Are we saved by grace, faith, works of faith, repentance, election, or combination of these?

BNR32FAN · Mar 13, 2020

Hammster said:
Just like you can sit outside my house and say you are a Hamm.

Him in us, is in Him.

Him in us means we follow His teachings.

“If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you.”
‭‭John‬ ‭15:7‬ ‭NASB‬‬

Hammster · Mar 13, 2020

BNR32FAN said:
when you said He wont lose any that’s from John 6. He doesn’t say that in a John 10.

I said He won’t lose any that the Father gives Him.

My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.
— John 10:29

Hammster · Mar 13, 2020

BNR32FAN said:
Why can’t immorality, impurity, and greed not be named amongst the saints?

It can, obviously. That’s why Paul warns against it.

Hammster · Mar 13, 2020

BNR32FAN said:
Jesus specifically said they were in Him.

Was He in them? We’re the tares wheat?

BNR32FAN · Mar 13, 2020

Hammster said:
I said He won’t lose any that the Father gives Him.

My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.
— John 10:29

I get it but your statement closer fits John 6:39.

Hammster · Mar 13, 2020

BNR32FAN said:
Him in us means we follow His teachings.

“If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you.”
‭‭John‬ ‭15:7‬ ‭NASB‬‬

You can’t be in Him and be saved unless He is in you. You can look like it, though. Judas is a good example. And right before Jesus told them this, Judas left to betray Him. There’s a good chance this is why Jesus is telling them this.

BNR32FAN · Mar 13, 2020

Hammster said:
Was He in them? We’re the tares wheat?

Hammster said:
It can, obviously. That’s why Paul warns against it.

If it can’t then there would be no reason for the warning. Why warn someone of doing something they are incapable of doing?

Hammster · Mar 13, 2020

BNR32FAN said:
Him in us means we follow His teachings.

“If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you.”
‭‭John‬ ‭15:7‬ ‭NASB‬‬

It doesn’t say that.

Hammster · Mar 13, 2020

BNR32FAN said:
I get it but your statement closer fits John 6:39.

John 10 works just fine.

Hammster · Mar 13, 2020

BNR32FAN said:
If it can’t then there would be no reason for the warning. Why warn someone of doing something they are incapable of doing?

The same reason my wife and I have been on our younger kids lately about lying. It’s not how they should be behaving.

BNR32FAN · Mar 13, 2020

Hammster said:
You can’t be in Him and be saved unless He is in you. You can look like it, though. Judas is a good example. And right before Jesus told them this, Judas left to betray Him. There’s a good chance this is why Jesus is telling them this.

You can’t be in Christ and not be saved. Saved is the current status of the person that can be subject to change if the covenant is breached. That’s why it’s called a covenant. Jesus didn’t say The Father cuts off every branch that appears to be in Me. He said the branches are in Him. You need to do a search of the term “in Christ” and see if your statement holds any water. If someone is in Christ they are saved.

BNR32FAN · Mar 13, 2020

Hammster said:
The same reason my wife and I have been on our younger kids lately about lying. It’s not how they should be behaving.

Ok so the saints are capable of immortality, impurity, and greed. Do immoral, impure, and greedy men have an inheritance in the kingdom of God?

Hammster · Mar 13, 2020

BNR32FAN said:
You can’t be in Christ and not be saved. Saved is the current status of the person that can be subject to change if the covenant is breached. That’s why it’s called a covenant. Jesus didn’t say The Father cuts off every branch that appears to be in Me. He said the branches are in Him. You need to do a search of the term “in Christ” and see if your statement holds any water. If someone is in Christ they are saved.

He doesn’t cut of branches if Christ is in them. That’s the key.

Hammster · Mar 13, 2020

BNR32FAN said:
Ok so the saints are capable of immortality, impurity, and greed. Do immoral, impure, and greedy men have an inheritance in the kingdom of God?

Not the unsaved ones.

BNR32FAN · Mar 14, 2020

Hammster said:
It doesn’t say that.

then what does the term “and My words abide in you” mean?

BNR32FAN · Mar 14, 2020

Hammster said:
Not the unsaved ones.

Where did their inheritance go? Paul said they had it back in chapter 1. Now after they turn back to a sinful way of life they don’t have it anymore. Hence they lost it. Now sure they hadn’t actually received it yet they had the pledge of receiving it IF they meet the conditions of the covenant and abide in Christ and endure to the end.

Hammster · Mar 14, 2020

BNR32FAN said:
then what does the term “and My words abide in you” mean?

That you are His disciple. However. It’s more than just following certain teachings. Unbelievers can appear to follow certain teachings. I’ve known unbelievers who are better neighbors than me, who are more generous, and just really nice people. But that doesn’t make them disciples. You need to remember that those cut off don’t have Christ in them. Those who bear fruit do. And nothing in that passage says to make sure that Christ is in you.

Hammster · Mar 14, 2020

BNR32FAN said:
Where did their inheritance go? Paul said they had it back in chapter 1. Now after they turn back to a sinful way of life they don’t have it anymore. Hence they lost it. Now sure they hadn’t actually received it yet they had the pledge of receiving it IF they meet the conditions of the covenant and abide in Christ and endure to the end.

The unsaved never had inheritance. I don’t think Paul ever said that they did. I’ll admit that I’m a bit confused with this argument.

frumanchu · Mar 14, 2020

There are those who profess faith in Christ, who participate in the means of grace in the church, who teach in the church, who perform works of mercy, etc. who never actually put their trust in Christ in a saving way. They have every outward appearance of being a believer, just as Judas did and just as those in 1 John 2:19. There are also those who do have a true saving faith in Christ who falter like Peter, who are not snatched from His hand but are preserved and restored. They are sealed unto the day of redemption because He is able to preserve them.

The question of why these warnings and imperatives would be given in Scripture in light of God's sovereignty over all things is because those are the means through which He accomplishes that preservation. The Spirit works with the Word to convict and inspire us. Could He do so without these warnings? Of course, but this is the means He has chosen (just as He chose the preaching of the Gospel as the means of bringing us to saving faith in Christ).

BNR32FAN · Mar 14, 2020

Hammster said:
That you are His disciple. However. It’s more than just following certain teachings. Unbelievers can appear to follow certain teachings. I’ve known unbelievers who are better neighbors than me, who are more generous, and just really nice people. But that doesn’t make them disciples. You need to remember that those cut off don’t have Christ in them. Those who bear fruit do. And nothing in that passage says to make sure that Christ is in you.

I disagree because many disciples left Jesus in John 6 and of course Judas was a disciple as well. His words abiding in us are the words He spoke to us teaching us how to live. If His words fall on deaf ears they are not abiding in us.

Are we saved by grace, faith, works of faith, repentance, election, or combination of these?

Are we saved by grace, faith, works of faith, repentance, election, or combination of these?

We are saved by God's grace alone (Election) and we did nothing as a part of salvation.

We are saved by God's grace through faith, & works or holy living do not add anything to salvation.

We are saved by God's grace through faith + repentance (Please define your version of repentance).

We are saved by God's grace through faith without works initially & foundationally + Sanctification.

We are saved by believing in Jesus and in doing what He says. We do not need the Sinner's Prayer.

We are saved by God's grace by faith + Sanctification, and certain sins can separate us from God.

We are saved by John MacArthur's definition of Lordship Salvation.

I am a Universalist. All will eventually be saved by God's grace.

Other (Please explain).

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