Concerning the discipline of biblical archaeology...If anyone actually wants some evidence...

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Keyword...."many" which is subject to debate. Even if written by experts it is publicly edited all the time by anyone who logs in. Like I said, some students in history class put their teacher as a hero of the civil war on Wikipedia for a prank. It took six months to be corrected. Literally anyone can edit it, ANYONE!

Oo impressive, allcaps and an exclamation mark. That must mean you are right! Why trust the real data and investigations (quoted upthread) showing thst Wikipedia is in fact very good in accuracy when we can trust your anectdotal and totaly not made up case and allcaps and exclamation mark!
 
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Oh, I see; I assumed that now all major reference sources of note have been online for so long (including Britannica), you'd realise I was talking about an online reference rather than an out of date print copy in a library...

The latest, and apparently last, print edition of Britannica is only 10 years old, um, according to Wikipedia.
 
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Maam that would include quoting them. None of the such has happened yet. I simply said because of the lack of quoting citations on your part that there is no evidence of what you were saying and my response was accurate in stating that fact.

You want me to quote the experts who disagree with you? How can I do that when you were just going on a general rant against peer review in order to justify the position you claimed in post 104 that your opinion is just as valid as an expert's because peer review isn't enough to raise the validity of a scientific result above your own opinion.
 
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Oo impressive, allcaps and an exclamation mark. That must mean you are right! Why trust the real data and investigations (quoted upthread) showing thst Wikipedia is in fact very good in accuracy when we can trust your anectdotal and totaly not made up case and allcaps and exclamation mark!
How about this, if you can prove Wikipedia a valid source on the pages you are using it to site, then we will talk about it.
 
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Lots of people have tested the scientific method. It works just fine.
If you make a statement back it up with the scientific method. That is all I was asking of the other poster and you butted in asking me to back up with evidence using the scientific method that he didn't have evidence. Again you are asking me to prove someone else did not have evidence instead of reading back a page and realizing on your own that no evidence eas given by the other poster. This does not seem odd to you? So anyway, I am exhausted and frustrated with the posts from you that don't seem to be fully reading the thread at hand. Fully read all posts in the thread so when you make a comment it sounds like you are on the same page. It is frus rating to deal.with your posts, this is your last warning. In fact since I am not at a computer I cannot quote this entire conversation to bring you up to speed so I am just going to temporarily block you for a few days to let this air out then I will schedule your unblocling in a few days when I am able to help more with your posts. I am on a phone so I can't do much.
 
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How about this, if you can prove Wikipedia a valid source on the pages you are using it to site, then we will talk about it.
I can see from some of your other posts that you are finding several of these exchanges quite frustrating. You probably realise this is a feeling that is present on both sides of the discussion. You might wish to consider the following:

1. Wikipedia contains errors. No thoughtful person would deny this. So too does Encyclopedia Britannica and any other encyclopedia you care to mention.
2. The interesting and important thing is that these errors appear to be generally minor and do not prevent Wikipedia being considered a reliable source.
3. As others have suggested/pointed out, a strength of Wikipedia lies as much, or more, in the references than in text.

With that considered, do you still find Wikipedia to be an unreliable source, and if so, why?

Thank you for your attention.
 
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How about this, if you can prove Wikipedia a valid source on the pages you are using it to site, then we will talk about it.

Haha, no that is not how it works.

maybe you wanna use conservapedia?
 
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If you make a statement back it up with the scientific method. That is all I was asking of the other poster and you butted in asking me to back up with evidence using the scientific method that he didn't have evidence. Again you are asking me to prove someone else did not have evidence instead of reading back a page and realizing on your own that no evidence eas given by the other poster. This does not seem odd to you? So anyway, I am exhausted and frustrated with the posts from you that don't seem to be fully reading the thread at hand. Fully read all posts in the thread so when you make a comment it sounds like you are on the same page. It is frus rating to deal.with your posts, this is your last warning. In fact since I am not at a computer I cannot quote this entire conversation to bring you up to speed so I am just going to temporarily block you for a few days to let this air out then I will schedule your unblocling in a few days when I am able to help more with your posts. I am on a phone so I can't do much.

The scientific method is to form a hypothesis based on observations and then conduct a test to examine the validity of that hypothesis, using double blinds and controls, getting others to check your work to see if they can spot any mistakes, and other things to eliminate as much possibility of error as possible.

In the link to your post in the other thread, you just made a whole bunch of claims and said that peer review doesn't mean that it is valid, and that peer review is faith identical to that of religious faith. In later posts, you claimed that scientists can't prove anything objectively. And you just arbitrarily claimed that you were right. You haven't done a thing to back up these claims. I'm not asking you to provide the evidence for someone else's point of view. I'm asking you to provide evidence for your own.
 
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I can see from some of your other posts that you are finding several of these exchanges quite frustrating.

When the individual in question appears unwilling or unable to acquiesce something as basic as how words work, meaningful conversation seems impossible.
 
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Alexander is found in at least 5 major sources (Arrian, Plutarch, Diodorus Siculus, Quintus Curtius Rufus, and Justin) plus a few minor sources, so there goes your argument. There are also coins (as posted by @essentialsaltes ) and physical evidence.

The career of Alexander is also described, in the form of a prophetic vision, in Daniel 8:1-8 and Daniel 11:3-4, and is summarised in I Maccabees 1:1-8. Both of these books were written in the 2nd century BC.
 
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Haha, no that is not how it works.

maybe you wanna use conservapedia?
the burden of proof does not lie on the person making the claim to prove the source is a valid source? I like conservapedia, but I don't quote it in debate. Here let me help you find sources, I am just in a giving mood today....

https://scholar.google.com/
 
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I can see from some of your other posts that you are finding several of these exchanges quite frustrating. You probably realise this is a feeling that is present on both sides of the discussion. You might wish to consider the following:

1. Wikipedia contains errors. No thoughtful person would deny this. So too does Encyclopedia Britannica and any other encyclopedia you care to mention.
2. The interesting and important thing is that these errors appear to be generally minor and do not prevent Wikipedia being considered a reliable source.
3. As others have suggested/pointed out, a strength of Wikipedia lies as much, or more, in the references than in text.

With that considered, do you still find Wikipedia to be an unreliable source, and if so, why?

Thank you for your attention.
sorry sir I have you on block so I won't be adressing your posts, but I did post one more attempt at getting the poster to validate his sources in a respectable manner in my last post, I hope that helps. Take care.
 
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the burden of proof does not lie on the person making the claim to prove the source is a valid source? I like conservapedia, but I don't quote it in debate. Here let me help you find sources, I am just in a giving mood today....

https://scholar.google.com/

You like conservapedia?

Well then we never have to take you seriously.
 
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You like conservapedia?

Well then we never have to take you seriously.
well I should say I used to use it, I am not as conservative anymore. I am sort of in the middle politically speaking, I for instance think a wall is not a loving thing, keeping poor people out, is not a charitable action. I also think there should be some regulation of large business, which is sort of anti capitalistic. But other than that I agree with the rest. But unfortunately I don't fit the cookie cutter politics of today. I do recommend conservapedia, if all you do is read wikipedia. It's is sort of the opposite in some ways. I don't read news but if I did I would choose to read both liberal and conservative news sources, hopefully the truth is somewhere in the middle to two extremes. Everyone has bias, so if you assume there is left or right leaning bias, and you study to see it, you can relatively sift through content easily as see if a news source is leaning one way or the other. Wikipedia is really left leaning. Which I don't agree with either. But is just also happens to be very error ridden as well, due to being publicly edited by any one who logs in.
 
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sorry sir I have you on block so I won't be adressing your posts,
That's a pity. If we listen only to what we want to hear we shouldn't be surprised if our opinions are narrow, our viewpoint constrained and our own writing ignored. Let me know how that works out for you.
 
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You like conservapedia?

Well then we never have to take you seriously.

Kind of ironic to see someone constantly complaining about sources would actually suggest reading a site like conservapedia.

Just reading the conservapedia entry on "evolution", the whole thing reads like something you'd expect from The Onion.
 
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well I should say I used to use it, I am not as conservative anymore. I am sort of in the middle politically speaking, I for instance think a wall is not a loving thing, keeping poor people out, is not a charitable action. I also think there should be some regulation of large business, which is sort of anti capitalistic. But other than that I agree with the rest. But unfortunately I don't fit the cookie cutter politics of today. I do recommend conservapedia, if all you do is read wikipedia. It's is sort of the opposite in some ways. I don't read news but if I did I would choose to read both liberal and conservative news sources, hopefully the truth is somewhere in the middle to two extremes. Everyone has bias, so if you assume there is left or right leaning bias, and you study to see it, you can relatively sift through content easily as see if a news source is leaning one way or the other. Wikipedia is really left leaning. Which I don't agree with either. But is just also happens to be very error ridden as well, due to being publicly edited by any one who logs in.

its a wellknown fact that reality has a leftleaning bias.
 
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