Whatever Happened to the Ten Commandments?

[eternally thankful]

Righteousness of obeying the law ended with Christ's death at Calvary, that included the Ten Commandments! What is written in the ten commandments(nine as written) is now written in the mind and placed on the heart of believers under the new covenant. So what is written in those commands remains intact, but not as a law that we all understand law to mean, for that comes with a penalty for transgression. Jesus paid for believers transgressions at Calvary, for he died for their sins
Therefore, every born again believer, in their heart does not want to commit adultery, bear false witness, murder, covet, take the Lords name in vain etc, for that is where the law has been placed, in their heart. The flesh is another matter entirely

 

[Dave L]

Righteousness of obeying the law ended with Christ's death at Calvary, that included the Ten Commandments! What is written in the ten commandments(nine as written) is now written vin the mind and placed on the heart of believers under the new covenant. So what is written in those commands remains intact, but not as a law that we all understand law to mean, for that comes with a penalty for transgression. Jesus paid for believers transgressions at Calvary, for he died for their sins
Therefore, every born again believer, in their heart does not want to commit adultery, bear false witness, murder, covet, take the Lords name in vain etc, the flesh is another matter entirely

Here's the picture. You know how you want others to treat you. People knew this long before the Ten Commandments. But nobody treats others as their equal. So this is the law written in the hearts that condemns all, for all time.

 

[eternally thankful]

Here's the picture. You know how you want others to treat you. People knew this long before the Ten Commandments. But nobody treats others as their equal. So this is the law written in the hearts that condemns all, for all time.

Here's the picture. Jesus died for believers sins/transgressions of the law. So why do believers not therefore have a licence to sin? Because the law is in their hearts and minds. What happens if you go against how you in your mind know you should live and in your heart want to live? You get struck with a severe conscience, and you have no rest, and no peace until you put right what you did wrong, in this case go to your father in heaven and tell him you are sorry for what you did. Then you get your peace back

 

[Dave L]

Here's the picture. Jesus died for believers sins/transgressions of the law. So why do believers not therefore have a licence to sin? Because the law is in their hearts and minds. What happens if you go against how you in your mind know you should live and in your heart want to live? You get struck with a severe conscience, and you have no rest, and no peace until you put right what you did wrong, in this case go to your father in heaven and tell him you are sorry for what you did. Then you get your peace back

You have the wrong Law. It's the Two Great Commandments, not the Ten that is written in the heart of trillions who never heard of the Ten Commandments.

 

[eternally thankful]

As for which law is in the believers hearts: Through the law we become conscious of sin Rom3:20
Anything that makes you conscious of sin if you commit it, is law that is written in your mind and placed on your heart. Would a believer only be conscious of sin specifically because they did not treat others as their equal? I've never met one.

 

[eternally thankful]

You have the wrong Law. It's the Two Great Commandments, not the Ten that is written in the heart of trillions who never heard of the Ten Commandments.

Anything that makes a believer conscious they sin if they do it is law written in the mind and placed on the heart: Through the law we become conscious of sin rom3:20

 

[Dave L]

Anything that makes a believer conscious they sin if they do it it is law written in the mind and placed on the heart: Through the law we become conscious of sin rom3:20

This law is the Two Great Commandments. The Ten only build pride in people like in the Pharisees. They felt good about themselves for not stealing when they wanted to. The Two Great Commandments call for love instead and loving people do not want to steal.

 

[Dave L]

As for which law is in the believers hearts: Through the law we become conscious of sin Rom3:20
Anything that makes you conscious of sin if you commit it, is law that is written in your mind and placed on your heart. Would a believer only be conscious of sin specifically because they did not treat others as their equal? I've never met one.

The fact that you need a law proves that you are aware that you need a law. But it's the awareness that condemns you. Good people don't need laws.

 

[eternally thankful]

This law is the Two Great Commandments. The Ten only build pride in people like in the Pharisees. They felt good about themselves for not stealing when they wanted to. The Two Great Commandments call for love instead and loving people do not want to steal.

You can argue against basic biblical facts if you like, for me it is pointless. And a basic biblical fact is: Through the law we become conscious of sin. So if a believer stole something, would they only be conscious they sinned by not loving as they should?
If a believer committed adultery, would they only be conscious they sinned because they did not love as they should? If a believer coveted, would they only be conscious they sinned by not loving as they should? We both know the answer to that don't we

 

[eternally thankful]

The fact that you need a law proves that you are aware that you need a law. But it's the awareness that condemns you. Good people don't need laws.

Awareness of law does not condemn the born again believer, for: Christ is the end of the law UNTO RIGHTEOUSNESS for everyone who believeth rom10:4

 

[Dave L]

You can argue against basic biblical facts if you like, for me it is pointless. And a basic biblical fact is: Through the law we become conscious of sin. So if a believer stole something, would they only be conscious they sinned by not loving as they should?
If a believer committed adultery, would they only be conscious they sinned because they did not love as they should? If a believer coveted, would they only be conscious they sinned by not loving as they should? We both know the answer to that don't we

It's the Law on the Heart that condemns all, long before the TCs were given and now after they are replaced by the law written on the heart.

 

[eternally thankful]

It's the Law on the Heart that condemns all, long before the TCs were given and now after they are replaced by the law written on the heart.

Bye, thanks for the chat

 

[tturt]

Jesus said observe the commandments "And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments .

Then He said
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself." MATT 19

Jesus said He is the Lord of the sabbath so it's not abolished in NT "And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: 28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath." Mark 2:27-28

 

[eternally thankful]

Jesus said observe the commandments "And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments .

Then He said
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself." MATT 19

Jesus said He is the Lord of the sabbath so it's not abolished in NT "And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: 28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath." Mark 2:27-28

As nine of the ten commandments, as written are now in the heart and mind of believers, they would not need to be told they should be followed

 

[Mingo Bible Believer]

As nine of the ten commandments, as written are now in the heart and mind of believers, they would not need to be told they should be followed

So right! In the new covenant, the commandments are written on the heart rather than on stone, so people do not need to be taught. But how do you get nine commandments out of Jesus's words in Matthew 19:18--19? I only count five.

 

[GingerBeer]

It seems that Paul's writings compose more of the New Testament than everyone else's put together.

No, not when you do a page count. John has a lot of pages, Luke has a lot. Matthew & Mark have quite a few, then the others trail off.

61 pages for John
84 for Paul
92 for Luke

As you can see Paul does not have more pages than the others put together, he doesn't even have more than Luke.

 

[GingerBeer]

Do I sense a bit of sarcasm?

No, you sense a question. That is as I intended it.

 

[Mingo Bible Believer]

1 John 2
1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.