; and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the I)'>darkness He called Night. b]' data-fn="#fen-NKJV-5b">[b]So the evening and the morning were the first day.

6 Then God said, J)'>“Let there be a c]' data-fn="#fen-NKJV-6c">[c]firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.” 7 Thus God made the firmament, K)'>and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were L)'>above the firmament; and it was so. 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. So the evening and the morning were the second day.

9 Then God said, M)'>“Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together into one place, and N)'>let the dry land appear”; and it was so. 10 And God called the dry land Earth, and the gathering together of the waters He called Seas. And God saw that it was good.

11 Then God said, “Let the earth O)'>bring forth grass, the herb that yields seed, and the P)'>fruit tree that yields fruit according to its kind, whose seed is in itself, on the earth”; and it was so. 12 And the earth brought forth grass, the herb that yields seed according to its kind, and the tree that yields fruit, whose seed is in itself according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 13 So the evening and the morning were the third day.

14 Then God said, “Let there be Q)'>lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and R)'>seasons, and for days and years; 15 and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth”; and it was so. 16 Then God made two great d]' data-fn="#fen-NKJV-16d">[d]lights: the S)'>greater light to rule the day, and the T)'>lesser light to rule the night. He made U)'>the stars also. 17 God set them in the firmament of the V)'>heavens to give light on the earth, 18 and to W)'>rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 So the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

20 Then God said, “Let the waters abound with an abundance of living e]' data-fn="#fen-NKJV-20e">[e]creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the face of the f]' data-fn="#fen-NKJV-20f">[f]firmament of the heavens.” 21 So X)'>God created great sea creatures and every living thing that moves, with which the waters abounded, according to their kind, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 And God blessed them, saying, Y)'>“Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth.” 23 So the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

24 Then God said, “Let the earth bring forth the living creature according to its kind: cattle and creeping thing and beast of the earth, each according to its kind”; and it was so. 25 And God made the beast of the earth according to its kind, cattle according to its kind, and everything that creeps on the earth according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.

26 Then God said, Z)'>“Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; AA)'>let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over g]' data-fn="#fen-NKJV-26g">[g]all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” 27 So God created man AB)'>in His own image; in the image of God He created him; AC)'>male and female He created them. 28 Then God blessed them, and God said to them, AD)'>“Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and AE)'>subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that h]' data-fn="#fen-NKJV-28h">[h]moves on the earth.”

29 And God said, “See, I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; AF)'>to you it shall be for food. 30 Also, to AG)'>every beast of the earth, to every AH)'>bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, in which there is i]' data-fn="#fen-NKJV-30i">[i]life, I have given every green herb for food”; and it was so. 31 Then AI)'>God saw everything that He had made, and indeed it was very good. So the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
 
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No, that's wrong:

Galatians 4:22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, eone by a slave woman and fone by a free woman. 23 But gthe son of the slave was born according to the flesh, while hthe son of the free woman was born through promise. 24 Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two icovenants.

Real people and real events, but also an allegory. Like the Genesis story.

YOU ARE MAKING YOURSELF LOOK VERY FOOLISH FOR THE AUDIENCE.. LIKE A
PUNCH DRUNK BOXER LASHING AWAY WILDLY AGAINST THE ROPES AS YOU GET
POUNDED INTO SUBMISSION.... THE TWO SONS WERE TWO REAL PEOPLE THEIR
NAMES WERE ISHMAEL AND ISSAC.. THE ONLY "ALLEGORY" WAS ECSHATOLOGICAL
SIGNIFICANCE OF THE ABRAHAMIC PROMISES, ISSAC, AND CHRIST, OVER AGAINST
TORAH, ISMAEL AND HAGAR....

NEXT!!!!

Galatians 4:22

For it is written
In ( Genesis 16:15 ) ( 21:9 )

that Abraham had two sons,
not two sons only; for besides the two referred to, he had six more, ( Genesis 25:2 ) but it being only pertinent to the apostle's purpose to take notice of these two, he mentions no more, though he does not deny that he had any more. These two sons were Ishmael and Isaac:

the one by a bondmaid.
Ishmael was by Hagar, Sarah's servant, who represented the covenant the Jewish nation was under the bondage of.

The other by a free woman.
Isaac was by Sarah, Abraham's proper and lawful wife, who was mistress of the family, and represented in figure the covenant, and Gospel church state, and all believers, Gentiles as well as Jews, as under the liberty thereof.
 
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I'm not saying you're calling Christ a liar. I'm just noting that you aren't willing to accept His creation as it is.



As you learned, it's allegorical and true. Remember when I showed you that there can be allegories about real people and true events? This is one of them.


"Remember when I showed you that there can be allegories about real people and true events? This is one of them."


SURE IT IS CHAMP.. SURE IT IS..

Jesus said "51from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah, who was killed between the altar and the sanctuary. Yes, I tell you, all of it will be charged to this generation.

TELL OUR AUDIENCE HOW CAIN AND ABEL (WHO JESUS CLAIMS WAS MURDERED BY CAIN) IS "ALLEGORICAL" LOL DO YOU KNOW WHO THE PARENTS OF CAIN AND ABLE WERE? THATS
RIGHT!! ADAM AND EVE///// OOPS!!

HERE IS A FOSSILIZED DINOSAUR HEART.. 65 MILLION YEARS AGO? I DONT THINK SO!! WHY NOT JUST BELIEVE GOD'S WORD? ESPECIALLY SINCE ALL OF THE SCIENCE SUPPORTS IT!!

Dino Heart Fossilized - obviously rapidly!
 
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As far as the OP. I don’t feel the need for theistic evolution as it’s simply a fact . I wouldn’t say I need a theistic reason for yellow roses either. That they exist is a fact . Evolution is a fact. Common descent is a fact . That I’m wearing copper glitter nail polish is also a fact but I wouldn’t need a theistic explanation for that either . ( I was gonna post a picture but decided not to)

"As far as the OP. I don’t feel the need for theistic evolution as it’s simply a fact."

What do you mean by Theistic? Because WHICHEVER "god" that would be the "god of evolution", Sure wouldn't be the Judeo Christian God of the Bible THATS for sure! (6) 24 hour days of creation leaves Satan's greatest lie of Evolutionism OUT OF LUCK!! Like you say.. That is simply a FACT!

"Evolution is a fact."

I guess we get to play the dishonest Darwinian game of semantics.... Before we continue... YOU need to clarify what you mean SPECIFICALLY when you use the duplicitous and purposely vague term "Evolution".. DO YOU MEAN.. (1)... Variation, Adaptation, Speciation or ....De-volution?.. i.e. ..Finches beaks, Cave fish going blind, Moth colors, Weak bacteria lacking enzymes targeted by antibiotics, Dog ears, Mutated fruit flies with 2 WORTHLESS extra wings, Bear coats, Dog Ears and Squirrel tails? OR DO YOU MEAN ...(2)....Slow Microbe to Microbiologist (UCA for all flora and fauna over 3 BY) And DONT sit there and try to assert that #1 plus "deep time" leads to #2 as I will embarrass that silly assertion all over the internet..You will be required to put your cards on the table here.... I just KNOW you are going to enjoy this discussion with me... Cant you feel it too?
 
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"Remember when I showed you that there can be allegories about real people and true events? This is one of them."

SURE IT IS CHAMP.. SURE IT IS..

Well, let's see what God says...

Galatians 4:22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, eone by a slave woman and fone by a free woman. 23 But gthe son of the slave was born according to the flesh, while hthe son of the free woman was born through promise. 24 Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two icovenants.
 
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YOU ARE MAKING YOURSELF LOOK VERY FOOLISH FOR THE AUDIENCE.. LIKE A
PUNCH DRUNK BOXER LASHING AWAY WILDLY AGAINST THE ROPES AS YOU GET
POUNDED INTO SUBMISSION.... THE TWO SONS WERE TWO REAL PEOPLE THEIR
NAMES WERE ISHMAEL AND ISSAC.

And the events were real. And yet, God describes it as an allegory. I think you should believe Him.

You're starting to get overexcited again, and you've been screaming in "all caps" for some time, now. Maybe a short break to calm down would help you?
 
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And the events were real. And yet, God describes it as an allegory. I think you should believe Him.

You're starting to get overexcited again, and you've been screaming in "all caps" for some time, now. Maybe a short break to calm down would help you?

IM AS CALM AS A CUCUMBER.. I LOVE DOING WHAT I DO! PLEASE DONT LET THE BIG BAD CAPS
SCARE YOU! THEY DONT MAKE ANY SOUNDS.... BOO!! LOL YEAH.. THE FAIRYTALE OF EVOLUTIONISM IS REALLY A HOPELESS AND DYING MYTH.. EVERYONE KNOWS IT, BUT THEY DONT WANT TO BELIEVE IN THE GOD OF THE BIBLE SO NOW THEY ARE TRYING TO COME UP WITH A "3RD WAY" BECAUSE EVERYONE KNOWS THAT DARWINS FAIRYTALE HAS FAILED... HERE!! FOR OUR READERS.. TIME TO GIVE UP YOUR RELIGION OF EVOLUTIONISM AND EMBRACE GODS TRUTH OF THE BIBLE.!!


Third Way of evolution
The Third Way of Evolution is a group of non-Darwinian or minimally Darwinian evolutionary biologists. From Tom Heneghan at Religion News: Since scientists succeeded in sequencing the genome in the late 1990s, they have found that epigenetic markers that regulate patterns of gene expression can reflect outside influences on a body.


https://www.thethirdwayofevolution.com/

Shift!: The Third Way of evolution is beginning to penetrate science-and-religion yawnfests – Uncommon Descent
 
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Well, let's see what God says...

Galatians 4:22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, eone by a slave woman and fone by a free woman. 23 But gthe son of the slave was born according to the flesh, while hthe son of the free woman was born through promise. 24 Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two icovenants.


YOU ARE MAKING YOURSELF LOOK VERY FOOLISH FOR THE AUDIENCE.. LIKE A
PUNCH DRUNK BOXER LASHING AWAY WILDLY AGAINST THE ROPES AS YOU GET
POUNDED INTO SUBMISSION.... THE TWO SONS WERE TWO REAL PEOPLE THEIR
NAMES WERE ISHMAEL AND ISSAC.. THE ONLY "ALLEGORY" WAS ECSHATOLOGICAL
SIGNIFICANCE OF THE ABRAHAMIC PROMISES, ISSAC, AND CHRIST, OVER AGAINST
TORAH, ISMAEL AND HAGAR....

NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH THE CREATION ACCOUNT IN GENESIS!!!

NEXT!!!!

Galatians 4:22

For it is written
In ( Genesis 16:15 ) ( 21:9 )

that Abraham had two sons,
not two sons only; for besides the two referred to, he had six more, ( Genesis 25:2 ) but it being only pertinent to the apostle's purpose to take notice of these two, he mentions no more, though he does not deny that he had any more. These two sons were Ishmael and Isaac:

the one by a bondmaid.
Ishmael was by Hagar, Sarah's servant, who represented the covenant the Jewish nation was under the bondage of.

The other by a free woman.
Isaac was by Sarah, Abraham's proper and lawful wife, who was mistress of the family, and represented in figure the covenant, and Gospel church state, and all believers, Gentiles as well as Jews, as under the liberty thereof.
 
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Well, let's see what God says...

Galatians 4:22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, eone by a slave woman and fone by a free woman. 23 But gthe son of the slave was born according to the flesh, while hthe son of the free woman was born through promise. 24 Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two icovenants.


SO NOW ANYTHING THAT ANYONE DOESNT LIKE IN THE BIBLE THEY CAN JUST CALL "ALLEGORICAL" AND VOILA!! NOT TRUE!!

HOW ABOUT ALL OF THE MIRACLES OF JESUS.. MANY CLAIM THAT THEY ARE ALL ALLEGORICAL!!!
MOST LIKELY THE OVAL-EARTHERS DO AS WELL... AHAHAH WHY NOT WRITE YOU OWN BIBLE IF YOU DONT LIKE GODS WORD?
 
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Well, let's see what God says...

Galatians 4:22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, eone by a slave woman and fone by a free woman. 23 But gthe son of the slave was born according to the flesh, while hthe son of the free woman was born through promise. 24 Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two icovenants.

SO NOW ANYTHING THAT ANYONE DOESNT LIKE IN THE BIBLE THEY CAN JUST CALL "ALLEGORICAL" AND VOILA!! NOT TRUE!!

You think God is saying that Abraham and his family are not true? Seriously?

HOW ABOUT ALL OF THE MIRACLES OF JESUS.. MANY CLAIM THAT THEY ARE ALL ALLEGORICAL!!!

Sorry, I'd have to disagree with you. I don't see any reason to believe that any of them are allegories. Do you have any evidence to support your claim?
 
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IM AS CALM AS A CUCUMBER.

You seem to be getting more and more excited. You often drop your argument, just to vent your anger at me. Which is pretty pointless, because I mean you no harm, and have enjoyed our discussions.

Maybe if you just worked on the evidence, you'd do better. Worth a try?
 
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