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Featured Christian churches supporting Trump

Discussion in 'Christian Philosophy & Ethics' started by ChrisBirchLondon, Aug 23, 2019.

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  1. brinny

    brinny everlovin' shiner of light in dark places Supporter

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    As was mentioned previously in this thread, it's his "policies". It ALWAYS HAS been.

    One, in particular, is his stance on abortion. This is right in sync with what God abhors, which is the shedding of innocent blood. (It is written as one of the seven abominations that God abhors.)

    On another note, have you seen the many cities in this country that are, and have been, controlled by Democrats?

    Hint: Rats and the diseases that are in those cities, including Typhoid Fever and the Bubonic Plague, as stated by Dr. Drew, that is already present in Los Angeles that is being ignored. (If you would like me to post info/a link, let me know.)

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  2. Albion

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    Well, don't forget that there is a difference. Clinton had a long and unsavory track record culminating in what he was doing in the Oval Office. The incidents that people hold against Trump are either 1) talk or 2) something that allegedly happened many years before he was elected or came to his current standards and values.
     
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  3. SPF

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    No, I'm certainly not.

    Yes. I think he's a bully, I think he is incredibly insecure and certainly is not loving in how he speaks. But, I personally don't consider him a Christian, and therefore I don't judge him for it at all.

    America is a secular nation. As a Christian, I will vote for people who I think will continue to make the most positive changes, but I certainly don't expect any candidate to be a shining Christian light to the world.

    Hillary supported abortion all the way up until birth. For me that was a big problem.
     
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  4. brinny

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    i agree with most of what you posted. However, i disagree that he's a bully, etc. He's from New Yawk, and he "hits back" LOL!
    It was the most glaring and horrific for me. As it is written, God abhors the shedding of innocent blood.
     
  5. com7fy8

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    "No one engaged in warfare entangles himself with the affairs of this life, that he may please him who enlisted him as a soldier." (2 Timothy 2:4)

    "Do you not judge those who are inside? But those who are outside God judges." (in 1 Corinthians 5:12-13)

    So, it is not our responsibility to control evil people of Satan's kingdom. And I would be careful about who you say is leading God's church in the United States, because the scripture you have quoted goes for qualified Christian leaders; in case ones in religious power do not do what is right, these are not Jesus Christ's church leadership in America; because they are not qualified . . . like your scripture says > 1 Timothy 3:1-10. And so, it is possible they are not accountable to Jesus Christ's approved leadership. And according to what I read in 1 Corinthians 5:12-13, it is not my job description as a Christian, to control wicked and evil people. I will offer votes, but most of all I pray and need to obey God, myself.

    The Bible says God's people "first of all" need to pray for any and all people > 1 Timothy 2:1-4. First, then, trust God to have His way with this world, howsoever He pleases, thanking Him for how He is succeeding. This scripture > 1 Timothy 2:1-4 says what we Jesus people need to do > "first of all" > but I get the impression there are people who are very busy with trying to hold politicians accountable, yet they themselves do not obey what God's word says to do "first of all" > 1 Timothy 2:1-4 < how much attention do you give to this scripture??

    And lead by example >

    "nor as being lords over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock." (1 Peter 5:3)

    God knows who His obedient are, and He makes a way for His obedient to reach people . . . by example, not by controlling . . . and by means of prayer "first of all". So, God's obedient are already doing better than what you might be looking for. You can not control wrong people and hold them accountable; ones need to first trust in Jesus so they can obey God.

    God does not just use people. He might turn wicked people's action and power to His good, though. But most of all God is saving souls so we spend eternity with Jesus.

    And another thing > if Donald and certain religious leaders are wrong like you indicate, they are the tip of a very big iceberg. And the iceberg you can see has the support of two-thirds of the iceberg which is below the surface!! So, in case you manage to chip away and/or melt away a few tons of ice at the top, it will be soon replaced by a few other tons of ice supported by the billions of tons lower.

    So . . . people need to defect to Jesus >

    "If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow Me." (in Luke 9:23)

    "'Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.'" (Matthew 11:28-30)

    And Jesus makes His sheep able to tell the difference between His real leaders and ones not qualified > John 10:1-30. So, I would be prayerfully careful about who you claim is a church leader in the United States. The example leaders already are obeying God, and we see how effective obedience is > like with Abraham >

    "'In your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice.'" (Genesis 22:18)

    So, make sure you obey.
     
  6. Hazelelponi

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    America is a secular nation, not a church. We have churches - they have their place in our Christian walk, and nations and governments have their place, according to Scripture, to keep us safe and to preserve our ability to practice our faith as we see fit without interference.

    One of the main criteria for a nation is an area with clearly defined borders and boundaries. One of the main criteria for a government is to both define and defend those boundaries and borders.

    Our nation is no different, and this is clearly spelled out as the job of government according to our national constitution. Therefore, it's no large surprise to find the citizens of the nation we call America actually expecting our government to do that job, among many others.

    We have a constitution, and our expectation from those we elect as officials is to uphold and defend our constitution. We judge our leaders according to that, and not according to church policies.

    Churches in our nation are different and separate entities than government, and when people conflate the two is when problems occur.

    We don't expect our leaders to be pastors, we expect them to be national leaders, doing the job they were hired, so to speak, to do.

    I've watched my whole life as president after president was elected based on how good of a Christian they could appear to be, and then once in office they got sexual favors under the desk in the oval office, lied to the American people, took back their promises, did exactly what they wanted and none of what the citizens wanted them to do.

    So we stopped, finally, having a "good Christian" personality contest, and just voted for a president.

    And guess what, we are finally happy. Amen. God let us see through the exterior, and saw what was on the inside; what was possible for a president to be. A man of his word. That's much better than Mr. Personality on the outside who is devoid of anything on the inside.

    American interests are at stake, we can't do anything for anyone from a position of weakness.
     
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  7. Bible Highlighter

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    Regardless of my opinion of our leader (Whether it be good or bad), the New Covenant commands this of me:

    You shall not speak evil of the ruler of your people (Acts of the Apostles 23:5).
     
  8. SkyWriting

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    I don't recall anyone saying that.
    If you do catch anyone saying that, then you will have a good point.
     
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  10. GOD Shines Forth!

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    Truth. But the OP came straight out of the gate telling us how the cow ate the cabbage, so I had no hopes for him to dash.

    The blindness to the demonic witnessed in Trump's competition—they champion sexual perversion of all kinds and call it "love", cherish abortion, distort the role of women (proving the serpent has their ear), worship the creature rather than the Creator, lie to others that "we're all God's children" when Apostle John says otherwise, etc., etc., etc.—is telling and disqualifying.
     
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  11. ByTheSpirit

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    so this is why I despise foreigners getting involved in our (American) politics...

    Who was the alternative to Trump? And would she have been better morally or ethically for the country or the world?

    The answer is unequivically no!

    You are basing your feelings on subjective "facts" and not even very good ones, while clearly ignoring your own contradictions for opposing one politician and supporting another.

    Trump was the best candidate and still is by far
     
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  12. BNR32FAN

    BNR32FAN He’s a Way of life Supporter

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    Personally my Trump support, if you could call it that, was basically at election time when the choices were either Trump or Clinton. To me that was like choosing between satan or the antichrist. The only reason I chose to support Trump at that time was because he was pro-life and Clinton was pro-choice. I honestly thought Trump was going to do a far worse job than he actually has. So while I’m not really a Trump supporter per say I will say that he is doing a better job than I expected. Not that he couldn’t do better, but what politician couldn’t do better?
     
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  13. Daniel Martinovich

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    We did not elect a pastor. We elected someone who said he would govern (my words) according to the Biblical principle mandated in scripture for human government. We did not vote or elect someone who said he would govern the nation according to the Biblical principles mandated for a pastor.

    When you get down to the nitty gritty of what you are seemingly all about. It comes down to the leftist con job about global warming. Something that is an In our face lie that even a minimal amount of research can verify. Something designed to manipulate the gullible into giving human government power over every aspect of human existence. Which is a criminal violation of the very first principle of human government. That it be severely limited to the tasks nature and God have given it.

    So you claim Christ on what you think are moral issues but side with the spirit of antichrist on the much bigger issues that will affect humanity as a whole. To put this in another way. I completely reject the entire premise of your discussion.
     
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  14. GOD Shines Forth!

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    Truth. Many fall for this rope-a-dope of Global Warming. Just in its faithless fear mongering it proves itself of the devil.
     
  15. SPF

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    I think the above represents the sentiments of the majority of those who voted for Trump. Though I wouldn't be as strong as "Satan" and "AntiChrist" to describe them ;)
     
  16. DamianWarS

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    I'm a Canadian and am shocked how polarized these issues are in the US. I often get the impression that if you're Christian then you must support the republican party and its leader no matter what, and this presidency is a good example of that happening.

    In Canada, politics matter but the Church, or any organization, is legally not allowed to endorse a political party and in my experience where a lot of Christians are conservative it's not a tribal issue and you may choose whomever you wish. Often when asked who you're voting for it's not surprising to get an answer that essentially means "none of your business" and no one assumes who it is. I remember watching an interview of a political leader and they ask them who they were voting for (which of course would have been themselves) his answer was that he reserves the right to a confidential vote, and that's just the culture here. we don't need to yell it out at every moment and happen to enjoy a bit of discretion when it comes to these things.

    It creates too much strife in the US which seems to only be getting further and further polarized and it would probably be a good idea to follow other countries and not allow organizations to politically endorse a party as this seeks to manipulate those a part of the organization.
     
  17. Maria Billingsley

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    Disclaimer: I believe politics is the most divisive in the Body of Christ.

    I wish I could give you my opinion however I am very frightened of confronting "Trump Christians". God will judge.
    Blessings
     
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  18. All4Christ

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    While this isn’t directly related to Church directed political opinions, there were many issues besides just the policies and even personal character with our last election. These impacted both Christians and non-Christians.

    A big problem imho with the alternative candidate (Hillary) was her subpar record keeping of government communication and sensitive information.

    Just the allegation of that would make some of our military leadership be in serious trouble. The same level of what she did would at minimum make them lose their security clearance, likely worse. Even leakage of information through negligence can be a cause for serious punishment. Why would we want a president who was careless with our security? Worse yet, if she didn’t intentionally ignore regulations, why would we want a president who wasn’t smart enough to think about potential security threats?

    Some say that the emails were innocuous or minimal level of security. Even if that was the case, which I don’t think it was, she still violated many of the security regulations - which cause people to lose security clearance. Just the way she handled them violated security regulations. We consider aggregation of “secret” or “sensitive” information to be able to make it “classified”. Even secret data isn’t allowed to be used on an unclassified machine or server.

    That was a huge issue for me - especially as someone who is an IT professional supporting our military. Not a single person I know in our agency would consider doing what she did. Our leadership should be held to the highest standards of upholding our laws and security.

    Like another poster said, many people voted “against Hillary”, not as “pro-Trump” supporters. (Ideally, third party candidates would be viable options - but there is a general consensus that voting third party is a throwaway vote.)
     
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  19. DamianWarS

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    does it bother you that Trump is essentially using these policies simply to get in office? I don't think he really cares one way of the other, but instead is exploiting the conservative American's views that if you can parrot the right policies then you will forever win their hearts.
     
  20. brinny

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    :scratch:
     
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