Why are most Christians so accepting of magic

HowRU? said:

I know what you’re saying Tryphena Rose, it seems that the theme of magic in television and movies is more widespread. I still remember the old sitcom “Bewitched”, produced in the 1960’s. It’s been around for quite awhile, it just seems to be a bit more prevalent and sinister than even 10 years back. It seems that way to me.
I and my family have always stirred clear of this flavor of entertainment, and have also felt the conviction to do so.

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SAME.

I remember growing up, my stepdad believed that Harry Potter was against God. I did not understand that because HP never said anything bad about God. I didn't believe that. Then when he said because of witchcraft- I was like, but it's fake. It's still the concept and it took a while before I realized I didn't even like that kind of stuff. It was just the craze of the time. I watched 3 HP movies and then I was totally DONE. I never really thought much about the movies and even Disney because it was all fake. They are all basically fairy tales. Then I realized how much of this people took seriously. I always thought it was cool to watch movies/TV or (I used to write stuff. I had ideas about stories like Sabrina the Teenage Witch or people with super powers). I never ended up writing stuff like that. My preacher went on how HP was wrong but let his daughter watch Snow White. I really don't get that. I have found myself in the past 8 years that I do not feel comfortable watching occult type things. I stay away from it. It doesn't feel right.

I do watch movies with my husband such as the Avengers. I guess we discard the "super powers" we see in movies because it is fake. He will occasionally watch Harry Potter. I hate it so much, LOL. My nana won't watch it because she thinks it will release bad spirits into her home.

carrico said:

SAME.

I remember growing up, my stepdad believed that Harry Potter was against God. I did not understand that because HP never said anything bad about God. I didn't believe that. Then when he said because of witchcraft- I was like, but it's fake. It's still the concept and it took a while before I realized I didn't even like that kind of stuff. It was just the craze of the time. I watched 3 HP movies and then I was totally DONE. I never really thought much about the movies and even Disney because it was all fake. They are all basically fairy tales. Then I realized how much of this people took seriously. I always thought it was cool to watch movies/TV or (I used to write stuff. I had ideas about stories like Sabrina the Teenage Witch or people with super powers). I never ended up writing stuff like that. My preacher went on how HP was wrong but let his daughter watch Snow White. I really don't get that. I have found myself in the past 8 years that I do not feel comfortable watching occult type things. I stay away from it. It doesn't feel right.

I do watch movies with my husband such as the Avengers. I guess we discard the "super powers" we see in movies because it is fake. He will occasionally watch Harry Potter. I hate it so much, LOL. My nana won't watch it because she thinks it will release bad spirits into her home.

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For some reason we decide what's Ok for us and not Ok for us, and that does seem to change sometimes too...? Strange isn't it...?

I still don't understand it, but I don't hardly watch TV at all anymore, whereas I used to watch it all the time, and things I use to be into, I'm not into anymore, and even bother me sometimes now...?

Anyway, It's strange and I still don't fully understand it...

I'm a big music person now though...

God Bless!

Neogaia777 said:

For some reason we decide what's Ok for us and not Ok for us, and that does seem to change sometimes too...? Strange isn't it...?

I still don't understand it, but I don't hardly watch TV at all anymore, whereas I used to watch it all the time, and things I use to be into, I'm not into anymore, and even bother me sometimes now...?

Anyway, It's strange and I still don't fully understand it...

I'm a big music person now though...

God Bless!

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Music is good!

Cis.jd said:

Your views are completely extreme and the examples you pin on it (inappropriate content) is completely disconnected. inappropriate content is real. It is a vile form of media where 2 or more people actually engage in sexual acts. It is a career that the majority of people who came from broken homes or whatever negative upbringing end up deciding for themselves.

This is not the same as comics, video games, fantasy books, etc. These forms of media are art based off the imagination and not "demonic influences". Your phobia towards these being developed after "reading the bible" is just you going a bit overboard with your interpretations.

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Jesus was pretty radical and extreme. Peter tried to stop Jesus from going to the cross. No doubt he thought his master had lost it. What about when God asked Abraham to sacrifice his son Isaac? Sounds pretty extreme and radical of God to ask Abraham to do that. But Abraham had faith. He did not reject the idea of taking his son's life.

As for my point about cartoon or animated inappropriate content movies: Well, I am totally aware that I am using an extreme example, but it is to show you that sin can influence people to do that particular sin. Just as I was influenced to want to cast a real spell because of my playing Dungeons and Dragons in the 80's. The sin of witchcraft was being pushed by the game upon me, and thus it influenced me to want to dabble in trying to doing such a thing myself.

Imagine if a father was watching "Limitless The TV series" and his son walked in the room when he seen the main character doing regular drugs. The father does not notice the son entering the room, and the son leaves thinking that his dad is okay with folks doing drugs (When his father is not okay with it). But it is just a show, right? But what if the child grows up thinking it would be cool to do drugs like the man he seen on TV (from the show that his father was watching). Imagine. It is not outside the realm of possibility for such a thing to happen. What a parent does has a great impact upon their children. If a father is passive when it comes to viewing others doing drugs and he does not mind to watch people doing drugs, then the child is going to think it is not all that big of a deal if he does it. This is what you are not understanding or this is what you prefer not to focus on.

devin553344 said:

God wants you to cut off your hand for masturbating? Really that's your God? You appear pretty extreme in your views. And that's the way you have to live to be a good christian? But not everyone has to be extreme. Some people are OK with moderation in their Christian views. You should also accept that idea.

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...of two or three witnesses shall every word be established:

"For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it." (Matthew 19:12).

Jason0047 said:

...of two or three witnesses shall every word be established:

"For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it." (Matthew 19:12).

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disturbing. But you're total sure that's what that scripture means? I'm not.

Jason0047 said:

Jesus was pretty radical and extreme. snip

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Yup, this is why theology classes lead by professional theologians and apologists need to be implemented before some one picks up the Bible and reads it based on his understandings. Here's to explain the necessity with God's test to Abraham Why did God tell Abraham to sacrifice Isaac?

As for my point about cartoon or animated inappropriate content movies: Well, I am totally aware that I am using an extreme example, but it is to show you that sin can influence people to do that particular sin. Just as I was influenced to want to cast a real spell because of my playing Dungeons and Dragons in the 80's. The sin of witchcraft was being pushed by the game upon me, and thus it influenced me to want to dabble in trying to doing such a thing myself.
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Sure. I will not argue that any form of content can influence someone negatively, but that goes for everything; even christian related content can influence someone negatively - we have Televangelists, shows in where you need to vow your faith through $1k, churches with "xyz is going to hell". These examples have caused more to leave Christianity than the fantasy entertainment that has been mentioned here. I additionally consider this thread as an example because seeing that we have grown adults being that incapable of comprehending something so basic as the concept of fiction -- or can't even tell when something so obvious isn't real, then you have been badly influenced over bad theology.

I find it strange how some here talk about OSAS, "God is great", "we are never taken away from his hand" yet we have to take extreme caution against Hermione.

Kaon said:

I should have said it is know among some people. Clearly as I alluded to before, someone who doesn't believe in magic can't recognize a spell - even if it is in the face. So, someone who doesn't believe in magic would have no clue how, or where to look.

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So like in cases of Schizophrenia - Wikipedia those who believe in magic say it is demons and those who believe in science say it is a mental illness.

Let me guess all of these "spells" are something that would work like psychological things and not something that would manipulate energy or matter like some cool fireballs, levitating a truck or deflecting gunshots coming at you but rather of the type today you will see a stranger that looks strangely at you and will cast evil eye on you that can be rather easily explained by you looking loonely at others when you try to determine if they are evli sorcerors and they return odd looks.

Clearly the magic worked and evil sorcerors are looking at you.

I have a close friend who has 'graduated' from Harold P. to witchcraft.
No one who has been delivered from the occult will pronounce these books as harmless.
My opening remark remains... Most Christians have no idea what is occurring spiritually around them.
Most have no idea about the spiritual ramifications of what appears to be innocent activity. Do you think the enemy of our souls wants us to see his intent - I think not.
He is intent on taking as many souls captive as possible and rendering believers ineffective through concealed spiritual bondage.
I was there, and have been delivered from a life of bondage. It took 7 years of prayer and ministry.
Praise Him for the freedom and peace I never knew.

Jonathan Walkerin said:

So like in cases of Schizophrenia - Wikipedia those who believe in magic say it is demons and those who believe in science say it is a mental illness.

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Which do believe it is...?

God Bless!

tryphena rose said:

Many of you have totally missed the point of this thread and have thrown it way out of proportion. The problem is that many of you see fiction as just fiction and reality as just reality, as if the two don't correlate or directly influence each other in any way, shape or form. But what you don't understand is the spiritual that rests behind that fiction (which is just a very small example of something much bigger). I'm not here to condemn anyone for liking what they like. What you do in your own time, is on you. But as a fellow believer, I would caution you to be discerning on everything it is you allow into your heart, into your home and into your life. The enemy is very real, and I don't say this to fear monger, but I say it to affirm a biblical truth. For even satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.

And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. 2 Corinthians 11:14

Ultimately Jesus is what's most important, so strive to follow Him in all of your ways, including what you choose do in your spare time. Thank you all for participating in this thread and may God bless each and every one of you.

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You are the first one I have run into that has successfully noted or made the connection between what we do or are involved in fictionally, or fantasy-wise, to be connected to what it going on in the spiritual realm, or with you, or the things around you, or with you, or spiritually in and with your spirit, in the spirit realm, ect...?

I was wondering, do you have any more thoughts on that maybe...?

I think they may be connected, or can be connected sometimes, with certain people sometimes, but I don't fully understand, or will not claim to fully understand it yet...?

God Bless!

JacksBratt said:

Fact is, magicians have been getting better and better. To the point that, if they didn't do it before, the most certainly are using demonic entities to aid them in their craft...

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What evidence do you have for that?

JacksBratt said:

Look at Dynamo, Shin Lim, and others... They do unbelievable stuff but with the help of demons, it is easy.

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Again, how do you know?

JacksBratt said:

Yes, they are entertaining, but they are using demons.

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You keep stating this as though it is a well known fact, without providing any evidence.
I know some superb Gospel magicians - no demons involved at all.

JacksBratt said:

One even admits to having a spiritual helper, Desmond.

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Maybe - doesn't mean they all do.

Jonathan Walkerin said:

So like in cases of Schizophrenia - Wikipedia those who believe in magic say it is demons and those who believe in science say it is a mental illness.

Let me guess all of these "spells" are something that would work like psychological things and not something that would manipulate energy or matter like some cool fireballs, levitating a truck or deflecting gunshots coming at you but rather of the type today you will see a stranger that looks strangely at you and will cast evil eye on you that can be rather easily explained by you looking loonely at others when you try to determine if they are evli sorcerors and they return odd looks.

Clearly the magic worked and evil sorcerors are looking at you.

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Ok.

Carl Emerson said:

I have a close friend who has 'graduated' from Harold P. to witchcraft.
No one who has been delivered from the occult will pronounce these books as harmless.
My opening remark remains... Most Christians have no idea what is occurring spiritually around them.
Most have no idea about the spiritual ramifications of what appears to be innocent activity. Do you think the enemy of our souls wants us to see his intent - I think not.
He is intent on taking as many souls captive as possible and rendering believers ineffective through concealed spiritual bondage.
I was there, and have been delivered from a life of bondage. It took 7 years of prayer and ministry.
Praise Him for the freedom and peace I never knew.

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Seven years is typical for certain types of deliverance, and praise the Most High God for saving you.

However, you are to be considered extremely blessed in general. It is better to be "in it and delivered," than it is to be ignorant of this facet, and have one's mind blown when confronted with the reality.

Imagine if you "knew" no demons or magic existed - that the occult was a fictional manifestation of our fears and worries only. You would be considered a fool whose head should be bumped by those who are using magic in general, or even on you - because you willingly give power these entities want whether through ambivalence or ignorance.

The Most High God warns us about marginalizing out enemies time and time again - especially enemies that He has told us 1) exist, and 2) their offense to our existence and His creation. It isn't something to scoff at.

If you dont know your enemy, you cant fight.

If you underestimate your enemy, you endanger those you hope to protect.

If you ignore your enemies, you will perish by them.

This "life" is great, but it's not a joke. The Most High God has told us we have several powerful enemies on this plane of existence as well as in the heavens - and this war will go on until the enemies have been made the footstool of the Word of God Himself. There is a complacency in Christianity that is keeping people in darkness; the leaders aren't helping to prepare and equip properly, because this very topic (of magic) is treated as fiction, not reality. That is why Christians accept it. It is a combination of psychological and psycho-social phenomena that slowly tarnish the spirit.

Strong in Him said:

What evidence do you have for that?



Again, how do you know?



You keep stating this as though it is a well known fact, without providing any evidence.
I know some superb Gospel magicians - no demons involved at all.



Maybe - doesn't mean they all do.

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All I can say is watch the videos. They have slow motion and stop frame coverage of cards appearing out of thin air or changing to coins... Just watch...

Then, the magician states that he uses the "black arts"?

JacksBratt said:

Then, the magician states that he uses the "black arts"?

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So epitomy of a dark sorceror using dark arts is a showman doing card tricks. Probably explains why they are not running the world.