What would you think of a pastor who used the pulpit to call an outside critic a 'moron?'

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Paidiske

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I fundamentally disagree with using the pulput for comedy. I can't imagine listening to a sermon on an important and meaty topic only to have it undercut by the preachet yucking it up at the end. Comedy trivializes the importance of preaching. I'm all for comedy in its place, a comedy club.

There's a difference, though, between "using the pulpit for comedy," and "using humour to strengthen your preaching." If someone's up the front just playing the sermon for laughs and not taking the whole thing seriously, of course that's wrong. But if someone is using some humour in a way which underlines his/her point, or strengthens the rhetoric, or the like... I don't see that as trivialising the importance of preaching but using the whole range of tools at their disposal to do it well.
 
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So if it could be determined that the guy is indeed a moron, the name calling is justified?
See IN SCRIPTURE "cretans" (liars?)


What does it mean that all Cretans are liars? | GotQuestions.org

"Question: "What does it mean that all Cretans are liars?"

Answer: The declaration “all Cretans are liars” is found in Titus 1:12. Crete is an island in the Mediterranean where Paul had preached and where many were converted to Christianity. In his letter to Titus, the apostle Paul told him that the reason he left him in Crete was to “straighten out what was left unfinished and appoint elders in every town” (Titus 1:5). New churches were being formed, and the appointment of godly leaders to oversee them was a priority for Paul.

Beginning in Titus 1:6, Paul details for Titus the qualifications for elders, one of which is the ability to “encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it” (verse 9). He goes on to say that in Crete there were many rebellious people and deceivers who must be silenced as they were teaching falsehood for financial gain (verses 10–11). At that point, Paul quotes a famous Cretan who wrote, “Cretans are always liars, evil brutes, lazy gluttons” (verse 12). That writer was Epimenides of Gnossus, a seventh-century BC poet, prophet, and native Cretan who characterized his own people as liars.

Epimenides wasn’t the only one to describe Cretans in this way. Other ancient writers and philosophers concurred, and Paul’s assessment serves to confirm the Cretans’ character to be generally evil."
 
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Epimenides wasn’t the only one to describe Cretans in this way. Other ancient writers and philosophers concurred, and Paul’s assessment serves to confirm the Cretans’ character to be generally evil."
It sounds like you're saying that calling someone a moron is no different or no worse than calling an evil person evil.
 
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It sounds like you're saying that calling someone a moron is no different or no worse than calling an evil person evil.
Everywhere in Scripture, everything is called what it is, including apostates/ false teachers/ cursed teachers, and so on.

The truth is sometimes (or often) blunt and hurts (without scourging, no one is God's child) , "open rebuke is BETTER than hidden (quiet) love" ....
 
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The major church ministry this Christmas is to single moms in the city. The pastor decided to share some of the emails the church had received from people who knew about the effort, but were cynical. One man said, "How about single dads?" Another said, "You just want to get their money," presumably meaning, 'you just want to get them attending the church so they'll give regularly to the offering.'

The pastor then offered up to the congregation what he would have LIKED to have told the 2nd person....."THEY DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY...(pause).....YOU MORON!" and the place busted out in laughter.

I would describe it as a smaller church, with a pastor that has an above average sense of humor, always trying to be funny at some point in most sermons. At such times, I usually am first and loudest to laugh, but didn't laugh this time. I was tired, not having had enough sleep, plus it wasn't funny to me.

Most churches I've been in are much larger, and I can't imagine their pastors even mentioning apparent outsider hate email from the pulpit, much less resorting to name calling. Such outsiders must have been people at home who watch live over the Internet, or follow on social media. No one in attendance would have been the people being critical via email.

Do you think the pastor was out of line, or would you just chalk it up to human nature? He may have been using the congregation to vent frustrations. But still.....

P.S. - I wouldn't have put it past the pastor to have completely made up both stories. There is another instance in which I think he was lying to me about the issue of who exactly gets and reads the email that goes to the church's main 'info' email address. Unlike some much larger churches in town that I know of, they won't put the pastor email addresses and photos on their staff web page.
Honestly, people have too thin a skin these days. If the pastor had used profanities and vulgar language, yeah, I could see where that might be a problem on Sunday mornings.

But his language is mild while his point is valid. I see no problem with what he said. I'm sure there's somebody out there with virgin ears or something who might be upset about what the pastor said. And I'm glad, I hope they're mad. It's good for their circulation, really.
 
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