Replacement Theology Refuted

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Study Jewish history in the OT and see if what I say is not true. Sentiments do not refute what I'm saying.

As I stated, your posts haven't said much except the church is Israel. My OP had a lot to say that it is rather the vehicle to raise the tribes of Jacob and to be a light to the gentiles, substantiated in numerous OT texts such as Isaiah 49, Zechariah 10 and Genesis 22:18. My OP is not based on sentiments, rather your responses continue to suppress the grammatical-historical intent of scripture based on sentiment.

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As I stated, your posts haven't said much except the church is Israel. My OP had a lot to say that it is rather the vehicle to raise the tribes of Jacob and to be a light to the gentiles, substantiated in numerous OT texts such as Isaiah 49, Zechariah 10 and Genesis 22:18. My OP is not based on sentiments, rather your responses continue to suppress the grammatical-historical intent of scripture based on sentiment.

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16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
Without circumcision, the only biblical Israel is the church.
 
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Without circumcision, the only biblical Israel is the church.

See what I mean? One sentence in your mind dismisses the entire OP. So I respond with curt answers. According to scriptures, the church is the vehicle to raise the tribes of Jacob and to be a light to the gentiles, substantiated in numerous OT texts such as Isaiah 49, Zechariah 10 and Genesis 22:18.

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See what I mean? One sentence in your mind dismisses the entire OP. So I respond with curt answers. According to scriptures, the church is the vehicle to raise the tribes of Jacob and to be a light to the gentiles, substantiated in numerous OT texts such as Isaiah 49, Zechariah 10 and Genesis 22:18.

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16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
You need to get around the not being circumcised problem. No circumcision = no Jews.
 
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You need to get around the not being circumcised problem. No circumcision = no Jews.

I don't have to get around anything. Biology and the scriptures demolish your misrepresentations.
 
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Since the gentiles are heirs to Abraham’s covenant in Christ (Galatians 3:29) then they inherit the land and not heaven. Again, references to the contrary are based only on a superficial analysis.
What is this? Is it a new version of Jehovah's witnesses 144,000 coheirs with Christ and a "great crowd" dwelling on Earth after Armageddon?

By the way There's no such thing as replacement theology all there is is the theology of Jesus Christ as heir to the promises in whom all of God's promises are "yes and amen" and with whom Christians are joint heirs with Christ because they are incorporated into the body of Christ making them heirs and at the same time the Israel of God.
 
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I read this discussion with much interest.
I too, have promoted the idea of the ten Northern tribes, being the main group of Christians today. This belief just excites detractors to label me a 'British Israelite' and a cult promoter.

So, I find it best to leave that idea to God, as He knows who they are and we don't. Amos 9:9
All will be revealed soon, as the Lord will gather all His people into the holy Land and divide them into 12 groups. Revelation 7:1-14

Those people; faithful Christians from every tribe, race, nation and language, will be all the sons of the living God, Romans 9:24-26 and whether they are actual descendants of Jacob , or Spiritual descendants of Abraham- by their faith, does not matter. Either way they will fulfil Gods Promises to the Patriarchs.
It is our privilege as Christians today, to be at this point in time, when the great Plan of God comes to fruition, for Him to obtain a people who have freely chosen to believe in Him, although we have not seen Him and to have the faith of Salvation in Jesus.
He plans to bless and reward those people mightily, as they live in peace and prosperity in all of the holy Land; His witnesses, Isaiah 43:10; John 15:27 and His Light to the nations. Isaiah 49:8, Matthew 5:14-16

I have copied your excellent post #13, Jerry, for future reference.
 
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What is this? Is it a new version of Jehovah's witnesses 144,000 coheirs with Christ and a "great crowd" dwelling on Earth after Armageddon?

By the way There's no such thing as replacement theology all there is is the theology of Jesus Christ as heir to the promises in whom all of God's promises are "yes and amen" and with whom Christians are joint heirs with Christ because they are incorporated into the body of Christ making them heirs and at the same time the Israel of God.

No need to dignify the insulting JW comment. And for RT not existing, the quote in the OP vindicates that it does.
 
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for RT not existing, the quote in the OP vindicates that it does.
All the quote in the OP does is show that some dude thinks that there's such a thing as "replacement theology" like you do. But it's a fantasy. Not a real thing.

Christ is Israel and in union with Christ the body of Christ is the Israel of God. The body of Christ is the Christian Church. If you want to be in Israel then be in the body of Christ. That is accomplished by faith working in love. It is a very easy to understand concept often stated in the new covenant scriptures.
 
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I read this discussion with much interest.
I too, have promoted the idea of the ten Northern tribes, being the main group of Christians today. This belief just excites detractors to label me a 'British Israelite' and a cult promoter.

So, I find it best to leave that idea to God, as He knows who they and we don't. Amos 9:9
All will be revealed soon, as the Lord will gather all His people into the holy Land and divide them into 12 groups. Revelation 7:1-14

Those people; faithful Christians from every tribe, race, nation and language, will be all the sons of the living God, Romans 9:24-26 and whether they are actual descendants of Jacob , or Spiritual descendants of Abraham- by their faith, does not matter. Either way they will fulfil Gods Promises to the Patriarchs.
It is our privilege as Christians today, to be at this point in time, when the great Plan of God comes to fruition, for Him to obtain a people who have freely chosen to believe in Him, although we have not seen Him and to have the faith of Salvation in Jesus.
He plans to bless and reward those people mightily, as they live in peace and prosperity in all of the holy Land; His witnesses, Isaiah 43:10; John 15:37 and His Light to the nations. Isaiah 49:8, Matthew 5:14-16

I have copied your excellent post #13, Jerry, for future reference.

Mark 4
22 For there is nothing hid, which shall not be manifested; neither was any thing kept secret, but that it should come abroad.

The kingdom of God was likened unto a treasure hidden in a field, that would be Ephraim/Israel. My gratification is in finding believers who are well studied like you, even if we do not agree perfectly on everything.
 
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All the quote in the OP does is show that some dude thinks that there's such a thing as "replacement theology" like you do. But it's a fantasy. Not a real thing.

Christ is Israel and in union with Christ the body of Christ is the Israel of God. The body of Christ is the Christian Church. If you want to be in Israel then be in the body of Christ. That is accomplished by faith working in love. It is a very easy to understand concept often stated in the new covenant scriptures.

The quote is from a denominational publication, which refutes your misrepresentation. The church is the vehicle to raise the tribes of Jacob and to be a light to the gentiles, substantiated in numerous OT texts such as Isaiah 49, Zechariah 10 and Genesis 22:18. My OP is not based on sentiments, rather your responses continue to suppress the grammatical-historical intent of scripture based on sentiment.
 
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The quote is from a denominational publication
Yes, Seventh Day Adventist Church is the denomination. Is quoting a SDA magazine article a serious attempt by you to prove that there really is such a thing as "replacement theology"? Or are you just relying on people not noticing that the quote is not seriously proposing that there is such a thing as "replacement theology" any more than my use of the words "replacement theology" proves that it really exists as a teaching of a credible church?

Christians believe that Jesus Christ is Israel - Matthew says
Matthew 2:13-15 Now when they had departed, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream and said, "Rise, take the child and his mother, and flee to Egypt, and remain there until I tell you, for Herod is about to search for the child, to destroy him." 14 And he rose and took the child and his mother by night and departed to Egypt 15 and remained there until the death of Herod. This was to fulfil what the Lord had spoken by the prophet, "Out of Egypt I called my son."​
And Paul teaches that Christians are united with Jesus Christ
Romans 6:1-14 What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it? 3 Do you not know that all of us who have been baptised into Christ Jesus were baptised into his death? 4 We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his. 6 We know that our old self was crucified with him in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin. 7 For one who has died has been set free from sin. 8 Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. 9 We know that Christ, being raised from the dead, will never die again; death no longer has dominion over him. 10 For the death he died he died to sin, once for all, but the life he lives he lives to God. 11 So you also must consider yourselves dead to sin and alive to God in Christ Jesus. 12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, to make you obey its passions. 13 Do not present your members to sin as instruments for unrighteousness, but present yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life, and your members to God as instruments for righteousness. 14 For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.​
And Paul teaches that because of their union with Jesus Christ Christians have become the body of Christ
Romans 12:3-8 For by the grace given to me I say to everyone among you not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think with sober judgement, each according to the measure of faith that God has assigned. 4 For as in one body we have many members, and the members do not all have the same function, 5 so we, though many, are one body in Christ, and individually members one of another. 6 Having gifts that differ according to the grace given to us, let us use them: if prophecy, in proportion to our faith; 7 if service, in our serving; the one who teaches, in his teaching; 8 the one who exhorts, in his exhortation; the one who contributes, in generosity; the one who leads, with zeal; the one who does acts of mercy, with cheerfulness.

1 Corinthians 12:12-31 For just as the body is one and has many members, and all the members of the body, though many, are one body, so it is with Christ. 13 For in one Spirit we were all baptised into one body--Jews or Greeks, slaves or free--and all were made to drink of one Spirit. 14 For the body does not consist of one member but of many. 15 If the foot should say, "Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body," that would not make it any less a part of the body. 16 And if the ear should say, "Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body," that would not make it any less a part of the body. 17 If the whole body were an eye, where would be the sense of hearing? If the whole body were an ear, where would be the sense of smell? 18 But as it is, God arranged the members in the body, each one of them, as he chose. 19 If all were a single member, where would the body be? 20 As it is, there are many parts, yet one body. 21 The eye cannot say to the hand, "I have no need of you," nor again the head to the feet, "I have no need of you." 22 On the contrary, the parts of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable, 23 and on those parts of the body that we think less honourable we bestow the greater honour, and our unpresentable parts are treated with greater modesty, 24 which our more presentable parts do not require. But God has so composed the body, giving greater honour to the part that lacked it, 25 that there may be no division in the body, but that the members may have the same care for one another. 26 If one member suffers, all suffer together; if one member is honoured, all rejoice together. 27 Now you are the body of Christ and individually members of it. 28 And God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, helping, administrating, and various kinds of tongues. 29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? 30 Do all possess gifts of healing? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret? 31 But earnestly desire the higher gifts. And I will show you a still more excellent way.​
Paul explains that the body of Christ is the church.
Colossians 1:24-29 Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I am filling up what is lacking in Christ's afflictions for the sake of his body, that is, the church, 25 of which I became a minister according to the stewardship from God that was given to me for you, to make the word of God fully known, 26 the mystery hidden for ages and generations but now revealed to his saints. 27 To them God chose to make known how great among the Gentiles are the riches of the glory of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory. 28 Him we proclaim, warning everyone and teaching everyone with all wisdom, that we may present everyone mature in Christ. 29 For this I toil, struggling with all his energy that he powerfully works within me.

Ephesians 5:22-24 Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Saviour. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit in everything to their husbands.​
And Paul teaches that Christ is the seed of Abraham to whom the promises were given.
Galatians 3:15-29 To give a human example, brethren: no one annuls even a man's will, or adds to it, once it has been ratified. 16 Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, "And to offsprings," referring to many; but, referring to one, "And to your offspring," which is Christ. 17 This is what I mean: the law, which came four hundred and thirty years afterward, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void. 18 For if the inheritance is by the law, it is no longer by promise; but God gave it to Abraham by a promise. 19 Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made; and it was ordained by angels through an intermediary. 20 Now an intermediary implies more than one; but God is one. 21 Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not; for if a law had been given which could make alive, then righteousness would indeed be by the law. 22 But the scripture consigned all things to sin, that what was promised to faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. 23 Now before faith came, we were confined under the law, kept under restraint until faith should be revealed. 24 So that the law was our custodian until Christ came, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a custodian; 26 for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. 27 For as many of you as were baptised into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.​
This is theology, the story of God making himself heir of the promises so that God can make those in Christ - that is to say, the church - into heirs of the promises because by incorporation into Christ they become heirs with Christ and share in the divine nature through Christ.

This ought to be elementary teaching to any Christian. It ought not need to be reiterated here. It is "the milk of the word of God" not the meat, but it looks like it needs to be repeated again because some have decided to forget it and pretend that gentiles want to replace Jews as God's chosen people when the truth is that God's chosen is Jesus Christ and always was and always will be thus outside of Christ there is no salvation and without faith in Jesus Christ there is no hope and no promises. Christ is the yes and the amen of all God's promises.
2 Corinthians 1:18-22 As surely as God is faithful, our word to you has not been Yes and No. 19 For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, whom we preached among you, Silva'nus and Timothy and I, was not Yes and No; but in him it is always Yes. 20 For all the promises of God find their Yes in him. That is why we utter the Amen through him, to the glory of God. 21 But it is God who establishes us with you in Christ, and has commissioned us; 22 he has put his seal upon us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.
 
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Cottrell used replacement theology
Let's take a look at that quoted magazine article. It's title is "seventh-day adventists, conditional prophecy, and free will" by richard w. coffen
And this is the section containing the quote you used.
The Implications of Cottrell’s Essay
As noted previously, Francis Nichol put the kibosh on asserting in the Seventh-day Adventist Bible Commentary that all biblical prophecy is conditional. Cottrell, team player that he was, acceded to Nichol’s wishes. However, the two came to an agreement that Cottrell had a modicum of freedom to pursue the concept in volume 4 of the commentary. Cottrell wrote, with Nichol’s blessing, an introductory essay titled “The Role of Israel in Old Testament P r o p h e c y.”The title makes no reference to either prophecy or conditionalism, and indeed it is a softened version of conditionalism. Cottrell used replacement theology (a.k.a. supersessionism)10 to explain the abortive predictions about Israel’s future glory and to argue for the concept of conditional proph e c y.For instance: “The promises and predictions given through the Old Testament prophets originally applied to literal Israel and were to have been fulfilled to them on the condition that they obey God and remain loyal to Him.”11 Note Cottrell’s careful wording in his explanation of this line of reasoning: “God’s promises to Israel were all conditional.”12 Subtle but noteworthy! Here the word “promises” stands in for prophecy and predictions, and the adjective “conditional” is hiding at the end of the sentence rather than directly preceding “promises.”His explanation for conditionality à la supersessionism followed: “The plan itself never changes, because God never changes. But the manner in which it is carried out may change because man may change. The fickle, human will is the weak, unstable factor in conditional prophecy.”13He cinched his argument by citing Ellen White: “‘The promises and threatenings of God are alike conditional’”14Cottrell, whose name never accompanied the material, urged interpreters of prophecy to “observe the conditional aspects of the prediction and ascertain whether or not, or to what extent, the conditions were met.”15​
So how does this prove that "replacement theology exists as a doctrine of any credible church?
 
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The church is the vehicle to raise the tribes of Jacob and to be a light to the gentiles, substantiated in numerous OT texts such as Isaiah 49, Zechariah 10 and Genesis 22:18.

The fulfillment of Genesis 22:18 is in the one seed found in Matthew 1:1, and Galatians 3:16.

When the Church began on the Day of Pentecost Peter addressed the crowd as "all the house of Israel", and "men of Judaea", and "men of Israel", in Acts chapter 2.

How much clearer could it be?

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It has cultish teaching like righteousness by works, Mary worship and numerous doctrines that are not taught in the scriptures.
Strawmen, the Catholic Church does none of that, also The Church being Israel is clear in Scriptures
 
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I don't have to get around anything. Biology and the scriptures demolish your misrepresentations.

You are espousing British Israelism, which is a modernist doctrine nonexistent in the early true Christian Church, and for well in excess of 1,000 years thereafter.

From the web article: "Most Christians regard it as a cult."

Since the DNA of Israel's tribes is now ubiquitous within the human race, and since DNA was never a covenant criterion (Genesis 17:12); any argument which attempts to replace faith and obedience with "biology" (aka "replacement biology") in God's covenants, is immediately null and void.

Abraham lineage
DNA Tests Could Fulfill God’s Promise to Abraham by Revealing Millions of Jews. But How Jewish is Jewish Enough?
Israel in all of Us? Research finds 'Jewish genes' in unusual places
Jewish-Roots Arabs in Israel
Tracing the lost tribes to Jewish communities in Africa
Nigeria's Igbo Jews: 'Lost tribe' of Israel? - CNN
http://www.worldjewishcongress.org/...-africa-has-jewish-roots-genetic-tests-reveal
https://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/...her-claims-proof-of-tribe-of-Ephraim-in-India
https://www.jta.org/2013/05/23/life...bush-bani-israel-tribe-claims-jewish-heritage

Example of the mathematical confirmation of ancestral genetic ubiquity
 
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Jerryhuerta said:
I didn't say J. H. Allen was such an individual; he is of the previous generation. The ante-Nicene's were chiliast, which rebukes RT's perception of the age to come. The RT perception leads to post or amillennial results. So show us where the early post-apostolic era held the age to come represents the eternal estate and not the millennial kingdom of Christ. As I stated, the ante-Nicene's are not a reliable source to substantiate RT's eschatology or mine. It attempts to suppress progressive revelation.
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You avoided addressing the ante-Nicene's did not uphold RT's post and amillennial presumptions. There are no historical substantiations for RT teaching. And a cult would be anything that denies basic Christian, scripturally substantiated, teaching and my OP conveys that would be RT, albeit RT has its origins in the Roman church, the biggest accepted cultish church in history.
LittleLambofJesus said:
Are you implying the RCC is a cult?
Jerryhuerta said:
It has cultish teaching like righteousness by works, Mary worship and numerous doctrines that are not taught in the scriptures.
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What is their stance concerning RT today?
We must consider that the ante-Nicene's were chiliast and so RT can't take their origins back that far. It was the rearing of the Roman church that ended chiliasm and supplanted it with postmillennialism and the continued belief that the church replaced Israel, the latter thought held by Justin Martyr, an ante-Nicene patriarch. Consequently, the origins of RT actually finds itself in the Roman church and not any time prior, when considering post and amill must be joined to it. The Roman church is actually the biggest support of RT.
I believe one reason the SDA's, Christadelphians, Luther and perhaps other denominations felt the RCC/Rome/Vatican was in revelation was the fact that "purple and fine linen" are mentioned in Revelation, which are colors RC priests are clothed in.
However Jesus identified the House of Judah and their City in the covenantle parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus......let's look at that:
[btw, I am preterist/amill]

"purple" AND "fine linen" occurs in 3 verses together in the NT

Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary
Luke 16:19

A certain Man/Judah was rich and clothed in purple and fine linen making-merry down to a-day, shiningly<2988> [Matt 22:11]

The clothing of the rich man identifies him symbolically with the people of Israel, chosen by God to be His special people. They were called to be a witness to the nations surrounding them, confirming the blessings available to those who would obey God and keep His laws. Unfortunately, they frequently did not live up to the high calling given to them by God.............................

We begin by scrutinizing the description Yeshua gives us of the rich man. First, he tells us that this man was clothed in purple and fine linen. This type of clothing would not have been out of the ordinary for one of considerable wealth during this time period.

However, this attire also has symbolic meaning.
The Eerdmans Bible Dictionary says: "The wearing of purple was associated particularly with royalty . . ." (p. 863, "Purple"). In addition, the New Bible Dictionary tells us: "The use of linen in OT times was prescribed for priests (Exodus 28:39). The coat, turban and girdle must be of fine linen." (p. 702, "Linen").................

So we see that the garments worn by this rich man were symbolic of royalty and the priesthood. With that in mind, let's see what God told Moses just before giving the Israelites the Law on Mount Sinai:

While the significance of this seemingly pointless detail has been neglected by scholars throughout the centuries, you can be certain that it did not escape the notice of the Pharisees and scribes to which Yeshua was speaking. They thoroughly knew their history and were extremely proud of their heritage. Yeshua wanted those self-righteous Pharisees to know exactly who he was referring to with this parable. This detail cements the identity of the rich man as the House of Judah, the Jews!
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The Queen/Harlot in Revelation is also clothed in purple and fine linen:

The Great City/Harlot/Queen Revelation chapts 17-19

Revelation 17:4
And the Woman was having been arrayed with purple and scarlet/crimson<2847> and gilded<5558> to gold, and precious stone, and pearls, having a golden Cup in Her hand, replete of abominations and uncleanness<169> of Her whoredom,
Revelation 18:7
7 ‘As much as She glorifies Herself and indulges so much, be giving to Her torment and sorrow. That in Her heart She is saying: 'I am sitting a Queen, and a Widow not I am being, and sorrow not no I shall seeing.'
12 Cargo of gold and silver, and precious stone and pearl and fine linen and purple, [Luke 16:19/Revelation 18:16] and silk, and scarlet, and all wood, and every vessel of ivory, and every vessel of most precious wood and brass and iron and marble
16 and saying, Woe! woe! the great City, that was having been arrayed with fine linen, and purple and scarlet, and have been gilded in gold and precious stone and pearls, That to one hour was desolated<2049> the so much riches.
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A thread started by an SDA using Luther's anti-Catholic stance for proof that the Papacy and Rome are in Revelation......

Martin Luther identifies the Antichrist over 500 years ago!
The quote copied below is from one of Martin Luther's last books. It was titled: "A Prelude by Martin Luther on the Babylonian Captivity of the Church".

Page 536, chapter 3.

"Nevertheless, since few know this glory of baptism and the blessedness of Christian liberty, and cannot know them because of the tyranny of the pope, I for one will walk away from it all and redeem my conscience by bringing this charge against the pope and all his papists: Unless they will abolish their laws and traditions, and restore to Christ's churches their liberty and have it taught among them, they are guilty of all the souls that perish under this miserable captivity, and the papacy is truly the kingdom of Babylon, yes, the kingdom of the real Antichrist! '

For who is " the man of sin" and "the son of perdition" but
he that with his doctrines and his laws increases sins and the perdition of souls in the Church, while he sits in the Church as if he were God?

All this the papal tyranny has fulfilled, and more than fulfilled, these many centuries. It has extinguished faith, obscured the sacraments and oppressed the Gospel."

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And the RT straw man gets thoroughly bloodied, beaten, bruised yet again.
And they still keep coming back for more...............
 
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But he didn't, did he? God doesn't need anything; that does not translate into he hasn't used the descendants of Abraham in his plans, promises and prophecies. The scriptures affirm he has!

If God was worried about biological progeny - Jesus would have produced children in the flesh.
 
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So far the conversation has been pretty shallow; it certainly hasn't proffered any challenges to my exegesis. Bromides such as the church is spiritual Israel is not any real challenge. It doesn't eliminate the grammatical-historical intent of the OT texts I've cited, try as they might with such bromides.

How about this:

Paul states in Ephesians 2:

12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.

18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:

22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

Now if Christ tore down the wall of partition between Jew and Gentile back in the 1st century; why would He resurrect it 1900 years later?
 
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