How tall were the Nephilim

brinny said:

i think some parts of the book of enoch say they're 9000 feet tall....

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That's why it isn't part of the Protestant Canon.

Hall said:

Exactly. Now you are beggining to understand...

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LOL! Not sure we're on the same page here, cuz i'm wondering if any part at all of the book of enoch is credible?

Christie insb said:

That's why it isn't part of the Protestant Canon.

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Well it does seem doubtful, since 9000 feet is like mountain high LOL!

Hall said:

About half of it is, measurements definitely arent accurate though.

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which half?

Hall said:

Mix and match here and there, that's why it wasnt included in the Bible.

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Sounds like a "patchwork"

brinny said:

Did the Godly man, Enoch, write it?

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Well the Books of Moses cover that time period and they were written thousands of years later. Did humans even write when Enoch was alive? I thought it was all oral tradition.

Hall said:

I believe it was the mutation with human DNA that made them tall but their fathers were regular angel size which I imagine under 9 ft

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Can you cite Scripture - - or anything - - that would sound like this might be somewhere in the realm of plausibility? In broad terms. Is there anything in Enoch?

Christie insb said:

Well the Books of Moses cover that time period and they were written thousands of years later. Did humans even write when Enoch was alive? I thought it was all oral tradition.

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It is my understanding as well that it was oral tradition.

Hall said:

I only know that the approximate size of an angel is around under 9 or 10 feet based on apparicions witnessed in churches and such. The book of Enoch says the Nephilim were beggining to deplete all food sources that were meant for humans, so that tells me they must've had pretty huge stomachs, stomachs much bigger than a 9 foot being. But that is only assuming, just putting gathered info together that makes sense to me. I could be very wrong though.

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I am getting into everything tonight! Anyway I was just going to say it depends on how many Nephilim there were. Also sometimes people don't want to share, like our sometimes attitude that all the game belongs to us and the bears and wolves had better just become vegans but not eat on our grazing land.

Hall said:

Numbers 13:33
We saw the Nephilim there (the descendants of Anak come from the Nephilim). We seemed like grasshoppers in our own eyes, and we looked the same to them."

Do you think that is metaphorically speaking or do you think the Nephilim were actually that tall, meaning probably hundreds of feet tall if you compare yourself to a grasshopper... I was glancing through a few crazy documentaries on youtube today, and one of them was saying the mount called the Devil's tower actually is the remnance of a Nephilim's foot ??? I was like ok, that person must be on crack or something, then that verse came up. Hmm... What do you think, were the Nephilim as tall as they make them to be?

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In Amos 2:9 it says the amorite were the height of cedar trees, the average height of a cedar tree is 30m - 40m tall

Christie insb said:

In Genesis they refer to them as heroes and men of renown. I just don't think they could communicate with humans if they were that big. Also I doubt that such creatures as a Nephilim would be able to have intercourse with women if their sex organs were in any way proportionate.

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It wasn't the giants that had intercourse with the women... It was the fallen angels. The offspring were not human and were not limited by human genealogy.
The bible is clear. Some cases it says that they were tall as cedars in Lebanon. Others, the Hebrews looked like grasshoppers.

They had a knowledge of making things bigger. How big was that bunch of grapes again?

Numbers 13:23 King James Version (KJV)

23 And they came unto the brook of Eshcol, and cut down from thence a branch with one cluster of grapes, and they bare it between two upon a staff; and they brought of the pomegranates, and of the figs.

Christie insb said:

Well the Books of Moses cover that time period and they were written thousands of years later. Did humans even write when Enoch was alive? I thought it was all oral tradition.

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Enoch was able to write. And if you look at the ages of people in those days and the times when they were born.... Adam lived almost up until Noah was born. Methuselah would have or could have known and communicated with Adam and Noah.. for many years. Noah lived almost long enough to see Abraham born. Noah's son Shem could have met Issac. Although he would have been very young.

As you can see, with the long lives of the early patriarchs, the words of our history from creation to the flood and all the events of that time... are not all old stories passed down over generations as some would have you believe.

Adam could have told Methuselah who told Shem who told Abraham...... That is not a very long list of people and they all would have know their elder for many years...

IMO this gives huge credibility to the accounts of our early years as they are portrayed in the bible.

One more thing, the Book of Jasher, The Book of Enoch and the writings of Josephus... have a lot of the same information.

Is it hard to look at these texts as being true due to them being so unusual? Or, is it because it is so different than what we can think it would have been like.

I firmly believe that the days before the flood, and shortly after... were very very different times than what we see today.

1. Sons of God deal with the seed of Seth marrying the seed of Seth. New Testament list Sons of God as regular humans It's not uncommon.
2. Angels don't have reproductive organs, Bible says neither male nor female. Matt 22
3. Nephilim refers to giants, the term is used before and after the flood. So it's not referring to a demigod creature that lived in genesis, but survived the flood and their descendants made it to Numbers 13 and Deut. 1 ( og of bashan), Amos 2:9
4. It is quite possible they were over 10ft before and after the flood. We limit our thinking to what's possible now, when these humans were closer to creation/the beginning than we are.

atGeki said:

1. Sons of God deal with the seed of Seth marrying the seed of Seth. New Testament list Sons of God as regular humans It's not uncommon.
2. Angels don't have reproductive organs, Bible says neither male nor female. Matt 22
3. Nephilim refers to giants, the term is used before and after the flood. So it's not referring to a demigod creature that lived in genesis, but survived the flood and their descendants made it to Numbers 13 and Deut. 1 ( og of bashan), Amos 2:9
4. It is quite possible they were over 10ft before and after the flood. We limit our thinking to what's possible now, when these humans were closer to creation/the beginning than we are.

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1. The passage contrasts the sons of God with the daughters of men. The daughters of men are literally the daughters of Adam. Nothing in the passage (or any other passage) indicates the sons of Seth were Beni-Elohim. In fact they were the sons of men (the sons of Adam). In the scriptures there are only two classes called "the sons of God" one being angels and the other being those "born from above" (the saved IN CHRIST). Now it could be that the sons of Seth that were of faith, trusting in God and His promised redeemer (Genesis 3:15) are counted as the sons of God (and that is fine with me) but it is not in the text. We must be careful when men take what the word says and then instruct us in what it allegedly means (the cause of all denominational argument and wars).

2. Likewise (and for the same reason) the passage in Matthew 22 does not say (and no other passage anywhere) that angels when manifest as humans cannot or do not, have genitalia, and nothing anywhere describes them as physically genderless (EXCEPT when manifest as a human which then is always as a male). Matthew 22 DOES NOT say they cannot have sex (when appearing in human form...all human forms have genitalia) but that IN HEAVEN they do not get married.

It says when we are in heaven we will be like the angels IN HEAVEN (not when on earth) who neither marry or are given to marry (or in marriage). That is NOT the same. When we are in the presence of God without a physical body we will not care about such mundane things. When God became manifest as a man he had reproductive organs (otherwise He would not have been a man) whether or not He chose to use them is a different issue (I am sure such carnal things would not have been something HE focused on even though He was tempted in all ways just as we are).

Should I wait for the responses to the 3 & 4?
If we are to believe that the genesis text referring to Sons of God it would be the only text. No other time does call an angel his Son, Sons. My 3rd point was to validate that the Nephilim were very tall humans and the term used for giants is used both before and after the flood. So did angels come down again after the flood? No. The text makes more sense spiritual and rationally that they were the seed of Seth, a holy line. That holy line had descendants who saw the line of Cain as desirable and began to reproduce. Angels/Demons are spiritual being. Are we to believe that these spiritual demons laid with mankind, God's creation and God allowed it? I don't believe so. In against its completely acceptable to call Seth's seed the Sons of God as God references Jesus as the second or last Adam. In addition to that Man became a living soul having the breath of God in him. Man is the only created being with a soul (breath of God).