Whatever Happened to the Ten Commandments?

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First commandment with a promise if done.

Deuteronomy 5:16 Honour thy father and thy mother, as the Lord thy God hath commanded thee; that thy days may be prolonged, and that it may go well with thee, in the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee
In the OP I say the moral commands forbid action.
 
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Jesus also said

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law,
till all be fulfilled.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven:
but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same
shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
 
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Jesus also said

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law,
till all be fulfilled.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven:
but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same
shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
How can you teach others to break them if you teach them how to keep them as Jesus did?
 
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It is likely the same minister/priest started the theology that 1) law was done away with, and/or 2) the commandments are done away with, because for so many people to repeat the same explanation is a deep type of connectivity

This abolishment of the Decalogue seems to be a very recent movement to me; but it seems to be spreading like wildfire. We must be close to the times of Noah, for people to be abandoning these basic tenets for the love of YHWH, and the love of their fellow man.
 
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Jeremiah said the New Covenant
would replacethe Old Covenant
(Jeremiah 31:31–34).

31Behold, the days come, saith the Lord,
that I will make a new covenant with the
house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

Jeremiah said the new covenant is with the
house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

Which one are you?


26 A new heart also will I give you, and a
new spirit will I put within you: and I will
take away the stony heart out of your flesh,
and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause
youto walk in [my statutes], and ye shall keep
[my judgments], and do them.

*
28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave
to your fathers; and ye shall be my people,
and I will be your God.


"But he answered and said, I am not sent but
unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
 
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How can you teach others to break them if you teach them how to keep them as Jesus did?
Jesus said we can Do good on the Sabbath,
others say the 7th day Sabbath is no more .


Isaiah 66:23 (KJV)
And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.

Zechariah 14:18 (KJV)
And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the Lord will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
 
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This abolishment of the Decalogue seems to be a very recent movement to me; but it seems to be spreading like wildfire. We must be close to the times of Noah, for people to be abandoning these basic tenets for the love of YHWH, and the love of their fellow man.

Which of the three Biblical versions of the ten commandments are people rejecting?
 
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Jesus said we can Do good on the Sabbath,
others say the 7th day Sabbath is no more .


Isaiah 66:23 (KJV)
And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.

Zechariah 14:18 (KJV)
And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the Lord will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
You need to understand these passages according to the New Covenant. Hebrews teaches that Christ is our Sabbath. And we have no scriptures in the NT telling us to keep a Sabbath.
 
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31Behold, the days come, saith the Lord,
that I will make a new covenant with the
house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

Jeremiah said the new covenant is with the
house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

Which one are you?


26 A new heart also will I give you, and a
new spirit will I put within you: and I will
take away the stony heart out of your flesh,
and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause
youto walk in [my statutes], and ye shall keep
[my judgments], and do them.

*
28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave
to your fathers; and ye shall be my people,
and I will be your God.


"But he answered and said, I am not sent but
unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Jesus IS Israel as revealed in the New Covenant. He is the loin from the tribe of Judah = unified Israel.
 
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.....we have no scriptures in the NT telling us to keep a Sabbath.

Matthew 4:4 (KJV)
But he answered and said, It is written,
Man shall not live by bread alone,
but by every word that proceedeth
out of the mouth of God.
 
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Matthew 4:4 (KJV)
But he answered and said, It is written,
Man shall not live by bread alone,
but by every word that proceedeth
out of the mouth of God.
Then you need to live according to the New Covenant that replaced the Ten Commandments according to God's word.
 
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Jesus IS Israel as revealed in the New Covenant. He is the loin from the tribe of Judah = unified Israel.
The new covenant is with the
house of Israel, and the house of Judah,
not a covenant with himself.

They will live in the land again.
 
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= the Church under the New Covenant.
Show me where the church is ever called the house
of Israel, and the house of Judah in the bible



31Then shall ye remember your own evil ways, and your doings that were not good, and [shall lothe yourselves] in your own sight for your iniquities and for your abominations.

38As the holy flock, as the flock of Jerusalem in her solemn feasts; so shall the waste cities be filled with flocks of men: and they shall know that I am the Lord.
 
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Show me where the church is ever called the house
of Israel, and the house of Judah in the bible



31Then shall ye remember your own evil ways, and your doings that were not good, and [shall lothe yourselves] in your own sight for your iniquities and for your abominations.

38As the holy flock, as the flock of Jerusalem in her solemn feasts; so shall the waste cities be filled with flocks of men: and they shall know that I am the Lord.
Jesus is called Israel by both Paul and Matthew. Along with believers.
 
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There is no Sabbath requirement in the New Covenant. No scripture = no faith = whatever is not of faith = sin.

1. Paul was a Pharisee. A teacher of God's law. He continued to call himself a Pharisee even after joining the church. (Acts 23:6)

Then Paul, knowing that some of them were Sadducees
and the others Pharisees,called out in the Sanhedrin,
"My brothers, I am a Pharisee, descended from Pharisees. I stand on trial because of the hope of the resurrection of the dead."

2. Paul loved God's law. It was a delight to him. (Romans 7:22) For I delight in the law of God,
in my inner being,


3. Paul called God's law holy. (Romans 7:12)
So then, the law is holy, and the commandment
is holy, righteous and good.

4. Paul knew that breaking God's law is the very definition of sin. (1 John 3:4) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

5. Paul said that we don't nullify the law of God by our faith in Jesus Christ.(Romans 3:31) Do we nullify the law by this faith? By no means! Rather we uphold the law.

6. Paul often read from the scriptures on the sabbath (which is kept by the apostles 84 times in the book of Acts). And the only scriptures at that time was the old testament.

(Acts 17:2) As was his custom, Paul went into the synagogue, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures.

7. Paul was accused of forsaking the law of Moses when he first joined the church. (And ironically, he's still being accused today.)

(Act 21:21) They have been informed that you teach all the Jews who live among the Gentiles to turn away from Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children or live according to our customs.

8. These accusations were shown to be false. (Acts 21:24) Take these men, join in their purification rites and pay their expenses, so that they can have their heads shaved. Then everyone will know there is no truth in these reports about you, but that you yourself are living in obedience to the law.

9. When Paul was accused of forsaking the law of Moses, he always denied this, and said he does live according to the law.

(Acts 24:14) But this I confess to you, that according to the Way, which they call a sect, I worship the God of our fathers, believing everything laid down by the Law and written in the Prophets,

10. Paul said that those who refuse to submit to the law are "carnal minded" and hostile to God. (Romans 8:7-8) The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God's law, nor can it do so. So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

11. Paul continued to travel to Jerusalem to celebrate God's feast days after joining the church. (Acts 18:21) But bade them farewell, saying, I must by all means keep this feast that cometh in Jerusalem: but I will return again unto you, if God will. And he sailed from Ephesus.

12. Paul often quoted from Moses's writings, and cited it as authority.(1 Corinthians 9:9-10) Do I say this merely on human authority? Doesn’t the Law say the same thing? For it is written in the Law of Moses:
“Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain.” Is it about oxen that God is concerned? Surely he says this for us, doesn’t he? Yes, this was written for us, because whoever plows and threshes should be able to do so in the hope of sharing in the harvest.

13. Paul claimed that ALL scripture is good for instruction in righteousness, and given through inspiration of God. He never singled out Moses' writings.(2 Timothy 3:16) All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,

14. Paul mentions that priests are still offering sacrifices to God even after Christ's death on
the cross. (Hebrews 8:3-4)

Every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices, and so it was necessary for this one also
to have something to offer.

If he were on earth, he would not be a priest,
for there are already priests who offer the gifts prescribed by the law.

15. The most well known teaching in Paul's letters is the one where he says "you are not under law but under grace".

Millions of people quote this scripture, they almost always leave out the scripture that immediately follows it. Watch what happens when you add the context....

(Romans 6:14-16) For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace. What then? Shall we sin because we are not under the law but under grace? By no means! Don't you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey--whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?

16. Paul told the Colossians not to let anyone judge them because they were observing God's sabbaths and feasts because these appointed times are "a shadow of things to come". Meaning they reveal future events, just like the passover foreshadowed Christ's sacrifice on the cross.(Colossians 2:16-17)

17. Paul never repremanded anyone for obeying God's law. Instead, he repremanded new gentile converts, the Galatians, who were trying to be justified by the law, instead of faith in Jesus Christ. (Galatians 2:16) Know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by
faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.

18. The Galatians, who Paul was repremanding for trying to be justified by the law, were going back to serving other gods after they were circumcised. This is why Paul had to explain that the works of the law can't earn your salvation.

(Galatians 4: 8-11) Formerly, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those who by nature are not gods. But now that you know God—or rather are known by God—how is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable forces? Do you wish
to be enslaved by them all over again? 10 You are observing special days and months
and seasons and years! I fear for you, that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you.

19. Paul understood that obedience to God's law is a natural result of salvation. Once you become a true christian, God writes His law on your heart and mind, and causes you to walk in them.(Hebrews 10:16)

(Hebrews 10:16) "This is the covenant I will make with them after that time, says the Lord. I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds."

20. Paul's letters come with a warning label attached to them. (2 Peter 3:16-17) He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters.His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.


Therefore, dear friends, since you have been forewarned, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of the lawless and fall from your secure position.
 
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1. Paul was a Pharisee. A teacher of God's law. He continued to call himself a Pharisee even after joining the church. (Acts 23:6)

Then Paul, knowing that some of them were Sadducees and the others Pharisees,
called out in the Sanhedrin, "My brothers, I am a Pharisee, descended from Pharisees.
I stand on trial because of the hope of the resurrection of the dead."

2. Paul loved God's law. It was a delight to him. (Romans 7:22) For I delight in the law of God,
in my inner being,


3. Paul called God's law holy. (Romans 7:12)
So then, the law is holy, and the commandment
is holy, righteous and good.

4. Paul knew that breaking God's law is the very definition of sin. (1 John 3:4) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

5. Paul said that we don't nullify the law of God by our faith in Jesus Christ.(Romans 3:31) Do we nullify the law by this faith? By no means! Rather we uphold the law.

6. Paul often read from the scriptures on the sabbath (which is kept by the apostles 84 times in the book of Acts). And the only scriptures at that time was the old testament.

(Acts 17:2) As was his custom, Paul went into the synagogue, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures.

7. Paul was accused of forsaking the law of Moses when he first joined the church. (And ironically, he's still being accused today.)

(Act 21:21) They have been informed that you teach all the Jews who live among the Gentiles to turn away from Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children or live according to our customs.

8. These accusations were shown to be false. (Acts 21:24) Take these men, join in their purification rites and pay their expenses, so that they can have their heads shaved. Then everyone will know there is no truth in these reports about you, but that you yourself are living in obedience to the law.

9. When Paul was accused of forsaking the law of Moses, he always denied this, and said he does live according to the law.

(Acts 24:14) But this I confess to you, that according to the Way, which they call a sect, I worship the God of our fathers, believing everything laid down by the Law and written in the Prophets,

10. Paul said that those who refuse to submit to the law are "carnal minded" and hostile to God. (Romans 8:7-8) The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God's law, nor can it do so. So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

11. Paul continued to travel to Jerusalem to celebrate God's feast days after joining the church. (Acts 18:21) But bade them farewell, saying, I must by all means keep this feast that cometh in Jerusalem: but I will return again unto you, if God will. And he sailed from Ephesus.

12. Paul often quoted from Moses's writings, and cited it as authority.(1 Corinthians 9:9-10) Do I say this merely on human authority? Doesn’t the Law say the same thing? For it is written in the Law of Moses:
“Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain.” Is it about oxen that God is concerned? Surely he says this for us, doesn’t he? Yes, this was written for us, because whoever plows and threshes should be able to do so in the hope of sharing in the harvest.

13. Paul claimed that ALL scripture is good for instruction in righteousness, and given through inspiration of God. He never singled out Moses' writings.(2 Timothy 3:16) All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,

14. Paul mentions that priests are still offering sacrifices to God even after Christ's death on
the cross. (Hebrews 8:3-4)

Every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices, and so it was necessary for this one also
to have something to offer.

If he were on earth, he would not be a priest,
for there are already priests who offer the gifts prescribed by the law.

15. The most well known teaching in Paul's letters is the one where he says "you are not under law but under grace".

Millions of people quote this scripture, they almost always leave out the scripture that immediately follows it. Watch what happens when you add the context....

(Romans 6:14-16) For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace. What then? Shall we sin because we are not under the law but under grace? By no means! Don't you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey--whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?

16. Paul told the Colossians not to let anyone judge them because they were observing God's sabbaths and feasts because these appointed times are "a shadow of things to come". Meaning they reveal future events, just like the passover foreshadowed Christ's sacrifice on the cross.(Colossians 2:16-17)

17. Paul never repremanded anyone for obeying God's law. Instead, he repremanded new gentile converts, the Galatians, who were trying to be justified by the law, instead of faith in Jesus Christ. (Galatians 2:16) Know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by
faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.

18. The Galatians, who Paul was repremanding for trying to be justified by the law, were going back to serving other gods after they were circumcised. This is why Paul had to explain that the works of the law can't earn your salvation.

(Galatians 4: 8-11) Formerly, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those who by nature are not gods. But now that you know God—or rather are known by God—how is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable forces? Do you wish
to be enslaved by them all over again? 10 You are observing special days and months
and seasons and years! I fear for you, that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you.

19. Paul understood that obedience to God's law is a natural result of salvation. Once you become a true christian, God writes His law on your heart and mind, and causes you to walk in them.(Hebrews 10:16)

(Hebrews 10:16) "This is the covenant I will make with them after that time, says the Lord. I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds."

20. Paul's letters come with a warning label attached to them. (2 Peter 3:16-17) He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters.His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.


Therefore, dear friends, since you have been forewarned, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of the lawless and fall from your secure position.
Paul said he lived without the law to those without the law. And according to the law to those with the law to reach them. But he was being hunted down for teaching against the law.
 
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