New psychology research links conservative music, but not rebellious music, to maladaptive personali

bfdd6988 · Sep 30, 2019

New psychology research links conservative music, but not rebellious music, to maladaptive personality traits

"Intense and rebellious music genres such as rap and heavy metal do not appear to be linked to maladaptive personality traits in American adults, according to new research published in the journal Psychology of Music. But the study did uncover some modest links between certain entertainment media preferences and problematic tendencies such as negative emotionality and psychoticism."

public hermit · Sep 30, 2019

How is a "modest link" not simply a correlation with no scientific import? IMHO, they shouldn't publish this stuff until they have hard data. This is what is so aggravating about "studies."

A correlation can be established between virtually anything. Everyday I go outside for my lunch break to eat my peanut butter sandwhich. At the same time everyday, as I bite my peanut butter sandwich, another employee starts their car and it backfires. If I didn't know much about peanut butter sandwiches or backfiring cars I might mistake this correlation for something interesting: "How interesting, every time I eat my sandwich that car backfires. Hmm."

Besides, everybody knows there's something wrong with people who like country music.

(kidding)

WolfGate · Sep 30, 2019

Nothing wrong with presenting correlations as long as they are clearly indicated to be just that. Doing so is an acceptable step that can help other researchers determine their paths of research if they are interested in advancing knowledge of the topic. If they didn't publish their findings and kept it all to themselves, the ability for other researchers to pick up and validate/invalidate or continue their research would be lost. I scanned this article and the article was pretty clear that this were not claiming a cause/effect relationship and stated even the correlation was weak. Pretty much what they should do.

The problem occurs when people read a correlation and attach cause and effect to it when that doesn't exist - but that is not a problem with the research.

public hermit · Sep 30, 2019

WolfGate said:
Nothing wrong with presenting correlations as long as they are clearly indicated to be just that. Doing so is an acceptable step that can help other researchers determine their paths of research if they are interested in advancing knowledge of the topic. If they didn't publish their findings and kept it all to themselves, the ability for other researchers to pick up and validate/invalidate or continue their research would be lost. I scanned this article and the article was pretty clear that this were not claiming a cause/effect relationship and stated even the correlation was weak. Pretty much what they should do.

The problem occurs when people read a correlation and attach cause and effect to it when that doesn't exist - but that is not a problem with the research.

Good point.

durangodawood · Sep 30, 2019

Chadrho said:
How is a "modest link" not simply a correlation with no scientific import? IMHO, they shouldn't publish this stuff until they have hard data. This is what is so aggravating about "studies."

A correlation can be established between virtually anything. Everyday I go outside for my lunch break to eat my peanut butter sandwhich. At the same time everyday, as I bite my peanut butter sandwich, another employee starts their car and it backfires. If I didn't know much about peanut butter sandwiches or backfiring cars I might mistake this correlation for something interesting: "How interesting, every time I eat my sandwich that car backfires. Hmm."

Besides, everybody knows there's something wrong with people who like country music. (kidding)

Well I'm not sure PBJ's and automotive problems are interrelated quite the same way as human personality and music choices.

Plus, you have not established this corellation. Its fiction. You say we can establish a corellation between anything. Well I cant establish one between my lunchtime and my neighbors vehicular problems. So I'm disinclined to believe you.

essentialsaltes · Sep 30, 2019

Chadrho said:
How is a "modest link" not simply a correlation with no scientific import? IMHO, they shouldn't publish this stuff until they have hard data.

A meaningful correlation is hard data.

essentialsaltes · Sep 30, 2019

Pull quote:

Conservative music such as country and gospel, along with faith-based movie genres, “were linked to traits that capture neurotic, hostile, and eccentric tendencies,” Blagov said.

durangodawood · Sep 30, 2019

bfdd6988 said:
New psychology research links conservative music, but not rebellious music, to maladaptive personality traits....

I question the designation "rebellious music".

Metal? Rap? Please. Those are practically conformist anymore. When's the last time we had actual rebellious music?..... early rocknroll? Woody Guthrie? Stravinsky?

public hermit · Sep 30, 2019

essentialsaltes said:
A meaningful correlation is hard data.

Maybe I'm misusing the phrase "hard data." I was assuming it referred to data with a low probability of being overturned, retracted, or "debunked." Do you remember when the study came out showing that conservative political beliefs were correlated or "linked" with psychotic traits? Well, that has been put into question. Would you consider the initial claims or correlations of that study as hard data, even though it has been shown dubious? Is every correlation considered hard data until shown otherwise? I don't know, maybe so.

Conservative political beliefs not linked to psychotic traits, as study claimed

durangodawood · Sep 30, 2019

I think contemporary country music makes you psychotic. It does with me, anyway.

dzheremi · Sep 30, 2019

What do they mean by 'conservative' music genres? I don't think of country as being particularly 'conservative' as a genre. If it were, people here wouldn't be complaining about how modern country is so terrible, right? (Because presumably there'd be less to distinguish modern country from older country in a negative fashion.)

public hermit · Sep 30, 2019

dzheremi said:
What do they mean by 'conservative' music genres? I don't think of country as being particularly 'conservative' as a genre. If it were, people here wouldn't be complaining about how modern country is so terrible, right? (Because presumably there'd be less to distinguish modern country from older country in a negative fashion.)

They mention country and gospel as being 'conservative' in the article. But, you make a good point. I'm one of those who like the older country, 'outlaw' country, but not much of the modern 'pop' country. It's not a homogenous genre.

That Guy 11200 · Sep 30, 2019

Chadrho said:
How is a "modest link" not simply a correlation with no scientific import? IMHO, they shouldn't publish this stuff until they have hard data. This is what is so aggravating about "studies."

A correlation can be established between virtually anything. Everyday I go outside for my lunch break to eat my peanut butter sandwhich. At the same time everyday, as I bite my peanut butter sandwich, another employee starts their car and it backfires. If I didn't know much about peanut butter sandwiches or backfiring cars I might mistake this correlation for something interesting: "How interesting, every time I eat my sandwich that car backfires. Hmm."

Besides, everybody knows there's something wrong with people who like country music. (kidding)

Remember that just because these researchers have gone this far, it doesn't mean they necessarily have the funding to continue.

Ultimately, scientists report their findings so that other scientists can see them. Those other scientists may then decide - based on their understanding of statistics and that area of science - to do a follow-up study specifically focusing on that 'modest' finding.

"If I have seen further it is by standing on the shoulders of Giants." - Isaac Newton

What Newton meant by that was that other people before him had advanced our knowledge to a stage where he could then advance our knowledge to the next stage. Not every study will lead to further advancement, but some will.

dzheremi · Sep 30, 2019

Chadrho said:
They mention country and gospel as being 'conservative' in the article. But, you make a good point. I'm one of those who like the older country, 'outlaw' country, but not much of the modern 'pop' country. It's not a homogenous genre.

I would assume that they mean "listened to by people who are stereotyped as being politically conservative", but that seems really silly as a premise, as though artists can successfully curate their fanbases so as to make sure that only people with certain political stances can listen to or enjoy their music, or as though the artists themselves should embody the stances that go along with the stereotypes about fans of their music. Alice Cooper, the grandfather of 'shock rock' is, in reality, a born again Christian:

So is the lead guitarist of the more modern heavy metal band Korn:

On the other side, I think we can all remember the Dixie Chicks' comments about President George W. Bush, and Tim McGraw has been criticized (not always entirely accurately) for supporting Obama.

durangodawood · Sep 30, 2019

dzheremi said:
....Alice Cooper, the grandfather of 'shock rock' is, in reality, a born again Christian...

No more Mr not-nice guy.

iluvatar5150 · Sep 30, 2019

dzheremi said:
I would assume that they mean "listened to by people who are stereotyped as being politically conservative",

I wouldn't assume that, though I imagine that their definition is a bit silly either way. My wife gets access to a bunch of journals, so I'll see if I can grab her login credentials tonight and look up how they define "conservative".

WolfGate · Sep 30, 2019

iluvatar5150 said:
I wouldn't assume that, though I imagine that their definition is a bit silly either way. My wife gets access to a bunch of journals, so I'll see if I can grab her login credentials tonight and look up how they define "conservative".

That would be interesting. When you only get to see a writer's synopsis of technical research language on a study he didn't conduct it's really hard to tell what the authors meant.

SLP · Oct 2, 2019

essentialsaltes said:
Pull quote:

Conservative music such as country and gospel, along with faith-based movie genres, “were linked to traits that capture neurotic, hostile, and eccentric tendencies,” Blagov said.

One need only look at the popularity of movies like 'American Sniper' and the 'God's Not Dead' series to see this.

anna ~ grace · Oct 2, 2019

bfdd6988 said:
New psychology research links conservative music, but not rebellious music, to maladaptive personality traits

"Intense and rebellious music genres such as rap and heavy metal do not appear to be linked to maladaptive personality traits in American adults, according to new research published in the journal Psychology of Music. But the study did uncover some modest links between certain entertainment media preferences and problematic tendencies such as negative emotionality and psychoticism."

Interesting.

Because I remember listening to lots and lots of music in the 90's which had the message "I'm a mess and everything's messed up" and becoming more and more isolated, hostile, anti-social, bitter, sarcastic, cynical, and rude, and believing that all of this was a normal response to reality and to society, and made me cool, awake, and interesting.

I wouldn't have had any time for Gospel. Would have shut that right off.

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