Reincarnation of Elijah

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Was John the Baptist really Elijah? If so, does that mean reincarnation is a biblically backed position? What do you make of these passages—

Matthew 17:11-13
11 Jesus replied, “To be sure, Elijah comes and will restore all things. 12 But I tell you, Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but have done to him everything they wished. In the same way the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands.” 13 Then the disciples understood that he was talking to them about John the Baptist.
No.

John the Baptist carried the mantle of Elijah, just as Elisha did after Elijah was caught up. A mantle represented power and authority. That doesn't mean they were somehow the same person. That's not how it works.
 
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Was John the Baptist really Elijah? If so, does that mean reincarnation is a biblically backed position? What do you make of these passages—

Matthew 17:11-13
11 Jesus replied, “To be sure, Elijah comes and will restore all things. 12 But I tell you, Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but have done to him everything they wished. In the same way the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands.” 13 Then the disciples understood that he was talking to them about John the Baptist.
Both Elijah and John the Baptist were voices in the wilderness. A foreshadowing.
"“Please let there be a double portion of your spirit on me.” ..Elisha
 
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At the Mount of Transfiguration Moses and Elijah appeared and spoke with Jesus. Jesus was a good friend of John the Baptist and the disciples had certainly met him. So it would be more likely they would have seen it as John the Baptist and Moses - not Elijah and Moses. So, no, John the Baptist is no reincarnation of Elijah, but he is similar by way of his prophetic gifting.

It's probably even deeper than that, but that's what I know on a surface level at least.

Jesus and John the Baptist were actually Cousins.
 
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Was John the Baptist really Elijah? If so, does that mean reincarnation is a biblically backed position? What do you make of these passages—

Matthew 17:11-13
11 Jesus replied, “To be sure, Elijah comes and will restore all things. 12 But I tell you, Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but have done to him everything they wished. In the same way the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands.” 13 Then the disciples understood that he was talking to them about John the Baptist.

In the time of Jesus, many people believed that Elijah would literally return from heaven to live again on earth, or possibly be reborn into a new man. Jesus once asked the disciples, “Whom say the people that I am? They answering said, John the Baptist; but some say, Elias [the Greek form of Elijah]; and others say, that one of the old prophets is risen again” (Luke 9:18, 19).

The Jews lived with a sense of expectancy that Elijah would soon come to announce the advent of the Messiah. However, this prophecy in Malachi was never intended to imply that the Old Testament prophet would be reincarnated.

Instead, Elijah’s spirit of revival and reform was predicted in Scripture to return. Speaking of the birth of John the Baptist, the angel Gabriel said to Zacharias: “He shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord” (Luke 1:17).

Gabriel was the first to identify that John the Baptist fulfilled this prophecy in Malachi. John was to precede the Lord to do a special work of revival and reform. Jesus later confirmed this fact when He said, “For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come” (Matthew 11:13, 14).

Malachi’s prophecy, however, did not end with John the Baptist because there is also a modern-day fulfillment. Notice that the prophecy says, “I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord.” The “great and dreadful day of the Lord,” which is also called “the great day of his wrath” in Revelation 6:17 is synonymous with the second coming. So this other fulfillment points us to a period just prior to the return of Jesus the second time.

No .... His word does not at all teach reincarnation.
 
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Was John the Baptist really Elijah? If so, does that mean reincarnation is a biblically backed position? What do you make of these passages—

Matthew 17:11-13
11 Jesus replied, “To be sure, Elijah comes and will restore all things. 12 But I tell you, Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but have done to him everything they wished. In the same way the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands.” 13 Then the disciples understood that he was talking to them about John the Baptist.
Jesus could have dismissed the idea when the disciples asked whether the blind man was blind because of his actions before his birth......He chose not to dismiss the notion..... therefore I choose not to dismiss it either.
 
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Jesus could have dismissed the idea when the disciples asked whether the blind man was blind because of his actions before his birth......He chose not to dismiss the notion..... therefore I choose not to dismiss it either.

So you do not dismiss the notion of reincarnation? Just to be clear.
 
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I copied & pasted this from GotQuestions.org

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Question: "Was John the Baptist really Elijah reincarnated?"

Answer:
Matthew 11:7–14 declares, “Jesus began to speak to the crowd about John: ‘What did you go out into the desert to see? A reed swayed by the wind? If not, what did you go out to see? A man dressed in fine clothes? No, those who wear fine clothes are in kings’ palaces. Then what did you go out to see? A prophet? Yes, I tell you, and more than a prophet. This is the one about whom it is written: “I will send my messenger ahead of you, who will prepare your way before you.” I tell you the truth: Among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. From the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has been forcefully advancing, and forceful men lay hold of it. For all the Prophets and the Law prophesied until John. And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come.’” Here Jesus quotes from Malachi 3:1, where the messenger appears to be a prophetic figure who is going to appear. According to Malachi 4:5, this messenger is “the prophet Elijah,” whom Jesus identifies as John the Baptist. Does this mean that John the Baptist was Elijah reincarnated? Not at all.

First, Jesus’ original hearers (and Matthew’s original readers) would never have assumed Jesus’ words to refer to reincarnation. Besides, Elijah did not die; he was taken to heaven in a whirlwind as he rode in a chariot of fire (2 Kings 2:11). Arguing for a reincarnation (or a resurrection) of Elijah misses that point. If anything, the prophecy of the Elijah “to come” would have been viewed as Elijah’s physical return to earth from heaven.

Second, the Bible is quite clear that John the Baptist is called “Elijah” because he came in the “spirit and power of Elijah” (Luke 1:17), not because he was Elijah in a literal sense. John the Baptist is the New Testament forerunner who points the way to the arrival of the Lord, just as Elijah filled that role in the Old Testament (and might again in the future—see Revelation 11).

Third, Elijah himself appears with Moses at Jesus’ transfiguration after John the Baptist’s death. This would not have happened if Elijah had changed his identity into that of John (Matthew 17:11–12).

Fourth, Mark 6:14–16 and 8:28 show that both the people and Herod distinguished between John the Baptist and Elijah.

Finally, proof that this John the Baptist was not Elijah reincarnated comes from John himself. In the first chapter of John the Apostle’s gospel, John the Baptist identifies himself as the messenger of Isaiah 40:3, not as the Elijah of Malachi 3:1. John the Baptist even goes so far as to specifically deny that he was Elijah (John 1:19–23).

John did for Jesus what Elijah was to have done for the coming of the Lord, but he was not Elijah reincarnated. Jesus identified John the Baptist as Elijah, while John the Baptist rejected that identification. How do we reconcile these two teachings? There is a key phrase in Jesus’ identification of John the Baptist that must not be overlooked. He says, “If you are willing to accept it, he is Elijah.” In other words, John the Baptist’s identification as Elijah was not predicated upon his being the actual Elijah, but upon people’s response to his role. To those who were willing to believe in Jesus, John the Baptist functioned as Elijah, for they believed in Jesus as Lord. To the religious leaders who rejected Jesus, John the Baptist did not perform this function.

Hope that answers you question?
 
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Was John the Baptist really Elijah? If so, does that mean reincarnation is a biblically backed position? What do you make of these passages—

Matthew 17:11-13
11 Jesus replied, “To be sure, Elijah comes and will restore all things. 12 But I tell you, Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but have done to him everything they wished. In the same way the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands.” 13 Then the disciples understood that he was talking to them about John the Baptist.
I think so and this is why so many believe that Enoch will be one of the two witnesses.
 
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I do not dismiss it. I existed before the womb and will continue to exist forever.


So you do not believe in the bible as the word of God?

1Ti 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Even Adam and Eve did not have immortality. They were driven from the garden so they would not live forever. If they ate of the tree God said they would die.

Gen 3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
Gen 3:23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

God gives eternal life to the saved not the lost---quote one verse that states the lost will have eternal life with Jesus.

Rom_6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
 
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Was John the Baptist really Elijah? If so, does that mean reincarnation is a biblically backed position? What do you make of these passages—

Matthew 17:11-13
11 Jesus replied, “To be sure, Elijah comes and will restore all things. 12 But I tell you, Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but have done to him everything they wished. In the same way the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands.” 13 Then the disciples understood that he was talking to them about John the Baptist.
The simple truth is yes. However that does not mean that you won’t get conflicting answers. John The Baptist was questioned about this and he responded no twice as I recall.
 
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Was John the Baptist really Elijah? If so, does that mean reincarnation is a biblically backed position? What do you make of these passages—

Matthew 17:11-13
11 Jesus replied, “To be sure, Elijah comes and will restore all things. 12 But I tell you, Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but have done to him everything they wished. In the same way the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands.” 13 Then the disciples understood that he was talking to them about John the Baptist.
The Word is Truth

Heb.9

  1. [27] And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

  2. When did Elijah die?
 
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Was John the Baptist really Elijah? If so, does that mean reincarnation is a biblically backed position? What do you make of these passages—

Matthew 17:11-13
11 Jesus replied, “To be sure, Elijah comes and will restore all things. 12 But I tell you, Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but have done to him everything they wished. In the same way the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands.” 13 Then the disciples understood that he was talking to them about John the Baptist.
Elijah came back as John the baptist.
The bible is written in hidden messages and symbols. It is not that easy to understand the bible.

God has revealed to me what happens to the soul after death. Life after death is not what we think it is. A soul can come back on earth but there is a process before that can happen.
The thing is when you reincarnate, our previous lives are blocked from our minds. We will not remember our previous lives. But that does not mean we cannot know about our previous lives
You may find it hard to believe but i know who i was before i became who i am now. If you stay true to God, if you obey him and follow his commandments, He will reveal secrets to you that will shock you.
Jeremiah 33:3 says "Call to Me and I will answer you, and I will tell you great and mighty things, which you do not know."
Colossians 1:26 says "the mystery that has been kept hidden for ages and generations, but is now disclosed to the Lord’s people"
1 Corinthians 2:9-10 says "However, as it is written:
“What no eye has seen,
what no ear has heard,
and what no human mind has conceived”
the things God has prepared for those who love him. these are the things God has revealed to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God.

Let me give an example
When Jesus Christ was resurrected, he came back in a different form. A different body. He did not look the same way that he did when he died.
Mark 16:12 says "Afterward Jesus appeared in a different form to two of them while they were walking in the country."
John 20:14 says "At this, she turned around and saw Jesus standing there, but she did not realize that it was Jesus."


May God Bless you
 
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Was John the Baptist really Elijah? If so, does that mean reincarnation is a biblically backed position? What do you make of these passages—

Matthew 17:11-13
11 Jesus replied, “To be sure, Elijah comes and will restore all things. 12 But I tell you, Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but have done to him everything they wished. In the same way the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands.” 13 Then the disciples understood that he was talking to them about John the Baptist.

In Matthew 17 Elijah and Moses show up in person and speak with Christ.
 
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Elijah came back as John the baptist.
The bible is written in hidden messages and symbols. It is not that easy to understand the bible.

God has revealed to me what happens to the soul after death. Life after death is not what we think it is. A soul can come back on earth but there is a process before that can happen.
The thing is when you reincarnate, our previous lives are blocked from our minds.

Hebrews 9 "it is appointed unto man once to die and then comes the judgment" not "and then comes more lives on Earth"

And Elijah never died.
 
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What about the spirit of Nero entering the antichrist?

Umm----Nero is dead.

Ecc 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
Ecc 9:6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.
Job 7:9 As the cloud is consumed and vanisheth away: so he that goeth down to the grave shall come up no more.
Job 7:10 He shall return no more to his house, neither shall his place know him any more.
 
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