Christian churches supporting Trump

lol! @brinny I better be quiet before I push my luck!

Pedra said:

lol! @brinny I better be quiet before I push my luck!

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LOL!

Redwingfan9 said:

I don't need to leftwing press to tell me anything about Trump. I'm a conservative, borderline libertarian. I'm not wasting my time on msnbc and cnn.

Trump waves homosexual flags at his rallies. He lies on a frequent basis. There is nothing about him that demonstrates any sort of Christianity, certainly not in the way he deals with his opponents. He's constantly picking unnecessary fights.

Doing some nominal things like having the Lord's prayer recited is meaningless. Richard Burton, one of Elizabeth Taylor's husbands, knew scripture frontward and backward but didn't believe it. Anyone can recite the Lord's prayer but if you aren't a believer it's recited in vain.

Scripture says we will know God's people by the fruits and by any objective standard Trump bares no fruit of Christ.

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Oh well, I will not try to change your view but I disagree with you completely.
I know that the LORD God is sovereign and is WHO miraculously put Donald Trump in the White house in an answer to Christian prayer to hold back the evil for just a brief time longer, that is waiting to take over.

brinny said:

LOL!

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“I would rather stand against the cannons of the wicked than against the prayers of the righteous.” ~Thomas Lye

“I fear his prayers more than I do the armies of my enemies,” ~Queen Mary (speaking of John Knox)

"The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much." ~Jam 5:16

AMEN! to that!!

Pedra said:

Oh well, I will not try to change your view but I disagree with you completely.
I know that the LORD God is sovereign and is WHO miraculously put Donald Trump in the White house in an answer to Christian prayer to hold back the evil for just a brief time longer, that is waiting to take over.

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I don't deny the sovereignty of God. He has judged our wicked nation with both Obama and Trump. The next one will be worse.

Pedra said:

“I would rather stand against the cannons of the wicked than against the prayers of the righteous.” ~Thomas Lye

“I fear his prayers more than I do the armies of my enemies,” ~Queen Mary (speaking of John Knox)

"The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much." ~Jam 5:16

AMEN! to that!!

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Amen and amen!!!

ChrisBirchLondon said:

Im a British Christian involved in the Hillsong church here in London. I’m politically active because I don’t think you can be a Christian and not take part and highlight issues.

Seeing the evangelical church support Trump has been a constant painful experience as non Christian friends simply cannot comphrehend why Christians would support such an individual who is clearly not Christian.

Due to the influence of the us on the world and trumps policies which are damaging international issues such as climate change I feel we as a church should be doing what we can to question the leaders in the us who support trump and bring about change within our church.

I’d love to hear from Christians who support trump and what your bible based reasoning is, and those who feel action needs to be taken and how we can do that responsibly and with love. Criticising and telling church leaders they are wrong is a difficult concept but has its precedence in the New Testament when many churches went off the tracks.

We must live by the standards of Jesus. If you truly ask yourself if Jesus would act like Trump the answer can only be a clear no.

This is not a discussion to throw hatred but to find out what is driving Christian trump supporters and how we as a church can act to make change

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The political mindset of the United States and the UK is quite different. We share a common history (well, till 1776) and language but there are deep differences. Start with that 1776 business. Our nation was born out of armed rebellion against your king. While much of that antipathy is in the past, the culture those events created still exists. Our nation was also settled by people seeking religious freedom from the Church of England. Those two historic facts help explain why the Church is still strong in America today, and all but dead in England. It also explains why you've given up your firearms and we refuse to.

Under our system, there's a very strong undercurrent that the president is our employee, not our ruler. I voted for Donald Trump. I sent him to Washington to accomplish some specific things on a policy front. Furthermore, he was the only candidate in both major political parties in 2016 that even bothered to give lip service to those policy issues. He's accomplished some of those things and failed to accomplish others. I may vote for him again in 2016, so long as he doesn't sign any legislation weakening the second amendment. Just as I wouldn't question a guy who I hired to mow my lawn about his religious beliefs, I'm not that concerned that Trump is more of a Samson than a David. Speaking of David, he added murder to the adultery that Trump is guilty of.

Oh, and speaking of the UK...how's that three-year delayed Brexit vote working out for you? Whether you agree or disagree with Brexit, the fact that your government has decided to simply ignore the democratic results of a lawful referendum should be quite concerning. If that happened here, I'm sure bullets would be flying in short order.

ChrisBirchLondon said:

Im a British Christian involved in the Hillsong church here in London. I’m politically active because I don’t think you can be a Christian and not take part and highlight issues.

Seeing the evangelical church support Trump has been a constant painful experience as non Christian friends simply cannot comphrehend why Christians would support such an individual who is clearly not Christian.

Due to the influence of the us on the world and trumps policies which are damaging international issues such as climate change I feel we as a church should be doing what we can to question the leaders in the us who support trump and bring about change within our church.

I’d love to hear from Christians who support trump and what your bible based reasoning is, and those who feel action needs to be taken and how we can do that responsibly and with love. Criticising and telling church leaders they are wrong is a difficult concept but has its precedence in the New Testament when many churches went off the tracks.

We must live by the standards of Jesus. If you truly ask yourself if Jesus would act like Trump the answer can only be a clear no.

This is not a discussion to throw hatred but to find out what is driving Christian trump supporters and how we as a church can act to make change

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Rom.13:1 says the Lord appoints all the leaders of the world - whether you like them or not - for His purpose. If You care to protest this, take a look at verse 2, if you resist the power and authority ordained by God, you will be judged.
God is sovereign. Everything is under control. He has allowed evil, for a purpose and He blessed us with good as well. All countries (And btw, you can examine the prime example of Israel), have had good kings/leaders and bad.
I for one see the good that Trump has done in our country. We have a strong economy, the best ever many would say. We have the lowest unemployment rate and among minorities as well. The stock market is double than the sluggish market and over all growth the country had during the Obama administration.
Basically he has lowered corporate taxes, reduced stiff regulations, been putting a stop to unfair trade and many countries taking advantage of our wealth, just because they think we owe them.
Obama's message to the rich, was to pay their fair share. Well the top 10% pay 70% of the taxes, the bottom half pay nothing.
So the message from Trump to the world is - TAKE CARE OF YOURSELVES, DONT LEAN ON US ANYMORE AND PAY YOUR OWN SHARE.
CHINA may play ball with our new trade deals, if not, WE WILL FIND OTHER COUNTRIES TO REPLACE THEM. I've been hoping for this to happen - to wean ourselves off Chinese products. Besides, they have low standards, have even tried to poison our toys with lead and so be careful, ultimately, they want to rule the world. Ain't gonna happen any time soon. Btw, dont eat their food, dogs are dying from chicken jerky made over there - mine almost did.
As for your Global Warming, it's the biggest fraud perpetrated on humans. It is a disguise for global governance, which starts with all countries (with the USA being the biggest challenge) to relinquish their sovereignty and redistribute the wealth in order to become a One World Government. This is the Left's move towards GLOBALISM. False data, governments, scientists, cohearsed into complying - with the media right behind them, all conspiring towards this goal. Not on Trump's watch.

Ronald said:

Rom.13:1 says the Lord appoints all the leaders of the world - whether you like them or not - for His purpose. If You care to protest this, take a look at verse 2, if you resist the power and authority ordained by God, you will be judged.
God is sovereign. Everything is under control. He has allowed evil, for a purpose and He blessed us with good as well. All countries (And btw, you can examine the prime example of Israel), have had good kings/leaders and bad.
I for one see the good that Trump has done in our country. We have a strong economy, the best ever many would say. We have the lowest unemployment rate and among minorities as well. The stock market is double than the sluggish market and over all growth the country had during the Obama administration.
Basically he has lowered corporate taxes, reduced stiff regulations, been putting a stop to unfair trade and many countries taking advantage of our wealth, just because they think we owe them.
Obama's message to the rich, was to pay their fair share. Well the top 10% pay 70% of the taxes, the bottom half pay nothing.
So the message from Trump to the world is - TAKE CARE OF YOURSELVES, DONT LEAN ON US ANYMORE AND PAY YOUR OWN SHARE.
CHINA may play ball with our new trade deals, if not, WE WILL FIND OTHER COUNTRIES TO REPLACE THEM. I've been hoping for this to happen - to wean ourselves off Chinese products. Besides, they have low standards, have even tried to poison our toys with lead and so be careful, ultimately, they want to rule the world. Ain't gonna happen any time soon. Btw, dont eat their food, dogs are dying from chicken jerky made over there - mine almost did.
As for you global warming, it's the biggest fraud perpetrated on humans. It is a disguise for global governance, which starts with all countries (with the USA being the biggest challenge) to relinquish their sovereignty and redistribute the wealth in order to become a One World Government. This is the Left's move towards GLOBALISM. False data, governments, scientists, cohearsed into complying - with the media right behind them, all conspiring towards this goal. Not on Trump's watch.

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Totally agree.

Pedra said:

Totally agree.

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Just echoing the words of Rush Limbaugh ... sssh, dont tell anybody.

HatGuy said:

I'm a fairly bookish sort of person, but the intelligentsia have gone mad, and the democrats have eaten up all of their gibberish, with a cherry on top.
Trump is obviously not blue collar but he knows how to speak that language and is actually, it seems, delivering.

That's just off the top of my head.

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I agree with ya, the intelligentisia have gone mad , they've drank their own kool aid for too long--I guess.
Trump isn't blue collar but he was born in Queens which explains his attitude & manner of delivery.

ChrisBirchLondon said:

We must live by the standards of Jesus. If you truly ask yourself if Jesus would act like Trump the answer can only be a clear no.

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Just a couple of general points.

First, congrats to everyone for conducting a thoughtful thread. I expected this would be another mutually antagonistic complete waste of time. It hasn't been.

OP, as you dig deeper, you are going to find that Christian Trump supporters can very well defend their position Biblically. We weren't born, or reborn, yesterday and we have been watching our politics for a very long time, with most of that time spent in heartache and frustration. As our families, communities and nation fell apart, we learned that the way we were doing politics didn't work, as the other side controlled all the levers and moved them incrementally to our destruction.

Trump came along and began to get our attention. I never was an admirer, but he was saying the things that needed to be said, and he was the only one doing so. But would he keep his promises? Surely not, I initially thought. But as time went on he proved he meant them.

Trump is not your typical choir boy. When I'm in a plane, I want the pilot to know how to fly. His theology and personal life is a distant second.

America was on the very precipice of destruction in 2016. The alternative to Trump would have been the last nail in the coffin. Many voted for Trump because of this, and rest assured that they will do so again in 2020.

Know that if you are a consumer of mainstream media you are getting a synthesized, filtered narrative. The degree of failure of the media and universities in the West, as they succumb to advancing godless Progressivism, has been stunning. I would strongly suggest you challenge yourself to go beyond your usual information sources for a season. See what drives the conservative voter. Many have, and eventually found compelled to #walkaway from their previous political alignment.

edit: grammar is your friend; google is not.

Redwingfan9 said:

I don't deny the sovereignty of God. He has judged our wicked nation with both Obama and Trump. The next one will be worse.

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either way, by opposing the one appointed by God you are opposing God's will. Daniel didn't rail against Nebuchadnezzar or any of those

ByTheSpirit said:

either way, by opposing the one appointed by God you are opposing God's will. Daniel didn't rail against Nebuchadnezzar or any of those

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You remember that next time a Dem is in the White House. Beyond that we are under no obligation to support the wicked godless behavior of any king.

ByTheSpirit said:

either way, by opposing the one appointed by God you are opposing God's will. Daniel didn't rail against Nebuchadnezzar or any of those

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While I agree with this, I wish many Christians would realize that this applies when it's a leader they don't like, either. Some Christians say "Trump is God's chosen leader for America" but somehow claim that Obama wasn't God's chosen leader for America during 2008-2016. (And ditto the other way around.)

If it applies one way, it applies both ways.

Redwingfan9 said:

You remember that next time a Dem is in the White House. Beyond that we are under no obligation to support the wicked godless behavior of any king.

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Theres a huge difference between disagreeing with a persons politics and opposing those views, and downright being nasty and personal. You have already shown to be of the personal variety, as do most others.

You don't have to agree with Trumps policies, but calling him "Christless pig" is beyond anything God would approve of. Funny is, you are here trying to portray this image of superiority concerning morals and ethics:

How can anyone vote for such a (fill in the blank) all while being disgusting immoral and unethical in your view, remarks, and heart really.

Fix yourself first

MercyandFaith said:

While I agree with this, I wish many Christians would realize that this applies when it's a leader they don't like, either. Some Christians say "Trump is God's chosen leader for America" but somehow claim that Obama wasn't God's chosen leader for America during 2008-2016. (And ditto the other way around.)

If it applies one way, it applies both ways.

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I agree, it goes both ways

MercyandFaith said:

While I agree with this, I wish many Christians would realize that this applies when it's a leader they don't like, either. Some Christians say "Trump is God's chosen leader for America" but somehow claim that Obama wasn't God's chosen leader for America during 2008-2016. (And ditto the other way around.)

If it applies one way, it applies both ways.

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I agree that we are to do as God's Word admonishes us to do, and that is to pray for the leaders of our country, ALL in the government, and the American people, as well as the leaders of other countries as well. We are to pray that God's RIGHTEOUSNESS reigns and that any strongholds of Satan be dismantled and brought to naught, and that injustice is throttled, and to speak up for, and defend those without a voice and who are unable to defend themselves, and to, as it is written in Isaiah, to keep them from those who intend to destroy them.

Yes, we are to pray that God's will be done.

Amen?

It is written that those who defend evil and attack the righteous are both an abomination to the Lord.

Redwingfan9 said:

You remember that next time a Dem is in the White House. Beyond that we are under no obligation to support the wicked godless behavior of any king.

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He is a very successful businessman, a loyal nationalist and patriot and he stood against the elite globalist agenda. I have watched full speeches of Pres Trump and I've seen numerous times where the Media or celebrities have taken Trump's words out of context , & misrepresented him, but do they ever recant? --no never, never, never.

SPF said:

I think the above represents the sentiments of the majority of those who voted for Trump. Though I wouldn't be as strong as "Satan" and "AntiChrist" to describe them

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Thing is. When those of us who voted for him thinking he may just be another North Eastern liberal running as a conservative found out he really did intend to do what he said. Do you think our vote will be just becasue of who he is running against this time? As for me. I'll be voting for him based on his policies and becasue he is actually fighting back against those who would enslave us.