Sabbath keeping questions

Bipolargirl said:

So if you agree with the 7th day sabbath, do you also agree that no work should be done, more specifically:

refraining from any sort of cooking on sabbath.
Not driving on the sabbath (since Fires cannot be started or extinguished on Sabbath)
Using electronic devices on sabbath
Using any money money on the sabbath
Using indoor lights on the sabbath
Writing on the sabbath.

You’re following Jewish law about the sabbath, therefore should follow all the rules of the sabbath, yes?
It makes no sense to cherry pick from the Old Testament.

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1st.......... It's not "Jewish" law. It's Biblical law.
Jews get coined into the phrase because they are the only ones upholding the eternal decrees to this day. The "Law of Moses"states clearly many many times. Same laws apply for the native born (Jews) as the the stranger (gentiles)

Meaning, a gentile that enters the covenent of Abraham, through Yeshua is obligated to walk the same way all Israelites are obligated to walk whether Jewish or Gentile


No cooking. What constitutes "Cooking" If I place some food in a microwave & heat it up. Is this cooking. Same say "yes"& some say "no"
If I heat up some cold fish on a hot plate, Does this clasify as cooking. Again, some say "yes"& some say "no"

The key is the pre-prepare & "heat up" the food. Not hard when you get into the routine.

No fire........ What is the intent of this law..?
Was it about starting fire for cooking, the labour involved in the cooking (intense back 3000yr ago) meaning preperation & delivery

Was a tiny fire in an engine 3000 years later part of the "intent" in context. Obviously not

Same for electronic gear, the apparent electricity on electronic devices causes a micro spark, but again what is the context.

Money exchange is Biblical. You pay a person "working"on Sabbath with money thuse condone that person breaking the Sabbath & thus become an accessory to the fact.

Lights are permitted on Sabbath. Switching them on or off is the question.
The micro spark from the switch contact that engages power to the light is seen as "fire" but again, what is the context of "no-fire" & was a micro-spark 3000 years later part of the intent of the No-Fire command

Writing on Sabbath is considered "creation"& as He ceased from creating on Sabbath, so do we cease from creating.

A popular way to avoid this "Am I creating" question is to use pencil as it is easy erased, not a permenant creation

So whats "Law" & whats "Rabbinical"...?

Rabbinical.........
Driving car
Electronic gadget
Switching on/off lights
Cooking, at some level Yes / No. Very grey............


Law of Moses......
Writing (creating) with permenant marker (pen) on the day creation ceased
Money exchange. Shops or work should cease on this day. No work
Cooking, at some level Yes / No. Very grey........

godenver1 said:

Except in Colossians 2:16-17, Galatians 4:10-11, Romans 14:5, Acts 15, Galatians 5:18, Acts 20:7, Hebrews 7, Hebrews 8 and Revelation 1:10.

Christians are not under the Mosaic law (Galatians 5:18). The Ten Commandments, as given to Israel, were apart of the Old Testament convenant (Deuteronomy 4:13). We aren't under that covenant (2 Corinthians 3:6).

If you wish to claim modern day believers must observe the Seventh day sabbath as the nation of Israel did, the Bible is not on your side and you teach false doctrine.

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Why does the NT not mention to "keep the Shabbat" in simple B&W instructions...?

To a Gentile, this is cause to say "see, see, it doesn't tell you. So we don't have to"
To a Jew, this part of the Bible doesn't need to tell you because you already know

Bible was written by multiple Jews from GEN to REV

The audience was Jewish, the language was Hebrew (+Aramaic), the culture was Jewish, the audience was Jewish

When a Jew is writing for the benifit of other Jews, be they teaching gentiles in Corinth or for the native born in Isaiah. He is writing with the knowledge that his audience already know the culture, history, context & language

The NT was meant primarily as a report on the promised Messiah arriving. How He came & completed the mission to be rejected & killed without a cause. To teach the Jew & Gentile that Messiah has come & the door is now open for the Gentile to enter into the Covenant of Abraham thanks to the sacrifice of Yeshua.

Regarding 2-COR 3:6

It's not "New covenent" (Chadash / חדש in Hebrew)
It's "re-newed covenant" (Chadash / חדש in Hebrew)

Did Yeshua come to make a "new" covenant or "re-new"an existing covenant...?

The same Hebrew word (Chadash / חדש ) means either new or re-new & only context distinguishes which version it is. If your not Jewish (aka Gentile church father formatting church dogma) then you can easily mis-interpret this word

Put in perspective........

DET 04:02
You shall not ADD to this law or TAKE AWAY from this law

If Yeshua "added" a new covenant....... He just sinned & is NOT the Messiah
If Yeshua "re-newed" an existing covenant...... This is fine, not sin. No problem

You must now choose a Jewish view or a gentile view of this Jewish book.....

LessThanPerfect2016 said:

In the New Testament—which celebrates the resurrection of Christ on the first day of the week—the central experience of our faith as Christians is commemorated every Sunday of the year. We find the fulfillment to that which was revealed in the Old Testament.

We are under no more obligation to follow the Saturday Sabbath than we are to follow Old Testament dietary restrictions—upon which today’s Kosher laws are derived—or to practice circumcision as a sign of our covenant with God.

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Is it wise to rely upon the claims of men, however eloquent and pious-sounding, to establish sound doctrine?

Please produce the scripture that even obscurely enjoins upon God's people the requirement to observe a weekly celebration of the resurrection on the first day of every week? (More than one would be nice, since it is not even customary for cultic sects to build a tenet of faith on less than several)

Please be advised that thousands of dollars have been pledged as reward for these missing texts, and to my knowledge, no one has come forth in sincerity to claim them.

Saturday Sabbath? What other kind is there? The entire (1/2 billion) global Spanish-speaking population call the 7th day "Sabado."

By your logic, the crime of murder carries the same weight as that of neglecting the trimming of sideburns.

Bipolargirl said:

what about churches that worship on Saturday and Sunday? Like vespers on Saturday and liturgy on Sunday?
Any thoughts?

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A 'saturday vesper' is still first day of the week according to scripture, which is why Roman Catholicism allows a Saturday evening mass to 'take care of' a Sunday morning one.

Also, 'saturday' is not in technicality 'sabbath', as the two are two differing keepings of time, saturday Roman, midnight to midnight, while sabbath is scriptural, evening to evening (sundown to sundown).

Dovid / עבד ישוע ...דוד said:

Paul was NEVER a christian.

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Paul would be ashamed of such a statement, for what was Paul doing when speaking to Agrippa?

Act_26:28 Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian.

Act 26:29 And Paul said, I would to God, that not only thou, but also all that hear me this day, were both almost, and altogether such as I am, except these bonds.

Did Paul suffer as a Christian?

1Pe 4:13 But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.

1Pe 4:14 If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified.

1Pe_4:16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.

Paul said:

Rom_1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

2Ti_1:12 For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day.

1Co 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

Php_3:8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,

Php_3:10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;

Act 11:25 Then departed Barnabas to Tarsus, for to seek Saul:

Act 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

What as Paul doing at the Council of Christians in Jerusalem in Acts 15?

woobadooba said:

Show me one text in the Bible where God says the Sabbath command no longer has to be kept holy.

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It is a sign of the covenant made at Sinai with Israel. Is that the covenant we keep?

ralliann said:

It is a sign of the covenant made at Sinai with Israel. Is that the covenant we keep?

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Jesus is the real Israel, the covenant is made with Him (even in eternity), Matthew 2:13-15, 19-21; Hosea 11:1; and His disciples are His children given Him of His Father, Hebrews 2:9-13; Isaiah 8:8-20; John 13:33.

Mal_2:5 My covenant was with him of life and peace; and I gave them to him for the fear wherewith he feared me, and was afraid before my name.

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Jesus is the real Israel, the covenant is made with Him (even in eternity), Matthew 2:13-15, 19-21; Hosea 11:1; and His disciples are His children given Him of His Father, Hebrews 2:9-13; Isaiah 8:8-20; John 13:33.

Mal_2:5 My covenant was with him of life and peace; and I gave them to him for the fear wherewith he feared me, and was afraid before my name.

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How about a yes or no as to do we keep the covenant given only to Israel?

Bob S said:

How about a yes or no as to do we keep the covenant given only to Israel?

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The new covenant is only with Israel according to the prophet Jeremiah, just like the old covenant was with Israel.

Are you Israel? If not, what covenant are you a part of, as the new covenant is with Israel, not Gentiles?

Jeremiah 31:31-33

Dkh587 said:

The new covenant is only with Israel according to the prophet Jeremiah, just like the old covenant was with Israel.

Are you Israel? If not, what covenant are you a part of, as the new covenant is with Israel, not Gentiles?

Jeremiah 31:31-33

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Is only with Israel??? Where does it say that in Jeremiah's prophesy? Yes, it was made with Israel and Judah and our God, Jesus Christ, also made the new covenant for Gentiles. Why do you think Paul was Jesus ambassador to the Gentiles. Jesus told the disciples to go into all the World. Jews were not in ALL the World. Do you deny that Jesus broke down the barrier between Jew and Gentile by taking away the old covenant laws. Eph2:15 Through his body on the cross, Christ set aside the law with all its commands and rules. He planned to create one new people out of Jews and Gentiles. He wanted to make peace between them.

Someone has started a false belief system and has gained many followers. Those followers are led like sheep who do not study the real truth.

Bipolargirl said:

what about churches that worship on Saturday and Sunday? Like vespers on Saturday and liturgy on Sunday?
Any thoughts?

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If Jesus is there on those days, then Ok.

Bob S said:

Is only with Israel??? Where does it say that in Jeremiah's prophesy? Yes, it was made with Israel and Judah and our God, Jesus Christ, also made the new covenant for Gentiles. Why do you think Paul was Jesus ambassador to the Gentiles. Jesus told the disciples to go into all the World. Jews were not in ALL the World. Do you deny that Jesus broke down the barrier between Jew and Gentile by taking away the old covenant laws. Eph2:15 Through his body on the cross, Christ set aside the law with all its commands and rules. He planned to create one new people out of Jews and Gentiles. He wanted to make peace between them.

Someone has started a false belief system and has gained many followers. Those followers are lead like sheep who do not study the real truth.

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Yes, it’s only with Israel. Jeremiah & God did not say the covenant was with anybody else.

Yes, the new covenant was made with Israel. Jesus is the one that includes Gentiles in the new covenant and He never ever stipulated that we must become Jews to belong.

What is so ironic is the fact that Jews, for the most part, have never accepted the new covenant and given up all the rituals of the old one. All the ingredients are in the Old Testament proving Jesus is Messiah, but Jews cling to nothing but the rituals of the Old. They have no place to atone for their sins or to praise God with their tithe of crops and animals.

What is even more ironic is that some gentiles try to mimic those Jews that refuse to accept the new covenant in toto.

Question: Why would any thinking person want to go back under a covenant that God relaced with a new and better one?

New doesn't mean warmed over. If you truly believe you have to observe the laws of the defunct old covenant then why do you not observe all of it?

D.A. Wright said:

Is it wise to rely upon the claims of men, however eloquent and pious-sounding, to establish sound doctrine?

Please produce the scripture that even obscurely enjoins upon God's people the requirement to observe a weekly celebration of the resurrection on the first day of every week? (More than one would be nice, since it is not even customary for cultic sects to build a tenet of faith on less than several)

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Hello D. A., Everyone knows that there is no requirement to observe any day in the new covenant. There is no requirement not to either. Your point is as old as Adventism.

Saturday Sabbath? What other kind is there? The entire (1/2 billion) global Spanish-speaking population call the 7th day "Sabado."

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So what? What is your point? The Sabbath requirement for the Israel nation ended when the old covenant ended.

By your logic, the crime of murder carries the same weight as that of neglecting the trimming of sideburns.

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Break one is the same as breaking all of them.

Correct me if I'm wrong but a Christian is of the New covenant thus we are free from the curse of the law yet we should in our liberty establish the law yet being in liberty if we fail to establish the law if this is counted against us then do we not have liberty in Christ who freed us from the curse of the law?

Bob S said:

Hello D. A., Everyone knows that there is no requirement to observe any day in the new covenant. There is no requirement not to either. Your point is as old as Adventism.

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Actually, my point (which is not really my point--I didn't write the ten commandments; God did, with His own finger) is much older than Adventism. We didn't invent Christian Sabbath-keeping. We actually adopted it from Seventh-day Baptists. Even as recently as 40 years ago, my Southern Baptist grandmother would not allow anyone to do any unnecessary labor on her property on Sunday. She kept the Sabbath. She just thought it was on Sunday. So no, not everyone knows there is no requirement.

Bob S said:

So what? What is your point? The Sabbath requirement for the Israel nation ended when the old covenant ended.

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No, it didn't. And if I live to be 199, I'll never understand the objection to obey a command by God to rest one day a week. And since He's God, why don't we just do it on the day He said to.

Bob S said:

Break one is the same as breaking all of them.

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So what? What is your point? If you're happy to keep all but one, anyway? Circumcision is not part of the ten commandments, nor is kosher eating, per se.

D.A. Wright said:

Actually, my point (which is not really my point--I didn't write the ten commandments; God did, with His own finger) is much older than Adventism.

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The cliche about Sunday not being in the Bible is what I was referring. When I was SDA I used it too.

We didn't invent Christian Sabbath-keeping. We actually adopted it from Seventh-day Baptists.

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The Seventh-day Baptists were/are wrong about Sabbath being a requirement also.

Even as recently as 40 years ago, my Southern Baptist grandmother would not allow anyone to do any unnecessary labor on her property on Sunday.

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Too bad she didn't understand the new covenant.

She kept the Sabbath. She just thought it was on Sunday. So no, not everyone knows there is no requirement.

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There is no requirement to observe any day. The Sinai covenant ended at Calvary when Jesus ratified the new covenant with His own blood. The Sinai covenant was an "IF" covenant. Nothing about it was immortal not even the 10 commandments. If you take the time to study 2Cor3:6-11 Paul will tell you that we are not under the 10 commandments. Here I will even paste the verses for you to STUDY.
6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.

11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

No, it didn't. And if I live to be 199, I'll never understand the objection to obey a command by God to rest one day a week. And since He's God, why don't we just do it on the day He said to.

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It was Israel He said it, not to any Gentile in all the Earth. Sabbath was a requirement just for the Israelites. Yes, gentiles could be circumcised and observe the rituals. That was a choice just as it is today. Observe the Sabbath if you choose, just don't go around telling others they will go to Hell if we don't. Since no one is under the old covenant today and there is no command to observe ritual days. SDAs and any other group that teaches others that they must observe the defunct Sabbath are not telling the truth. Just as SDAs are not being told the truth about tithing.

So what? What is your point? If you're happy to keep all but one, anyway? Circumcision is not part of the ten commandments, nor is kosher eating, per se.

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Those things are part of the law given to Israel. It is confusing why SDAs think they have to refrain from eating pork and do not keep all the laws that pertain to an individual. Israelites have never separated the 10 written on stone and the ones God dictated to Moses. Disobeying any of them was a sin.

How long have you been a SDA?

Bob S said:

The cliche about Sunday not being in the Bible is what I was referring. When I was SDA I used it too.

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How is it clichéd? The first day of the week is simply never prescribed or commanded as a replacement to the Sabbath. Nor is it urged as a weekly, commemorative observance of the resurrection. That's all. When you were "SDA" you surely must have discovered that.

Bob S said:

Too bad she didn't understand the new covenant.

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You're actually going to presume to know and declare what my grandmother did or did not understand? To me, that seems inappropriate and disrespectful.

Bob S said:

Observe the Sabbath if you choose, just don't go around telling others they will go to Hell if we don't.

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Never did that. And if I did, what would be the difference between that and telling people that they will go to hell unless they say some canned prayer?

Bob S said:

There is no requirement to observe any day. The Sinai covenant ended at Calvary when Jesus ratified the new covenant with His own blood. The Sinai covenant was an "IF" covenant. Nothing about it was immortal not even the 10 commandments. If you take the time to study 2Cor3:6-11 Paul will tell you that we are not under the 10 commandments. How long have you been a SDA?

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I think you might be the one who doesn't understand the new covenant. In fact, I don't think you have any idea what you're talking about at all.

I've been a Seventh-day Adventist since June of 1990 when, as a fully cognizant 26-year-old man, I was baptized in front of 3000+ people at the Pennsylvania Conference camp meeting during the divine Sabbath worship service. I had, prior to this, spent 6 months studying trying to settle the tension between my Southern Baptist upbringing and what I was finding to be undisputable, emerging truth, and it was not without much trauma to my heart and mind.

So it would probably be misguided for you to consider me as a recent convert who doesn't know the difference between antinomianism and antiperspirant. I know what I believe.

You might have fashioned yourself a clear conscience with which to comfortably trample God's Holy Sabbath underfoot, but I've passed over the ground of the third division of the second letter to the Corinthians a few times, myself. And I'm aware of the "clichéd" use of the "ministration of death" proof-text used by apostates and cheap grace peddlers who, being untaught and unstable, twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the scriptures (2 Peter 3:16). People seem almost anxious to disregard the purpose of the letters to the church(es) at Corinth, being that of combatting the Greek dualist influences that constantly plagued them, the fire of which the poor and battered, but Great Apostle was often forced to resort to fighting with fire, itself.

Let's talk about James for a moment (since you brought him up) who was regarded by Paul as a pillar, and was also the de facto Bishop of Jerusalem, considered by many scholars to have been the same as the highest human leader of the early church.

Bob S said:

Break one is the same as breaking all of them.

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Indeed.

For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all. (James 2:10)

I do hate to resort to the Greek, but the fact is that the word translated as "law" here is the same one used in:

So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty.
(James 2:12)

The fact is, the Jewish, Christian writers of the Bible had such a non-dispensationalist view of Scripture that they actually had a word that was used interchangeably to mean both commandment and Scripture (nomos) used no less than 10 times in the little book of James.

I don't know what manner of abuse you suffered under the all-too-often genuinely evil influence of the brethren, but if you were ever convicted that the Advent Truth as it is in Jesus was profoundly true, you might want to give some thought to the fact that while it may mitigate your guilt in the judgment, in general, it will ultimately serve as no excuse for your present course of warring against the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

The conditions of eternal life are the same now as they have ever been: Perfect obedience to the commandments of God. If it were not so, then Christ lived and died for naught.

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How is it clichéd?

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a trite, stereotyped expression; a sentence or phrase, usually expressing a popular or common thought or
idea, that has lost originality, ingenuity, and impact by long overuse.

The first day of the week is simply never prescribed or commanded as a replacement to the Sabbath. Nor is it urged as a weekly, commemorative observance of the resurrection. That's all. When you were "SDA" you surely must have discovered that.

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Whyd did you even bring it up again? I agree with you. The fact is that the Sabbath ended when the new covenant was ratified with Jesus blood at Calvary.

You're actually going to presume to know and declare what my grandmother did or did not understand? To me, that seems inappropriate and disrespectful.

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What it really seems is that you have an overactive imagination. It is evident from your story about her that she didn't understand that the new covenant is not about keeping a day. If you are going to try to make me feel inadequate or apologetic you have another think coming.

Never did that. And if I did, what would be the difference between that and telling people that they will go to hell unless they say some canned prayer?

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since you are such a stanch SDA it would seem like you would be following the ''truths" of you prophet who wrote the following: It means eternal salvation to keep the Sabbath holy unto the Lord. God says: "Them that honor Me I will honor." {6T 356.4}
I can give you more examples of what the church really teaches.

I think you might be the one who doesn't understand the new covenant. In fact, I don't think you have any idea what you're talking about at all.

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I will take into consideration that it is just your thoughts. You have no idea how proficient I am concerning the Sinai covenant and the new covenant. all you are conniving to do is discredit me.

I've been a Seventh-day Adventist since June of 1990 when, as a fully cognizant 26-year-old man, I was baptized in front of 3000+ people at the Pennsylvania Conference camp meeting during the divine Sabbath worship service. I had, prior to this, spent 6 months studying trying to settle the tension between my Southern Baptist upbringing and what I was finding to be undisputable, emerging truth, and it was not without much trauma to my heart and mind.

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Thanks for the brief history. I bought in hook, line and sinker also, then came all the extra-Biblical teachings.

So it would probably be misguided for you to consider me as a recent convert who doesn't know the difference between antinomianism and antiperspirant. I know what I believe.

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I thought I did too.

You might have fashioned yourself a clear conscience with which to comfortably trample God's Holy Sabbath underfoot, but I've passed over the ground of the third division of the second letter to the Corinthians a few times, myself. And I'm aware of the "clichéd" use of the "ministration of death" proof-text used by apostates and cheap grace peddlers who, being untaught and unstable, twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the scriptures (2 Peter 3:16).

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Talk about proof texts. Adventists are famous for marking their Bibles with so-called proof texts. It was Paul who used the expression about the 10 commandments and he was right on. They were a part of the laws of the Sinai covenant my SDA friend and they became defunct when the Sinai covenant gave way to the new and better covenant with better promises. Paul wrote that the 10 were replaced with the Holy Spirit. Why do you deny that fact? Do you believe Paul was some sort of a misguided writer who wrote Cliches?

People seem almost anxious to disregard the purpose of the letters to the church(es) at Corinth, being that of combatting the Greek dualist influences that constantly plagued them, the fire of which the poor and battered, but Great Apostle was often forced to resort to fighting with fire, itself.

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What does that brief history have to do with the fact that Paul wrote that we are not under the laws of the Sinai covenant and specifically the 10 commandments?

Let's talk about James for a moment (since you brought him up) who was regarded by Paul as a pillar, and was also the de facto Bishop of Jerusalem, considered by many scholars to have been the same as the highest human leader of the early church.

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More history that has nothing to do with are we under the Sabbath law of the now-defunct Sinai covenant.

For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all. (James 2:10)

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I do hate to resort to the Greek, but the fact is that the word translated as "law" here is the same one used in:

So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty.
(James 2:12)

The fact is, the Jewish, Christian writers of the Bible had such a non-dispensationalist view of Scripture that they actually had a word that was used interchangeably to mean both commandment and Scripture (nomos) used no less than 10 times in the little book of James.

I don't know what manner of abuse you suffered under the all-too-often genuinely evil influence of the brethren, but if you were ever convicted that the Advent Truth as it is in Jesus was profoundly true, you might want to give some thought to the fact that while it may mitigate your guilt in the judgment, in general, it will ultimately serve as no excuse for your present course of warring against the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

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SDAs most always blame other members for causing someone to leave the church. You cannot bear to think we may have left because of untrue teachings or discovering that the prophet was really false.

Bob S said:

a trite, stereotyped expression; a sentence or phrase, usually expressing a popular or common thought or
idea, that has lost originality, ingenuity, and impact by long overuse.

Whyd did you even bring it up again? I agree with you. The fact is that the Sabbath ended when the new covenant was ratified with Jesus blood at Calvary.


What it really seems is that you have an overactive imagination. It is evident from your story about her that she didn't understand that the new covenant is not about keeping a day. If you are going to try to make me feel inadequate or apologetic you have another think coming.


since you are such a stanch SDA it would seem like you would be following the ''truths" of you prophet who wrote the following: It means eternal salvation to keep the Sabbath holy unto the Lord. God says: "Them that honor Me I will honor." {6T 356.4}
I can give you more examples of what the church really teaches.

I will take into consideration that it is just your thoughts. You have no idea how proficient I am concerning the Sinai covenant and the new covenant. all you are conniving to do is discredit me.

Thanks for the brief history. I bought in hook, line and sinker also, then came all the extra-Biblical teachings.


I thought I did too.


Talk about proof texts. Adventists are famous for marking their Bibles with so-called proof texts. It was Paul who used the expression about the 10 commandments and he was right on. They were a part of the laws of the Sinai covenant my SDA friend and they became defunct when the Sinai covenant gave way to the new and better covenant with better promises. Paul wrote that the 10 were replaced with the Holy Spirit. Why do you deny that fact? Do you believe Paul was some sort of a misguided writer who wrote Cliches?


What does that brief history have to do with the fact that Paul wrote that we are not under the laws of the Sinai covenant and specifically the 10 commandments?

More history that has nothing to do with are we under the Sabbath law of the now-defunct Sinai covenant.








SDAs most always blame other members for causing someone to leave the church. You cannot bear to think we may have left because of untrue teachings or discovering that the prophet was really false.

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I could easily bear to think it if the teachings were indeed untrue.