This world doesn't make any sense at all without God...?

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Perhaps... but still does not make sense without God... Or gods of some sort...

I was going to say: It all really is very beautiful, and even glorious, in it's own way, as I said in my post I linked to in post#21, "beautiful glorious chaos"... But... "It is what is it is" basically... and "it is what I just said it was", (based on and defined through "pain" (also) basically) and it does not make sense without God, an afterlife, ect... but at the same time makes perfect sense with Christ, which is part of why I am a Christian...

Anyway,

God Bless!

Still makes perfect sense to me.
 
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Still makes perfect sense to me.
It's not meant to last, wish it were, but it's just not... and I think were getting closer and closer to that day and and age where it will be determined, or it will be judged... We will be judged, ect...

Or, "who will remember us" if we fail the test...? Or "who will save us" if we fail the test...?

God Bless!
 
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It's not meant to last, wish it were, but it's just not... and I think were getting closer and closer to that day and and age where it will be determined, or it will be judged... We will be judged, ect...

Or, "who will remember us" if we fail the test...? Or "who will save us" if we fail the test...?

God Bless!
And it's not (meant to last) because of "us" and a problem with "us", (the sickness we have that I linked about in post #21) that, from a certain point of view, can our species seem as "less than animal" at times... The Bible goes into this in great detail...

God Bless!
 
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It's not meant to last,

Is it?

wish it were, but it's just not...

And that's the point: Our wishes do not change reality.

Stanley Kubrick put it best: The most terrifying thing about the universe is not that it's hostile, but that it's indifferent.

and I think were getting closer and closer to that day and and age where it will be determined, or it will be judged... We will be judged, ect...

And if thinking that helps, good for you.

Or, "who will remember us" if we fail the test...? Or "who will save us" if we fail the test...?

Or, "who tests the testers?" While we're at it...
 
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Is it?



And that's the point: Our wishes do not change reality.

Stanley Kubrick put it best: The most terrifying thing about the universe is not that it's hostile, but that it's indifferent.



And if thinking that helps, good for you.



Or, "who tests the testers?" While we're at it...
The test is "abiding stagnation", and not destroying ourselves, or extincting ourselves, and say, the earths ability to support life by not being able to "abide stagnation" or something, in the process or something, ect...

The test will be when we have to have a one world culture or people, or government, or must have a unified world and be at peace with one another and ourselves, or, "we will not have" a unified world or be at peace with each other and ourselves, ect...

And, I think while this sickness remains it will not be possible...

And do you know how far off we are from being able to "spread" (or infect) "anywhere else besides planet earth" or our solar system right now...? It will be a long, long, long time, and way down the road probably before that will happen, if it ever does, unless they discover something new that would enable them, or us to, ect... But I think it's a long way off...

God Bless!
 
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The test is "abiding stagnation", and not destroying ourselves, or extincting ourselves, and say, the earths ability to support life by not being able to "abide stagnation" or something, in the process or something, ect...

The test will be when we have to have a one world culture or people, or government, or must have a unified world and be at peace with one another and ourselves, or, "we will not have" a unified world or be at peace with each other and ourselves, ect...

And, I think while this sickness remains it will not be possible...

And do you know how far off we are from being able to "spread" (or infect) "anywhere else besides planet earth" or our solar system right now...? It will be a long, long, long time, and way down the road probably before that will happen, if it ever does, unless they discover something new that would enable them, or us to, ect... But I think it's a long way off...

God Bless!
We may have been judged multiple times already, over history's past, but never as a one world government, culture, or unified world... This or that time is promised to be, let's just say, "very impressively devastating and catastrophic" if we fail... End of the species maybe, who knows...

Well, it might have happened early on in the beginnings of Genesis maybe, but not ever since then, and it has not ever been the whole world, as one, or a single worldwide (global or spanning the globe worldwide) region at one time, since then...

God Bless!
 
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Love is pain, and freedom is a bloody business...

Life torture and torment, ect...

And all we have and all we know and all we are (here) is predicated on or is defined or shaped or grown only by and through our suffering and the amount we suffer in this world alone... Our reality and/or us is defined through much deep sorrow, and toil, and misery, and pain and anguish, that we inflict on ourselves and others... and no one truly Loves, not like God anyway...
If that is your reality, I am sorry for you; it definitely isn't mine.

Doesn't make any sense without an afterlife or God or gods involved period...

God Bless!
It doesn't make sense to YOU without God; for me it makes perfect sense without God.
 
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If that is your reality, I am sorry for you; it definitely isn't mine.


It doesn't make sense to YOU without God; for me it makes perfect sense without God.
Do you have eyes and a conscience...? Or just not seeing the big picture, or what...?

And, I'm not trying to be mean or sound insulting, really, "really"... they are just honest questions for or to me is all...?

Appreciate your reply.

God Bless!

Oh, and it's not me, or mine so much, (except maybe used to be) but I can't help what I see around me is all... People hurting each other like this, gotta stop... And over nothing much of the time... But then, many of them do not know what they are doing... (sigh)...

Oh and I failed at doing it perfectly as well, where I thought or used to think I could or would pass the test, when I was actually tested, I found out that I failed, and came up short as well, and was no better than no one (else) (out there and what I see out there) And no different from them... It was a very valuable lesson that I will never forget... And changed and changes my perspective forever...

I thought Love and my Love would "go to the pits of hell" with somebody or for somebody, or other people to rescue them or whatever, ride or die... well, I found out about that now (also) didn't I...? Truth is not very many peoples will or actually does, even when they might think it does or would... I got put to the test on that and failed...

God Bless!
 
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I've met Him, and I understand...

God Bless!
I actually have, too!

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It was truly a religious experience!
 
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The test is "abiding stagnation", and not destroying ourselves, or extincting ourselves, and say, the earths ability to support life by not being able to "abide stagnation" or something, in the process or something, ect...

Not entirely sure what you're saying here, but I'd just like to point out that the classical view of "heaven" is defined by stagnation... are you ready to abite it for eternity?

The test will be when we have to have a one world culture or people, or government, or must have a unified world and be at peace with one another and ourselves, or, "we will not have" a unified world or be at peace with each other and ourselves, ect...

Again... pretty much heaven in a nutshell. Peace and unity -- enforced with ultimate totalitarianism.

And, I think while this sickness remains it will not be possible...

What sickness is that?

And do you know how far off we are from being able to "spread" (or infect) "anywhere else besides planet earth" or our solar system right now...? It will be a long, long, long time, and way down the road probably before that will happen, if it ever does, unless they discover something new that would enable them, or us to, ect... But I think it's a long way off...

God Bless!



And you just lost me again...
 
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Do you have eyes and a conscience...? Or just not seeing the big picture, or what...?
I see the big picture, and for the most part; I like what I see. I do suspect however; you might be seeing a lot of things that just aren’t there.
And, I'm not trying to be mean or sound insulting, really, "really"... they are just honest questions for or to me is all...?

Appreciate your reply.

God Bless!
If your life is as painful as you say it is, you might consider professional help; there are people trained to deal with some of the issues you appear to have.

Oh, and it's not me, or mine so much, (except maybe used to be) but I can't help what I see around me is all... People hurting each other like this, gotta stop... And over nothing much of the time... But then, many of them do not know what they are doing... (sigh)...
Yeah; there is a lot of bad out there. Do you also see the good?
Oh and I failed at doing it perfectly as well, where I thought or used to think I could or would pass the test, when I was actually tested, I found out that I failed, and came up short as well, and was no better than no one (else) (out there and what I see out there) And no different from them... It was a very valuable lesson that I will never forget... And changed and changes my perspective forever...

I thought Love and my Love would "go to the pits of hell" with somebody or for somebody, or other people to rescue them or whatever, ride or die... well, I found out about that now (also) didn't I...? Truth is not very many peoples will or actually does, even when they might think it does or would... I got put to the test on that and failed...

God Bless!
Not trying to sound mean or insulting, but again; I would encourage you to get professional help.
 
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Things like this:

The end of everything we know....

I know within me that we are more than just dust in the wind, so to speak...

And then there is the more obvious, about all the suffering that many good people suffer, in this life ect, our evil nature right now, none of it can make sense without God and with out more life after this, cause we know we and this even, has to be more than this, or very much more to it (all) than just "this"...

God Bless!

I'd have thought that the presence of people suffering would be easier to explain if there was no God...
 
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I see the big picture, and for the most part; I like what I see. I do suspect however; you might be seeing a lot of things that just aren’t there.

If your life is as painful as you say it is, you might consider professional help; there are people trained to deal with some of the issues you appear to have.


Yeah; there is a lot of bad out there. Do you also see the good?

Not trying to sound mean or insulting, but again; I would encourage you to get professional help.
Look my life is pretty good, but getting to sit at a distance from "the rest of it", I can't help but see what I see out there, with "other people" ect...

I have to try and see the good in the bad, or I "might not make it", (or be able to be a part of it) essentially...

God Bless!
 
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Look, I see a lot of people, like 99.99% of them suffering and causing others suffering, and, AND are going to destroy themselves, basically, due to just plain ignorance and stupidity... I just do not know if they are willingly freely choosing to be like this or this ignorant, individually and/or collectively as a species or not...

And if you think we are good, were not nearly good enough to prevent the inevitable if we don't wake up, and stop this "insanity"...

And, I already said that I thought it was very beautiful in it's own way, but that doesn't change the facts though... "If" were "good", "IF", then were not nearly "good enough" and that is the problem...

God Bless!
 
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