Flat Earth? Not Far From The Truth.

Messenger 3k said:

Not really.

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I am an "unbeliever". I have nothing to repent of in this regard.

Can I send someone to Antarctica? (restricted by treaty) Or the Diomede Islands? (quite secured as well) or the remote Islands of Hawaii? (restricted to certain researchers only)

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You have some sort of "map". Like the one you showed in the video. (Again: interesting that you ignored my questions about the limitations of your model. I really do wonder why.)

So, take YOUR map... whatever map you want to use. Send someone to a "western" point, send someone to an "eastern" point, send someone to a "middle" point. Send others to points in between, if you want better accuracy. Send folks to northern points and southerns points... but if your sun is moving east to west, the "north-south" direction has lesser impact.

If you have difficulties to decide... just post YOUR map of the earth, and we can go over which points would be reasonable to send someone to, and discuss the reasons why these positions would make sense in YOUR reality.

And you where on one of such boats when?

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I don't know. As long as you don't present a halfway exact map of how you think the world looks like, I wouldn't be able to say where these "edges" are.
But as I have heard a number of reports of people crossing any "edge" on your map that would make sense... in YOUR reality with the east-west-moving sun... I'm quite confident that no such "edge" exists.

Are all these people lying? Every single one of them? Are they "deceived"? How?

How fast do these restaurants rotate?

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That would depend on the specific location. The one I am familiar with, the restaurant in the Berlin Fernsehturm, does a full rotation every hour. So, 24 times as fast as the earth.

You must have a different definition of correct.

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I talked about rotation velocities... nothing else. You talked about "coincidental balancing forces". Which has nothing to do with rotation velocities.
So you weren't responding to my point.

You can disagree about the point - I will gladly grant you that, if you are reasonable - but you should at least address it correctly.

Messenger 3k said:

Wrong. They just got too critical in thought to put up with the lies.

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Their minds are in a critical condition.

Messenger 3k said:

The claims by you and your family is left to you and your family.

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And you are left to your delusional fantasy. Have a nice day.

prodromos said:

And you are left to your delusional fantasy. Have a nice day.

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He's using the standard Flat Earther modus. Accuse everyone who disagrees of "lying", or "being deceived".
That's why I deliberately included some "trusted companions" to make the observations.

It's a lot more difficult to accuse the people you handpicked for your experiment of misleading you.

Messenger 3k said:

It appears you skipped my questions to you above.

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I did answer them.
Post #201
That's a link you can click on... or just go back to that post number.

Messenger 3k said:

I see.

Then you should be offended by my statement.

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Pal, as I mentioned, I have been here on this forum for over 18 years. I have had all kinds of interactions with Christians for decades before that.

Nothing a Christian can throw at me can offend me anymore.

What limitations?

Limitations in 3D design skills?

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Well, it was you who mentioned that the errors in your map were due to "design limitations". If you have difficulties to get your 3D program to give you a certain shape, I dare say you have other problems than geography.

I don't have all day.

Watch the video again. The sun rises at each eastern station (or gate) and sets at the corresponding western station. So that at all times it goes through the center of the earth: 1 to 1, 2 to 2, 3 to 3...etc. So there are instances where the sun is moving from the northern region to the southern region (e.g, 1 to 1), but always from the eastern half to the western half.

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Yes. Ok. So send one person to a place near one eastern and the corresponding western "gate" and one smack in the middle... and have them report.

The focus is not these people. The focus is you.

When where you on such a boat?

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As I said: without knowing where you place this edge, I could not say. Does that edge go straight through the Pacific, as your map would indicate? Then I have never been on such a boat. Does it go through the Atlantic? Again, I have never been on such a boat. Does it go through the center of Middle Europe? I have crossed that region several times.

And, yes, "these people" matter as well. "These people" are all around you. I don't know how far you have travelled... but if you haven't been all over the world, you rely on the reports of "these people".

So you reckon that a small object covering a small distance (say less than 1 mile) in one hour, has the same speed (or greater) as a large object as earth allegedly covering a distance of 1000 miles in one hour?

And beyond that, this small object is 24 times faster than earth?

Explain this math please.

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It's not a question of distance... it is a question of angles.
This restaurant does a full revolution every hour. The earth needs 24 hours for a full revolution.

Do you get dizzy when you walk in a straight line? When you drive a car? When you are on a high-speed train? When you are on a plane?
You don't.
This is because the way we get "dizzy" is not based on how fast we are going... it is based on how quickly we are changing speed or direction.
And with the rotation of the earth - or its movement through space - we change direction much much slower than most of the motions that make us "dizzy".

You don't have to take my word on it... you can easily try that out for yourself.

Messenger 3k said:

So this map is not spatially accurate? Correct it please.

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Messenger 3k said:

And you know this is not the case how?

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By chatting to people around the world.

Radagast said:

By chatting to people around the world.

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He could do this on Christian Forums if he wanted to, but he won't do anything that would invalidate his claims.

Messenger 3k said:

I'm trying to understand you.

Are you saying a line stretched on an object must always be straight?

You do realize that the line being referred to in that scripture is a measuring line; a simple rope or cord used for measurements in ancient times; which best suits the situation since a curved surface is being measured.

Job 38:5,

Who set its measurements--if you know--or who stretched a measuring line across it? (NET)

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I believe the verse is stating that this stretched line is above the earth (5921. al upon, above, over) meaning the line does not touch the actual earth.

To me that a stretched line can only curve if it is touching the actual surface, other wise a stretched line is straight and flat

Messenger 3k said:

So this map is not spatially accurate? Correct it please.

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If you connected Hawaii and Japan with a line without picking your pen off the map, it will not be the shortest route between the real places.

Messenger 3k said:

Correction: Holy Spirit inspired interpretation.

2 Timothy 2:16,

All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness (NKJV)

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Unfortunately that only applies to books written before that at best. In fact we don't know what is "scripture" or not. And that "book" itself is in doubt. It was almost certainly not written by Paul. It is what is called a defensive verse and only leads to circular reasoning.

Lastly you do not appear to understand it. It does not claim that 'scripture" is accurate or even correct. It only says that it is "inspired by God" and that it is useful for instruction. Nothing about any of it being factual.

You really have no way of knowing if your interpretation is "inspired interpretation". Now you are just making things up. What you will find is that there are other Christians that believe like you that the Bible is infallible etc. (a clear error that is also ironically a breaking of the Second Commandment), but they will have a totally different interpretation than you do. That means that at least one of you is wrong. Science is very useful for Christians. Please note, one is not testing God or the Bible with science. One is testing the interpretation of Christians with science. Not the same thing at all. I am very sure that your interpretation of the Bible can be shown to be wrong by seeing if your beliefs disagree with reality.

Messenger 3k said:

Speed is speed. It's built on distance and time. The greater the speed, the greater the forces to contend with. And 1000 miles/hr is no small speed.

Angular considerations or not, straight line or not, driving 80mph isn't the same as driving 5mph.

So please explain your math.

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Nope, there is no such thing as absolute speed. All velocities are relative. This is something you should have learned in high school. Have you even flown in a jet plane?