Why judge and rebuke Donald Trump?

[cow451]

You guys can stop debating this, I'm pretty sure we're not going to see anymore of OP. He achieved this goal of stirring you up.

Is the poster’s middle initial K?

 

[Nithavela]

Is the poster’s middle initial K?

I guess we will never know.

 

[cow451]

I guess we will never know.

Krap!

 

[Tom 1]

those who share your hatred

On what planet is criticism 'hatred'? Do you hate the Bidens?

when it's only a recent paradigm started after WW2 and the Marshall plan.

I don't get what you are trying to say, do you mean something like before that countries didn't interact?

 

[Tom 1]

Can you honestly think of any form of globalism in practice that didn't involve my own country's intrusion?

There's no such thing as the assertion of power in the world without some intrusion on someone else, and there is no such thing as a country that doesn't try to exert power and control, it's nothing more than a question of degree. The idea that a country can operate as if it wasn't part of a global economy is mythical, it has no actual state of existence in reality.

 

[KCfromNC]

Like the Russian voters? There's only one name on the ballot.

There's no evidence the Russian interference in the 2016 election to help Donald get elected included significant amounts of illegal voting by non citizens. Instead, the Russians used social media platforms to spread propaganda targeted at particular types of voters.

In other news, totally unrelated to anything which might be happening in this thread, there are credible reports they're ramping up efforts for 2020.

 

[KCfromNC]

Patriotism is vile when your country is founded on atheism and Godless revolution.

I'm not sure that's totally fair - not all of the leaders of the US revolution were non-believers.

 

[KCfromNC]

I clearly tried to read it to quickly.

And it reflected perfectly, at the very best, it's opinion against opinion.

No, it is a claim made in a previous post that can't seem to survive even the slightest bit of critical inquiry.

 

[TLK Valentine]

I'm not sure that's totally fair - not all of the leaders of the US revolution were non-believers.

Fortunately enough of them were... how else were we going to shake the God-ordained rule of George III?

 

[Kenny'sID]

No, it is a claim made in a previous post that can't seem to survive even the slightest bit of critical inquiry.

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I can't seem to put your comment together with that to which you replied? When you say "no" what exactly in my post are you disagreeing with?

 

[ViaCrucis]

Romans 5:6 says that Christ died for the ungodly.

Which, of course, isn't a justification for behaving badly.

"What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? Absolutely not!" - Romans 6:1-2a

The Gospel is not an excuse for sin, it is the good news that our sins are forgiven. It does not free us from dealing with the consequences of our bad behavior in this life, it does not give us a license to act however we want without any repercussions. It is Coram Deo our Justification in Christ. Coram Mundo we are still held accountable for every word and action we do and say.

As such the one who has faith, now justified freely by God's grace on Christ's account, has the imputed righteousness of Christ and therefore is held as righteous by God; but is still accountable to the world and the temporal justice of man. Further, while the condemnation of the Law has been abrogated, for we have been clothed with the righteousness of Christ; the Law is not dead. The Law continues, not only in providing the proper way of life in which we ought to live toward our neighbor, but also as the mirror which reveals our own shortcomings and continued sin. It is for this reason that the Law continues to drive us to our knees in repentance, as we behold the injustice of our actions in light of justice. The Gospel is our one and only sanctuary, for here the sinner has mercy, of a God of love who does not condemn, but who saves the sinful and the broken.

And it is this Law-and-Gospel dialectic which serves to crucify the old man, and give life to the new. The old dying, drowning in repentance and the new living in the freedom of Jesus Christ. That the sinner-saint might both die and live; be crucified with Christ and live in Christ. Here is the cross which we must carry as disciples of Jesus Christ, "working out our salvation in fear and trembling" as the Apostle puts it. God's grace carrying us as we die and seek God's kingdom, loving our neighbor, feeding the hungry, caring for the widow and the orphan, welcoming the immigrant, clothing the naked, forgiving our enemies, turning the other cheek, and being the disciple of Jesus in this world.

You don't get to simply pluck Romans 5:6 and say, "Hey, you don't get to say Donald did bad things", the Gospel does not excuse sin. It forgives it. It forgives it because it is the Suffering and Death of Jesus Christ, the loving mercy of God poured out for the whole world, to love, rescue, and heal it. Mercy is not an excuse to sin, mercy is the ground by which we must now reckon ourselves dead to sin and alive to God (Romans 6:2).

In light of our Baptism, having been washed with the water of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit (Titus 3:5), we have been invited and brought into a life of unity and communion with God in Christ by the power of the Spirit; so that as a people marked by Jesus we go out into the world to love and serve. To "do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God" (Micah 6:8). Beating our swords into plows, and our spears into pruning shears (Isaiah 2:4), as a people of Christ, living peaceably with all "inasmuch as it is up to [us]" (Romans 12:18).

If you want to bring theology into this, then let us do our theology correctly.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[mnorian]

Mod hat on

this thread has been permanently closed due to multiple flames and goading.
Hat off.

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