Why judge and rebuke Donald Trump?

durangodawood said:

What like the Russian voters?

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Russian elections are a joke. It is NOT the voters' fault when the elections serve only to provide the illusion of a democracy. And I've got news for you: 2016 was a Russian election.

You can be in North Korea, and there is one name on the ballot. You can either vote for him or against him--and write your name down on the ballot. The votes are counted to determine your loyalty level.

cow451 said:

It is quite patriotic to call out lying, cheating, stealing, grifting, possibly treasonous individuals like Donald J. Trump.

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If Donald cannot be held accountable, then nobody can be held accountable. And if nobody can be held accountable, then why have morals at all?

durangodawood said:

Non-voters do too.

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Non-voters get the same politicians you do, but at least non-voters can say: “I am not responsible for this.”

TLK Valentine said:

Well, Donald has lusted in his mind in the past (and most likely the present), so I certainly wouldn't fault him for that... if that was where it ended.

However, it's an established matter of public record that Donald has acted on his lust on several occassions. He has broken his marriage vows and committed adultery with four separate women that we know of... quite the achievement for a man with only three wives...

So you see, one does not rebuke Donald for lusting in his mind... but he has nobody to blame but himself for including his groin in the process.

The same goes for all the other sins. What Donald has in his heart, he will answer to God for. What he has done, he will answer to Man for...

...and answer to Woman for as well, if Speaker Pelosi has anything to say about it... which she does.

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Man... who are sinners. How can a sinner judge the soul of a sinner? This is rebellion against God.

cow451 said:

It is quite patriotic to call out lying, cheating, stealing, grifting, possibly treasonous individuals like Donald J. Trump.

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Patriotism is vile when your country is founded on atheism and Godless revolution.

KarlKarlingIII said:

Man... who are sinners. How can a sinner judge the soul of a sinner? This is rebellion against God.

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Sure only God can judge the souls of folks but the rest of us can and should judge actions, as part of discernment.

KarlKarlingIII said:

Non-voters get the same politicians you do, but at least non-voters can say: “I am not responsible for this.”

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Got that backwards. The folks who can vote but make the choice not to out of self-focus are more responsible, not less.

KarlKarlingIII said:

Non-voters get the same politicians you do, but at least non-voters can say: “I am not responsible for this.”

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Ah, but they are responsible... Evil triumphs when good people do nothing.

KarlKarlingIII said:

Man... who are sinners. How can a sinner judge the soul of a sinner? This is rebellion against God.

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Nobody is judging Trump's soul ... we're judging his performance ...

KarlKarlingIII said:

Man... who are sinners. How can a sinner judge the soul of a sinner? This is rebellion against God.

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You keep oscilating faster than a pulsar.

Ok, adultery, in mind or flesh, is not illegal in the USA (well, ok, it depends on which state you live in). That doesn't keep Christians from "judging" people on that... when it suits them. Like, when a leader of the opposing party does it.

But, hey, ok, Christians are sinners too, and so it seems that all these Christians who do judge others for things like adultery, homosexuality, cohabitation or using birth control are in "rebellion against God". If you consider them so... fine. I am sure they reciprocate.

But then again you want to see people punished for doing illegal things... and I guess, you want that even if "God's law" hasn't anything to say about it. Like, for raping children. Or drug dealing. Or jaywalking. You are not an "anarchist". There must be law and order. "God's justice" must be executed.

Ok then... cheating on your financial deal is a legal offence. So is sexual assault. And a president is subject to some other rules that are not literally "illegal".
And all the prosecutors and investigators and judges who deal with that legal stuff are also "sinners". But still they can "judge" the illegal deeds of other sinners.

And finally, there is still the problem of "judging" people based on competence. This has nothing to do with "soul" or legal matters. It is simply an evaluation if someone is up to the task they are meant to do.
Trump - the sinner - does that all the time. He judges people constantly. He fires people constantly.

I guess you are also on his Twitter, and tell him that he is in rebellion to God because of that?

KarlKarlingIII said:

Man... who are sinners. How can a sinner judge the soul of a sinner? This is rebellion against God.

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Nevertheless, Donald will answer before God (at the Judgement) after he answers before Man (at the Impeachment).

As Donald has never demonstrated an ounce of repentance for his sins, and is slowly losing his allies in the Senate, it remains to be seen if either of those tribunals will show him mercy.

Tom Farebrother said:

Nothing strange about it - what does your or my thinking 'mass death is terrible' actually achieve? Nothing at all. We do respond however to what we see and experience in front of us, as a general rule. I can do nothing about pretty much anything that happens on a grand scale and whether or not I think it is 'bad' has zero relevance to anything at all, and makes zero difference to anyone, however being able to respond to people in need as a result of the world's complex and violent milleu is something I can do.

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It does matter. The world needs Christian voices more than ever. Give yourself some credit. Jesus said that "you are a light of the world....Let your light shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father in heaven." But it's a dim light when we can't even call attention to the victims of war or are told to pay attention to smaller things only.

TLK Valentine said:

Nevertheless, Donald will answer before God (at the Judgement) after he answers before Man (at the Impeachment).

As Donald has never demonstrated an ounce of repentance for his sins, and is slowly losing his allies in the Senate, it remains to be seen if either of those tribunals will show him mercy.

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Just curious.. Impeachment for what? For asking for an investigation on why Joe Biden pushed his own way into the Ukrainian government and got an official fired? He didn't even ask for a "conviction". Just an investigation to find if there was any wrong at all, and people lose their minds anyways. Apparently Biden is so untouchable that you can't even ask about him. While asking about him turns you into the greater evil.

How would you like it if you reported a possible (just for example) domestic abuse crime down your street, but you yourself were turned into the greater evil for simply reporting it? And would you enjoy it if random people popped out of nowhere and commented with bizarre giddiness at your conviction... for your non-crime of just asking about someone else's crime?

Mind you, people call this official a mere "prosecutor". He was no mere prosecutor. He was the equivalent of their Attorney General. Regardless of why Biden did it, it's a sad thing in and of itself that Americans (as complete foreigners) can strong arm another government to the level of firing their Attorney General.

straykat said:

It does matter. The world needs Christian voices more than ever. Give yourself some credit. Jesus said that "you are a light of the world....Let your light shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father in heaven." But it's a dim light when we can't even call attention to the victims of war or are told to pay attention to smaller things only.

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What about the Kurdish victims of war who died horribly as a direct result of Trump’s incompetence? Are we allowed to call attention to them?

Kentonio said:

What about the Kurdish victims of war who died horribly as a direct result of Trump’s incompetence? Are we allowed to call attention to them?

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I'd like to know more about them first. If they exist, then sure. But we've already been fooled by the media on some things about this. Like ABC posting this alarming video of the supposed "firefight" of Turks attacking Kurds. It turns out it was a recreational event at a Kentucky gun range (ABC said it was an "accident", but the video is edited and hues are changed to look different from the original. This wasn't an accident. They were intentionally try to fool people, and simply got called out on it). And the woman with the child that was supposedly killed by Turks? The kid is blinking in the video. The only thing I should feel sorry for is the drug they gave the child to keep sitting still.

I think you underestimate how untrustworthy people are who want to STAY in wars.. vs people who want to get out. I'm not just defending Trump here either. I'm more of a Tulsi Gabbard supporter, actually. And she's smeared for all the same things.

KarlKarlingIII said:

Non-voters get the same politicians you do, but at least non-voters can say: “I am not responsible for this.”

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Non voters cannot say that. They could have voted for someone else, but didnt.

KarlKarlingIII said:

Patriotism is vile when your country is founded on atheism and Godless revolution.

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The US was founded on atheism and Godless revolution?

straykat said:

Just curious.. Impeachment for what? For asking for an investigation on why Joe Biden pushed his own way into the Ukrainian government and got an official fired?

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Joe Biden acted as an agent of the United States government. His actions were totally in concert with Obama's official foreign policy ... and were part of a coordinated effort by the US and her European allies to root out corruption in Ukraine. Joe was not a lone wolf.

Further, a previous investigation into the owner of the gas company Burisma had been dropped two years before Hunter Biden was hired by the company.

KarlKarlingIII said:

Non-voters get the same politicians you do, but at least non-voters can say: “I am not responsible for this.”

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Ah, the Pontius Pilate gambit.....very clever...

Kristopher Kolumbus said:

Many opponents of Donald Trump judge him for his imperfections. They rebuke him for unproven allegations of adultery, claim he is a corrupt liar, or castigate him for wanting to secure our borders with a wall. Romans 5:6 says that Christ died for the ungodly. Which is to say, Christ didn’t come to redeem the righteous; he came to redeem the unrighteous. Everyone is in need of the redemptive power of Jesus: you, me, Trump, and indeed all of us. Therefore, the question must be raised: Why is it fair for anyone to judge our great president because of his imperfections? Aren't we all sinners?

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Apparently "The Donald" and his followers are still operating under the illusion that he alone can be President without being the subject of criticism!

Where was "Kristopher Kolumbus" and his "Why is it fair for anyone to judge our great president because of his imperfections?" message for those 5 years when Trump was the spokesman for the "birther" movement questioning Barrack Obama's constitutional right to hold office?

jgarden said:

Apparently "The Donald" and his followers are still operating under the illusion that he alone can be President without being the subject of criticism!

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I'd kindly suggest you need some balance and perspective. You can't rightly say all followers of Trump don't believe he should be challenged about any one thing.