Are modern Bible translations as good as the old ones? KJV versus ESV versus NKJV

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What makes you think I didn't?

I just don't think it's worth discussing here, that's all.



And I've read a lot of books.
I read books all the time too, but this is different. This is a scholar that went out to disprove it, and ended up converting himself over to it. I don't care if you don't read it. But don't tell us that no one didn't give you solid evidence for the byzantine text type.
 
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this is 17 of 45 total verses missing from the NIV version, and all other modern translations.
 
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also: the NEW owner of NIV Harper Collins has also published the controversial Satanic Bible and the Joy of Gay Sex.

Are you going to post every false and misleading accusation ever made against the NIV?

Falsehood comes from Satan (John 8:44). The owner of the NIV is in fact Biblica, the International Bible Society, which a quick glance at the copyright page would have told you (by an arrangement with Biblica, the NIV is published by Zondervan in the United States and Hodder & Stoughton in the UK).

I believe that you should repent of and apologise for that statement (Revelation 22:15).

Personally, I will be putting you on ignore.
 
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Are you going to post every false and misleading accusation ever made against the NIV?

Falsehood comes from Satan (John 8:44). The owner of the NIV is in fact Biblica, the International Bible Society, which a quick glance at the copyright page would have told you (by an arrangement with Biblica, the NIV is published by Zondervan in the United States and Hodder & Stoughton in the UK).

I believe that you should repent of and apologise for that statement (Revelation 22:15).

Personally, I will be putting you on ignore.
I apologize sir, Zondervan is a publisher as well as Harper collins, who use the NIV by permission only. But that was not the main part of the post, here is another one that shows that the modern translations leave a bunch of verses out:
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That link says that scholars view them as additions to the text. Yeah that is a convenient way to look at it without looking at the facts. There is no evidence of tampering in the specific passages. Yet the Codex Sinaiticus has a huge section that was lemon washed to look older, which to me is highly skeptical. The sinaiticus is what all modern translations are from. In conclusion there are some studies done that reveal that alot of the passages missing in NIV the church fathers have quoted directly in their writings. So to me that is evidence for the NKJV manuscripts and evidence against the NIV/ESV/NASB manuscripts. Take care. Also Wikipedia is publically edited, so they are not the best source of information. A friend of mine put that his high school histor teacher fought and won the civil war, Wikipedia did not correct it for three months, no doubt until someone felt bad and told them.
 
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Yet the Codex Sinaiticus has a huge section that was lemon washed to look older

False.

In conclusion there are some studies done that reveal that alot of the passages missing in NIV the church fathers have quoted directly in their writings.

Quotations from the church fathers are part of the critical apparatus.

Also Wikipedia is publically edited, so they are not the best source of information.

The same can be said for the unreliable websites you keep quoting. In fact, those are even worse.
 
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I guess you felt the urge to take me off of ignore, to address my blatant lies, lol. I admit sometimes I post an image or two from a KJV only site, that I didn't fact check. But I can verify that the majority are mostly true, there may be an exaggeration but not much. And most of them I have posted you have not been able to properly refute.



Quotations from the church fathers are part of the critical apparatus.
I don't know what this is, can you explain how church fathers quoting from strictly byzantine text types does not support the byzantine text?


The same can be said for the unreliable websites you keep quoting. In fact, those are even worse.

this is a quote from wikipedia, since you trust it:
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In Oct 15, 1862, Kallinikos Hieromachos, wrote a letter, were it stated that:

...I do myself declare to all men by this letter, that the Codex of the Old and New Testaments, together with the Epistle of Barnabas and of the Shepherd Hermas, which was abstracted by Dr. Tischendorf from the Greek monastery of Mount Sinai, is a work of the hands of the unwearied Simonides himself. Inasmuch as I myself saw him in 1843 ... in the month of February writing it in Athos...Dr. Tischendorf, coming to the Greek monastery of Sinai in 1844, in the month of May (if my memory does not deceive me), and remaining there several days, and getting into his hands, by permission of the librarian, the codex we are speaking of, and perusing and re-perusing it frequently, abstracted secretly a small portion of it, but left the largest portion in the place where it was, and departed undisturbed...And I know yet further, that the codex also was cleaned with lemon-juice, professedly for the purpose of cleaning its parchments, but in reality in order to weaken the freshness of the letters, as was actually the case."

Codex Sinaiticus - Textus Receptus
 
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I admit sometimes I post an image or two from a KJV only site, that I didn't fact check. But I can verify that the majority are mostly true, there may be an exaggeration but not much. And most of them I have posted you have not been able to properly refute.
A non-Christian reading this thread would imagine there are 2 different Bibles. Reality is that most of the verses that may be absent in one Gospel are still present in other Gospels. So, they are still in the Bible. Other verses that may be missing are salutations or explanatory details of certain incidents in the Acts of the Apostles.

There are no doctrines that would be affected by the inclusion or exclusion of any of these details. The fact is that I prefer the Byzantine text type. But I would rather a person read a Critical version than no Bible at all.
 
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A non-Christian reading this thread would imagine there are 2 different Bibles. Reality is that most of the verses that may be absent in one Gospel are still present in other Gospels. So, they are still in the Bible. Other verses that may be missing are salutations or explanatory details of certain incidents in the Acts of the Apostles.

There are no doctrines that would be affected by the inclusion or exclusion of any of these details. The fact is that I prefer the Byzantine text type. But I would rather a person read a Critical version than no Bible at all.
In all actuality, there may as well be two different Bibles: those having correct details of the narrative; others missing, or altering the details that are significant to a proper understanding of the narrative.

The reason we have Textual Criticism (which is the essential reason behind having Bibles from the Majority (Byzantine text type) MSS, and the Minority (Critical Alexandrian text type) MSS, is because Johann Semler (and his disciples) believed that 1) not all Scripture was inspired; and 2) not all Scripture was authoritative.

It was from this core belief that the rules of Textual Criticism were developed.
 
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In all actuality, there may as well be two different Bibles: those having correct details of the narrative; others missing, or altering the details that are significant to a proper understanding of the narrative.
This is a real mischaracterization.
 
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