Petitio principii nexum (begging the connection): a connection you can't recruit for Evolution?

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That isn't a coherent question, because evolution isn't a moral question.

You can't say something isn't "coherent", because it falls out of the sphere of your influence - that's like saying a bad apple is a reflection of the apple tree, in general.

The context, the subtext, timing of the apple, is what determines whether it will be a bad apple.

You're trying to tell me there is no reason for what you know, but that I am somehow wrong - but how can I be wrong, if there is no reason to be right?
 
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You can't say something isn't "coherent", because it falls out of the sphere of your influence - that's like saying a bad apple is a reflection of the apple tree, in general.

The context, the subtext, timing of the apple, is what determines whether it will be a bad apple.

You're trying to tell me there is no reason for what you know, but that I am somehow wrong - but how can I be wrong, if there is no reason to be right?
No.

Evolution doesn't give commands or have expectations... so it isn't possible to fail it or disobey it.
 
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You can't say something isn't "coherent", because it falls out of the sphere of your influence - that's like saying a bad apple is a reflection of the apple tree, in general.
Using your fruity analogy, it's like saying "a bad apple is a reflection of the peach tree, in general." It's a meaningless expression.

The context, the subtext, timing of the apple, is what determines whether it will be a bad apple.
But you don't get apples from peach trees. So your point has no meaning.

You're trying to tell me there is no reason for what you know, but that I am somehow wrong - but how can I be wrong, if there is no reason to be right?
No, you're wrong because you're talking nonsense.
 
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Are the connections from or to? Or even through?

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But you need to ask yourself, how permanent is a connection and why? That, surely @Gottservant answers your question concerning limits.

You are closer to the truth, than you think.

I did not reply, because you failed to call the truth out - in contradistinction to Evolution.

I have begun to understand that almost everything done in the name of Evolution, is a compounding of sense: word yet believed function, as though stopping in the processing of makes all the more manifest?

If you want me to be specific as to the eigenution (the creating of links, to be called functionally "evolved") of your words and understanding, you will have to permit me to re-engineer the methodology which you employ to create that eigenution or like it - I cannot hand over a weaker sense of Evolution, simply because you ask me to? As if by that I would understand the working of Evolution, in part, attempting to?

There is no suppressive eigenution that will prove Evolution strong: that is simply not its function.
 
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If you want me to be specific as to the eigenution (the creating of links, to be called functionally "evolved") of your words and understanding

I'm not sure that "eigenution" is an actual word.

you will have to permit me to re-engineer the methodology which you employ

Evolution is a fairly well-formulated theory, in which (to put it simply) populations evolve through mutation and natural selection. It stands or falls on its own terms, according to whether or not it makes correct statements about reality.

If you wish to criticise it, you can't "re-engineer" it.
 
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You are closer to the truth, than you think.
Where do you feel I come closest to the truth as you see it?

I have begun to understand that almost everything done in the name of Evolution, is a compounding of sense: word yet believed function, as though stopping in the processing of makes all the more manifest?

If you want me to be specific as to the eigenution (the creating of links, to be called functionally "evolved") of your words and understanding, you will have to permit me to re-engineer the methodology which you employ to create that eigenution or like it - I cannot hand over a weaker sense of Evolution, simply because you ask me to? As if by that I would understand the working of Evolution, in part, attempting to?

There is no suppressive eigenution that will prove Evolution strong: that is simply not its function.
Cleary we understand each other almost totally; as if we were brothers. I wonder if you are comfortable with me sharing that unpalatable truth with the other members. (The yellow brick road was a long one, but the denoument could lead to someone being oztracised.
 
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I have begun to understand that almost everything done in the name of Evolution

Nothing is done 'in the name of Evolution'. Really, I cannot keep saying this enough: PLEASE, actually learn about the theory of evolution and what it actually says instead of these half-baked ideas for yours.
 
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Hi there,

So I just want to appeal to mercy for a moment, is there a connection that you can't recruit for Evolution?

When you beg the question, you can't beg the question of something that is the foundation - you can't for example question meaning, if you question the reality of someone who might find that meaning (either they exist independent of meaning, or not, but they do not "not exist" because you question that existence).

So if you are begging the question of connection, for Evolution's sake, you can't fundamentally expect a connection to mean more Evolution, if you question the creature's ability to sustain that connection - there has to be a limit to how much you recruit for Evolution's sake; you can't have your cake and eat it too?

So in context, for example: what if I said "you won't be able to Evolve further, if you fail to develop this mutation"? Would being left out of Evolution, somehow mean that I don't survive, when I already have enough to survive by? What is that phenomenon? What is it that leaves you in free fall, away from a homogeneous understanding of Evolution? Where is the foundation that tells you "this is how long your Evolution has left"?

I mean we need to be able to work this out, if we are to beat climate change, right? If everyone has an indefinite clock, there is no way to prevent wasting our resources? That makes sense, right?

I am interested to see what you say the limit is.

You could have just started a thread asking for someone to explain to you what "begging the question" means, because you don't seem to understand.
 
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In Biblical terms, the question that was not supposed to be begged was how much of the forbidden fruit you could eat without sinning.

We moved beyond that in Christendom, to the question "how do you pay for the difference, if you do (eat the forbidden)?"

If there is no such thing in Evolution, I am afraid to say it: but that means there is no foundational knowledge worth preserving in Evolution, at best.

You are contradicting the importance of experienced knowledge - saying Evolution is post *substitute here*, for no reason - when the purity of an expectation is foundationally the beginning of a passage to greater justification.

You are positing the greater justification, but you are not justifying it.
Again, you could have just asked someone to explain what "begging the question" means, you don't seem to understand.
 
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I just mean it as plainly as it sounds:

In Creation we have the forbidden fruit.

What in Evolution, is a forbidden connection?
The forbidden fruit was forbidden because apparently your deity did not want his creations to understand the difference between good and evil.
Sounds like a real winner...
 
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