WHERE DOES IT SAY GOD'S SABBATH IS ABOLSIHED AND WE ARE COMMANDED TO KEEP SUNDAY AS A HOLY DAY?

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I disagree, there he is talking about days, and food too, but those things are separate, it started talking about DAYS not with the food.

Also, 'nobody judge you about sabbath days'.

Your just repeating yourself here brother and disagreeing for the sake of disagreements sake without addressing any of the scriptures provided as a help to you as shown in post # 1597 linked. These are God's WORD not my words. You provide your own words which are not God's WORD. Your argument here is with God not me. Romans 14 says nothing about the Sabbath and you have no scripture to say it does. If you have no scripture showing that ROMANS 14 is talking about God's 4th commandment why pretend that it does?

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Your just repeating yourself here brother and disagreeing for the sake of disagreements sake without addressing any of the scriptures provided as a help to you as shown in post # 1597 linked. These are God's WORD not my words. You provide your own words which are not God's WORD. Your argument here is with God not me. Romans 14 says nothing about the Sabbath and you have no scripture to say it does. If you have no scripture showing that ROMANS 14 is talking about God's 4th commandment why pretend that it does?

Only sent in love as a help.

Most of the scriptures you gave me have nothing to do with sabbath, only the one of the 10 commandments. You like to repeat wall of scriptures, and you say i'm repeating myself.
At least i gave you scriptures that talks about days (or sabbaths because is a day) and one direclty mentioning the sabbath.
 
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Well none of that is true brother your only repeating yourself again.
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Whoever said keeping the law saves a person? If no one has ever said keeping the law saves a person why pretend that they have? If no one has ever said keeping the law saves anyone you have not argument so what are you arguing about?
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According to God's WORD all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23.
You wrote, again, that none of what I wrote is true; on the other hand, I wrote that there are two "You shall not" sentences. I quoted God's Word. Wow, for you to write that what I wrote is not true - wow. What I wrote is true, and it is God's Word, and here it is:

2 "I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.
3 "You shall have no other gods before Me.
4 "You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth.
5 "You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me,
6 but showing lovingkindness to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

In verse 2, God identifies His audience as the Israelites that He brought out of Egypt. That's thousands of years before you were born.

At the beginning of verse 6 is the conjuction "but" that establishes grammatical dependency between verse 6 and the content of verse 5.

God defined NO grammatical dependency between verese 2 to verse 3.

God defined NO grammatical dependency between verese 3 to verse 4.

God defined NO grammatical dependency of verse 4 based on verse 5, rather verse 5 gets it's "them" to be idols, but verse 4 is an indpendent sentence as well as verse 5 is an indpendent sentence each of which is a "You shall not" sentence; therefore, verse 4 is explicit, and verse 4 is God's Word.

All of this is true. I have not added to nor subtracted from God's Word.

The "Logical Conclusion to Keeping the Old Covenant Law Post" in which a drivers license or some such with a likeness of a person who keeps the Law of the Old Covenant remains logically and lexically correct.

Moving on to another of your points, your thoughts are manifested by your words. Your compositions make statements. By way of your compositions, you make assertions. You ask who said that anyone is saved by keeping the law, but your words express a corollary when you make a statement like "According to God's WORD all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN" when the thread is about keeping the Law based on the 7th day sabbath as recorded in Exodus 20:8-11. Now, the assertion is visible, that you assert that not keeping the said 7th day sabbath is continuing in unrepentant sin. That sure sounds like advocating for keeping the Law to me.

Pressing on to the most important point, here is the Truth in accord with God's Word revealed in this "Exclusively Scripture With Bible Citations Post" that Jesus said "the New Covenant" (Luke 22:20) and the Author of Hebrews wrote "When He said, 'A new [covenant],' He has made the first obsolete" (Hebrews 8:13). This shows how believers are bound to Jesus because He is God's Word. Not by works of man, rather by the Blood of Jesus! A Spirit-filled believer will have fruit commensurate with the words of Jesus, loving what Jesus loves and hating what Jesus hates!
 
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Most of the scriptures you gave me have nothing to do with sabbath, only the one of the 10 commandments. You like to repeat wall of scriptures, and you say i'm repeating myself. At least i gave you scriptures that talks about days (or sabbaths because is a day) and one direclty mentioning the sabbath.

Your only repeating yourself here brother without addressing anything in the post and scriptures provided to you. What you have posted here is agreeing with what I previously posted to you. This is the point I was making to you brother that by quoting ROMANS 14 there is not a single scripture in reference to God's 4th commandment Sabbath. The post to you went through the chapter of Romans 14 showing there is not a single scripture that mentions God's Sabbath and proves you are reading into the scriptures something that it is not talking about.

Hope this helps
 
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Your only repeating yourself here brother without addressing anything in the post and scriptures provided to you. What you have posted her is agreeing with what I previously posted to you. This is the point I was making to you brother that by quoting ROMANS 14 there is not a single scripture in reference to God's 4th commandment Sabbath. The post to you went through the chapter of Romans 14 showing there is not a single scripture that mentions God's Sabbath and proves you are reading into the scriptures something that it is not talking about.

Hope this helps

You have your interpretation and i have mine.
 
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You wrote, again, that none of what I wrote is true; on the other hand, I wrote that there are two "You shall not" sentences. I quoted God's Word. Wow, for you to write that what I wrote is not true - wow. What I wrote is true, and it is God's Word, and here it is: 2 "I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. 3 "You shall have no other gods before Me.
4 "You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth. 5 "You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing lovingkindness to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
As posted ealier in reference to what you were posting was not true is shown in the claims you are making that on your interpretation of EXODUS 20:4 which when CONTEXT is added back into the scripture shows that EXODUS 20:4 when read in connection with EXODUS 20:3-6 is in reference to making and serving other Gods (Idols) as shown below.

EXODUS 20:3-6
[3], You shall have no other gods before me.
[4], You shall not make to you any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
[5], You shall not bow down yourself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
[6], And showing mercy to thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

When you add the context back in to EXODUS 20:4 with EXODUS 20:3-6 it does not say what you are claiming brother. Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you.
In verse 2, God identifies His audience as the Israelites that He brought out of Egypt. That's thousands of years before you were born.
And your point here is?????
At the beginning of verse 6 is the conjuction "but" that establishes grammatical dependency between verse 6 and the content of verse 5. God defined NO grammatical dependency between verese 2 to verse 3. God defined NO grammatical dependency between verese 3 to verse 4. God defined NO grammatical dependency of verse 4 based on verse 5, rather verse 5 gets it's "them" to be idols, but verse 4 is an indpendent sentence as well as verse 5 is an indpendent sentence each of which is a "You shall not" sentence; therefore, verse 4 is explicit, and verse 4 is God's Word. All of this is true. I have not added to nor subtracted from God's Word.
Is this creative writing for saying CONTEXT does not matter o_O? Seriously brother are you really trying to argue that CONTEXT does not matter in understanding scripture? Exodus 20 in verses 3, 4, 5 are talking about the same subject matter which is havinf no other gods v3; not making any graven images or any likeness in heaven and earth and the water under the earth v4; Continuing the same thought is expressed in the v5 "THEM" where the same thought is being continued; v5 You shall not bow down to "THEM" or "SERVE THEM" for I am the LORD your God am a JEALOUS God. Now what is the "THEM" and why would the LORD be "JEALOUS"? EXODUS 20:3-5 are all the same CONTEXT; CONTENT and TOPIC. The "THEM" used in v5 and what the LORD is "JEALOUS" of is answered in v3-4. The "THEM" is making other gods and bowing down and serving them v3-5.
By leaving out the CONTEXT of EXODUS 20:4 as you quoted earlier has lead you to errors of interpretation of the scriptures. EXODUS 20:3-5 are the CONTEXT and SUBJECT MATTER. They are dependant one to another and v3-5 define the CONTEXT and SUBJECT MATTER of v4. These scriptures therefore are connected to each other as subject matter with v3 and v5 defining the CONTEXT of v4. Can you see your error here brother?
Moving on to another of your points, your thoughts are manifested by your words. Your compositions make statements. By way of your compositions, you make assertions. You ask who said that anyone is saved by keeping the law, but your words express a corollary when you make a statement like "According to God's WORD all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN" when the thread is about keeping the Law based on the 7th day sabbath as recorded in Exodus 20:8-11. Now, the assertion is visible, that you assert that not keeping the said 7th day sabbath is continuing in unrepentant sin. That sure sounds like advocating for keeping the Law to me.
Rubbish. I have never said ever and anywhere that we are saved by the works of the law. If I have never said such things why pretend that I have? We are saved by GRACE through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God *EPHESIANS 2:8. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) is the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNES *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. According to God's WORD if we break any one of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

According to God's WORD all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD through love. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

It is JESUS that says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God brother not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Who then do we BELIEVE and FOLLOW God or men *ROMANS 3:4. Yep I know who I believe. You provide your own words. My words are not my own but God's WORD. It is the Word of God that will be our judge come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48.

Now where is the scripture that says God’s 4th Commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? There is no scripture is there? If there is no scriprture for this tradition why do you not believe God’s WORD?
Pressing on to the most important point, here is the Truth in accord with God's Word revealed in this "Exclusively Scripture With Bible Citations Post" that Jesus said "the New Covenant" (Luke 22:20) and the Author of Hebrews wrote "When He said, 'A new [covenant],' He has made the first obsolete" (Hebrews 8:13). This shows how believers are bound to Jesus because He is God's Word. Not by works of man, rather by the Blood of Jesus! A Spirit-filled believer will have fruit commensurate with the words of Jesus, loving what Jesus loves and hating what Jesus hates!
As shown through the scriptures already is your understanding of what the OLD COVENANT was. You mix up the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 with God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) in the NEW COVENANT that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4. If you do not know what the OLD COVENANT is how can you know what the NEW COVENANT is that the OLD COVENANT pointed to?

As posted above and through out this thread we are ONLY saved by GRACE through faith in the Blood of JESUS and not of ourselves it is a gift of God *EPHESIANS 2:8. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

No one has God's SPIRIT while KNOWINGLY rejecting his WORD and living a life of KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN neither do they know God and need to be Born Again to LOVE * 1 JOHN 3:3-10; HEBREWS 8:10-12; ROMANS 13:8-10; ROMANS 3:31; 1 JOHN 2:3-4.

According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) is the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNES *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. According to God's WORD if we break any one of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

According to God's WORD all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD through love. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

It is JESUS that says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God brother not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Who then do we BELIEVE and FOLLOW God or men *ROMANS 3:4. Yep I know who I believe. You provide your own words. My words are not my own but God's WORD. It is the Word of God that will be our judge come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48.

Now where is the scripture that says God’s 4th Commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? There is no scripture is there? If there is no scriprture for this tradition why do you not believe God’s WORD?

Sorry brother God's WORD does not teach lawlessness.

Only sent in love as a help to you :)
 
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You have your interpretation and i have mine.

Indeed mine is based on God's WORD. Yours is based on MATTHEW 15:3-9 which is what the OP is about as you have no scripture for what you are promoting. Now where is the scripture that says God's 4th Commandment is abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? Yep there is none. If there is no scripture who should we BELIEVE and FOLLOW; God or man? I know who I believe, how about you *ROMANS 3:4?

Only sent in love as a help

God bless
 
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Indeed mine is based on God's WORD. Yours is based on MATTHEW 15:3-9 which is what the OP is about as you have no scripture for what you are promoting. Now where is the scripture that says God's 4th Commandment is abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? Yep there is none. If there is no scripture who should we BELIEVE and FOLLOW; God or man? I know who I believe, how about you *ROMANS 3:4?

Only sent in love as a help

God bless

If you base your belief in Ellen White teachings about the sabbath, didn't you know she told some false prophecies? that is a bad place to base your doctrine on.
 
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If you base your belief in Ellen White teachings about the sabbath, didn't you know she told some false prophecies? that is a bad place to base your doctrine on.

My BELIEF is based on God's WORD and God's WORD alone. I have only posted and provided God's WORD for what I BELIEVE and FOLLOW because it is written he whom God sends speaks the Word of God. He that has received his testimony has set to his seal that God is true. These are God's WORD not my words. You post your own words which are not God's WORD. Do you have any scripture to share in relation to the OP? Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God. JESUS says all those who FOLLOW the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Who should we BELIEVE and FOLLOW God or man? I know who I BELIEVE and FOLLOW how about you *ROMANS 3:4?

God's 4th Commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. According to God's WORD if we break any one of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

According to God's WORD all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD through love. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

Now where is the scripture that says God’s 4th Commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? There is no scripture is there? If there is no scriprture for this tradition why do you not believe God’s WORD?

Only sent in love as a help to you
 
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Just noticed guys now after 81 + pages seems no one is able to answer a single question from the OP here.....

The challenge I am putting up here in the OP is for anyone to show even one scripture that says God's 4th Commandment of the 10 commandments (Exodus 20:8-11) which was spoken and written by God himself to his people, has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

Can anyone please show me where in all the bible does is say (SOLA SCRIPTURA; Scripture only please)...

1. That God's 4th commandments 7th day Sabbath has been abolished?

2. That Jesus is a Sabbath?

3. The Sabbath (seventh day) was ever changed from the seventh to the first day of the week?

4. Where we are told to keep the first day of the week holy?

5. Where the first day of the week (Sunday) is ever called a holy day?

6. That says that Jesus ever kept the first day (Sunday)?

7. That tells us to keep the first day in honour of the resurrection of Christ?

8. Where the first day is ever given any sacred name?

9. That affirms that any of the apostles ever kept the first day as the Sabbath?

10. From any apostolic writings that authorizes Sunday observance as the Sabbath of God?

11. Where we are told not to work on the first day of the week?

12. That says the seventh day is no longer God's Sabbath day?

13. That says the seventh day Sabbath is ABOLISHED?

14. Where the apostles ever taught any convert to keep the first day of the week as a Sabbath?

15. Where the first day was ever appointed to be kept as the Lord's Day?

16. Where the first day of the week is ever called the Lord's Day?

17. That says that the first day of the week was ever sanctified and hallowed as a day of rest?

18. That says that the Father or the Son (Jesus) rested on the first day of the week?

19. That says that Jesus, Paul or any other of the apostles taught anyone to observe the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

20. That calls the seventh day the “Jewish Sabbath” or one text that calls Sunday the “Christian Sabbath”?

21. Telling man to keep the first day of the week holy or to worship or rest on the first day of the week?

22. Authorizing anyone to set aside God's Sabbath and observe any other day?

23. Showing any of the apostles keeping the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

24. Authorizing someone to set aside the fourth Commandment and observe any other day of the week?

25. Where any apostle taught us to keep the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

26. Declaring that the seventh day is no longer the Eternal Sabbath day?

27. Where Sunday is now appointed to be kept as the New Testament Sabbath or holy day?

...................

Something to think about here because we are all accountable to God come judgment day where we will all be judged by the Word of God (John 12:47-48).

God's Word makes it very clear that if we follow the teachings of men over the Word of God we are not following God...

MATTHEW 15:3-9 [3],
[3], But he answered and said unto them, Why do you also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
[4], For God commanded, saying, Honor your father and mother: and, He that curses father or mother, let him die the death.
[5], But you say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift devoted to God, whatsoever you might have received from me;
[6], And honors not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have you made the commandment of God void by your tradition.
[7], You hypocrites, well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying,
[8], These people draw near unto me with their mouth, and honor me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
[9], But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

If we are KNOWINGLY breaking ANY of God's commandments we are not worshipping God.

Look forward to your thoughts...
 
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In addition to the "Exclusively Scripture With Bible Citations Post" which clearly shows God's Word explaining believers covered by the Blood of Jesus of the New Covenant are not bound to the Old Covenant which includes the 10 commandments for the Lord Jesus said that He satisfies the Law which includes the 10 commandments, there is the Ark of the Covenant that is a shadow of Christ just like the ark in the time of Noah is a shadow of Christ.

Hello brother, your only repeating yourself again here without addressing any of the posts and the scriptures that disagree with your interpretation of what the OLD COVENANT is.

As shown through the scriptures already. You mix up the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 with God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) in the NEW COVENANT that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4. If you do not know what the OLD COVENANT is how can you know what the NEW COVENANT is that the OLD COVENANT pointed to?

Your only telling half the story as to what the OLD COVENANT is brother. As shown through the scriptures already, the OLD COVENANT includes both;

1. God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) *EXODUS 34:28 that in the NEW COVENANT give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN AND RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172;

2. The SHADOW laws from the MOSIAC BOOK of the COVENANT that pointed to JESUS and God's plan of salvation under the NEW COVENANT (Burn't offerings; sin offerings, earthly Sanctuary and ceremonial law for remission of sins, Levitical Priesthood etc).

EXODUS 24 [7], And he took the BOOK OF THE COVENANT, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the LORD has said will we do, and be obedient.

DEUTERONOMY 29 [21], And the LORD shall separate him to evil out of all the tribes of Israel, according to all the curses of the COVENANT THAT ARE WRITTEN IN THIS BOOK OF THE LAW.

DEUTERONOMY 31 [26], Take this BOOK OF THE LAW, and put it in the SIDE OF THE ARK OF THE COVENANT of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against you.

2 KINGS 23 [2], And the king went up into the house of the LORD, and all the men of Judah and all the inhabitants of Jerusalem with him, and the priests, and the prophets, and all the people, both small and great: and HE READ IN THEIR EARS ALL THE WORDS OF THE BOOK OF THE COVENANT which was found in the house of the LORD.

2 KINGS 23 [3], And the king stood by a pillar, and made a covenant before the LORD, to walk after the LORD, and to keep his commandments and his testimonies and his statutes with all their heart and all their soul, TO PERFORM THE WORDS OF THIS COVENANT THAT WERE WRITTEN IN THIS BOOK. And all the people stood to the covenant.

2 KINGS 23 [21], And the king commanded all the people, saying, KEEP THE PASSOVER OF THE LORD your God, AS IT IS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THIS COVENANT.

2 CHRONICLES 34 [30], And the king went up into the house of the LORD, and all the men of Judah, and the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and the priests, and the Levites, and all the people, great and small: and HE READ IN THEIR EARS ALL THE WORDS OF THE BOOK OF THE COVENANT that was found in the house of the LORD.

2 CHRONICLES 34 [31] And the king stood in his place, and made a covenant before the LORD, to walk after the LORD, and to keep his commandments, and his testimonies, and his statutes, with all his heart, and with all his soul, TO PERFORM THE WORDS OF THE COVENANT WHICH ARE WRITTEN IN THE BOOK.

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CONCLUSION: The OLD COVENANT was made up of two sets of laws which included 1. GOD'S ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) and 2. The MOSAIC SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT. You mix up the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 with God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) in the NEW COVENANT that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4. If you do not know what the OLD COVENANT is how can you know what the NEW COVENANT is that the OLD COVENANT pointed to?

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In your linked post; how do any one of the scriptures you have posted show that God's 4th commandments of the 10 commandments has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? Yep they do not.

The NEW COVENANT is not like the OLD COVENANT. If you do not know what the OLD COVENANT was how can you understand what the NEW COVENANT is that the OLD COVENANT pointed to? Sorry brother God's WORD does not teach lawlessness.

"Take this book of the law and place it beside the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may remain there as a witness against you."(Deuteronomy 31:26) Then he took the book of the covenant and read [it] in the hearing of the people; and they said, "All that the LORD has spoken we will do, and we will be obedient!" (Exodus 24:7) Behold the word "Covenant" in the name "Ark of the Covenant". Because of the layout of events recorded in Exodus starting with Exodus 19, we know that the commands indicated in Exodus 20 are sandwiched in with the commands that continue up to Exodus 24 -ish because of the book of the covenant mentioned in Exodus 24:7 (see "Exclusively Scripture With Bible Citations Post" which is in timeline format). Remaining with the word "Covenant" in the name "Ark of the Covenant", we find some of the contents of the Ark listed in this verse: "Then I turned and came down from the mountain and put the tablets in the ark which I had made; and there they are, as the LORD commanded me." (Deuteronomy 10:5) So, the Ark of the Covenant, and that word "Covenant" refers to the first which is mentioned in Hebrews 8:13 (see "Exclusively Scripture With Bible Citations Post"), contains the tablets as of the writing of Deuteronomy 10:5. No one knows where the Ark of the Covenant is located anymore, or, at least, no one is making it well known by showing it. Again, the Ark of the Covenant is a shadow of Christ, and there is mention of "the ark of His covenant" (notice the word "His") in the Book of Revelation with "And the temple of God which is in heaven was opened; and the ark of His covenant appeared in His temple, and there were flashes of lightning and sounds and peals of thunder and an earthquake and a great hailstorm" (Revelation 11:19). Now, Jesus said: "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to satisfy." (Matthew 5:17) Now Luke recorded the words of Jesus with: "And in the same way [He took] the cup after they had eaten, saying, 'This cup which is poured out for you is the new covenant in My blood.'" (Luke 22:20) Now the author of Hebrews recorded: "When He said, 'A new [covenant],' He has made the first obsolete." (Hebrews 8:13) Thus, the Ark of the Covenant with it's contents are part of the Old Covenant. The contents of stone remind me of what is recorded in Ezekiel 36:26, "Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh". The next verse is "I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will be careful to observe My ordinances" (Ezekiel 36:27) which then returns to "Exclusively Scripture With Bible Citations Post". Spirit-filled believers inherit the righteousness of the Lord Jesus Christ for His Blood covers us. Keeping the Old Covenant law, except where reaffirmed by Christ, is not keeping the words of Jesus. That would be called lawlessness. Teaching others to keep the Old Covenant law, except where reaffirmed by Christ, is not keeping the words of Jesus. That would be called teaching lawlessness. God saves, and His Name is Jesus.

You may need to re-work this post brother so it is easier to understand and I am not sure what your point is. I will comment however that the ARK (house) of the COVENANT only proves what is being shared with you here through the scriptures and that is your understanding of what the OLD COVENANT is in error. WHY? Because the ARK of the COVENANT that housed the OLD COVENANT includes both God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) *DEUTERONOMY 10:5 and the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7; DEUTERONOMY 31:24-26 which together make up the OLD COVENANT.

You mix up your SHADOW laws from the MOSIAC Book of the OLD COVENANT with God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) is the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNES *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. According to God's WORD if we break any one of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

According to God's WORD all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD through love. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

It is JESUS that says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God brother not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Who then do we BELIEVE and FOLLOW God or men *ROMANS 3:4. Yep I know who I believe. You provide your own words. My words are not my own but God's WORD. It is the Word of God that will be our judge come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48.

Now where is the scripture that says God’s 4th Commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? There is no scripture is there? If there is no scriprture for this tradition why do you not believe God’s WORD?

Only sent in LOVE as a help to you brother.
 
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As posted ealier in reference to what you were posting was not true is shown in the claims you are making that on your interpretation of EXODUS 20:4 which when CONTEXT is added back into the scripture shows that EXODUS 20:4 when read in connection with EXODUS 20:3-6 is in reference to making and serving other Gods (Idols) as shown below.
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Rubbish. I have never said ever and anywhere that we are saved by the works of the law. If I have never said such things why pretend that I have? We are saved by GRACE through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God *EPHESIANS 2:8. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.
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Despite your words, God's Word commands not to make a likeness, period. The sentence in Verse 4 is complete. God's Word commands not to worship "them" which can be either "gods" from Verse 2 and/or "idol"s from Verse 4, yet neither Verse 2 nor Verse 4 grammatically depends on Verse 5; therefore, "Logical Conclusion to Keeping the Old Covenant Law Post" (in this thread) in which a drivers license or some such with a likeness of a person who keeps the Law of the Old Covenant remains logically and lexically correct. This is proven out further by the "Grammatical Explanation Post for the Logical Conclusion to Keeping the Old Covenant Law Post" (in this thread).

Respecting your "Rubbish" point, your thoughts are manifested by your words. Your compositions make statements as well as make assertions. You ask who said that anyone is saved by keeping the law, but your words express a corollary when you make a statement like "According to God's WORD all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN" when the thread is about keeping the Law based on the 7th day sabbath as recorded in Exodus 20:8-11. Now, the assertion is visible, that you assert that not keeping the said 7th day sabbath is continuing in unrepentant sin. Your composition conveys either loss of salvation or not having salvation for a person not keeping the Law of the Old Covenant. That sure sounds like advocating for keeping the Law to me. Fruit produced by keeping Jesus' words matter, and the next two paragraphs cover this point.

Despite your words, God's Word in the "Exclusively Scripture With Bible Citations Post" (in this thread) clearly shows God's Word explaining believers covered by the Blood of Jesus of the New Covenant are not bound to the Old Covenant which includes the 10 commandments for the Lord Jesus said that He satisfies the Law which includes the 10 commandments. The Lord Jesus satisfies the Law which includes the 10 commandments (Matthew 5:17); furthermore, the Lord Jesus established "the New Covenant" (Luke 22:20) and that when He said, "A new [covenant]," He has made the first obsolete (Hebrews 8:13).

The "The Ark in the Old Covenant and the New Covenant Post" (in this thread) clearly shows that the Ark of the Covenant with it's contents are part of the Old Covenant which is obsolete, and that Spirit-filled believers inherit the righteousness of the Lord Jesus Christ for His Blood of the New Covenant covers us believers thus we believers love that which Jesus loves and we believers hate that which Jesus hates, and we believers are moved to action by the Holy Spirit and therein is Godly fruit.
 
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God never changes His Law, especially on the Sabbath. I have politely and firmly asked people on this forum to show me where The Most High God, or the Word of God Himself actually said anything like this, and all I get are what men said. These men are greater men than me, but they are men and not the Most High God/Word of God.
 
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I'm not sure how you are being honest in saying that Sunday worship must be justified by the Bible.
The groups that oppose Sunday worship either follow the self-proclaimed prophet Ellen White, who founded the Seventh Day Adventists, or they are Jehovah's Witnesses, who disavow the Divinity of Christ. Those groups have added to the Bible and subtracted from it.

The simple answer is that in Acts Chapter 15, the Apostles held the Council of Jerusalem, where they decided under what conditions that non-Jews would be allowed to become Christians. They laid down sexual morality as one of the prime conditions. They assumed that monotheism and rejection of idolatry wouldn't be a problem for anyone who wanted to be a Christian. The Apostles did not lay down observance of the Sabbath, or Saturday worship, as a condition of being a Christian. They also did not say that New Testament Christians have to follow the Ten Commandments.

The Apostles are perfectly clear that sexual morality is required of New Testament Christians. They are equally clear that they did not expect or require New Testament Christians to observe a Sabbath or the Ten Commandments (including a Sabbath.) Everything else in the Ten Commandments except Sabbath observance is upheld in various places in the New Testament, however.

There is specific way to COUNT to the 7th day every year - based on things better than a Timex, and easily visible without eye corrrection. The 7th day - specifically - has always been, and will always be the Sabbath until the Word of God Himself changes the Law.

Do we believe men can change the Law of the Most High God? Do we believe the Law of God ever changes when the Word of God said it wont (until Heaven and earth pass away)?

There is a grand delusion that will be put on the world, so that they would believe a lie - so much so that people who believed they had served the Most High God actually realize they never did. The leader of churches who have taught these doctrine are responsible for telling souls they can nullify or make void any of the Law of the Most High God.

The way you check if you are doing what the Most High God wants of you is to compare everything to what He said.
 
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You mix up the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 with God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) in the NEW COVENANT that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4.
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You mix up the shadow with the substance, for it is written "For the Law, since it has only a shadow of the good things to come and not the very form of things, can never, by the same sacrifices which they offer continually year by year, make perfect those who draw near" (Hebrews 10:1); moreover, God's Word in the "Exclusively Scripture With Bible Citations Post" (in this thread) clearly shows God's Word explaining believers covered by the Blood of Jesus of the New Covenant are not bound to the Old Covenant which includes the 10 commandments for the Lord Jesus said that He satisfies the Law which includes the 10 commandments. The Lord Jesus satisfies the Law which includes the 10 commandments (Matthew 5:17); furthermore, the Lord Jesus established "the New Covenant" (Luke 22:20) and that when He said, "A new [covenant]," He has made the first obsolete (Hebrews 8:13).

You conflate knowledge/wisdom with performance with justification by way of your attempt to import the Old Covenant into the New Covenant. We Spirit-filled believers (1) were made aware of sin by the Law, (2) know that performance of the Law gains nothing, and (3) are justified by Christ in belief. We believers inherit the Lord Jesus Christ's righteousness (2 Corinthians 5:21), and we have the mind of Christ (1 Corinthians 2:16) with Christ being the Wisdom of God (1 Corinthians 1:24); moreover, we love the things Christ loves and we hate the things Christ hates, and the Spirit moves us believers to Godly action (fruit) which is keeping the words of Christ.
 
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God never changes His Law, especially on the Sabbath. I have politely and firmly asked people on this forum to show me where The Most High God, or the Word of God Himself actually said anything like this, and all I get are what men said. These men are greater men than me, but they are men and not the Most High God/Word of God.

Hi brother KOAN, nice to see you. Well said we are already up to nearly 82 pages and not a single question is answered from the OP here. Thanks for sharing.

God bless
 
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As posted earlier the CONTEXT you leave out of EXODUS 20:4 has lead you to errors in your interpretation of the scriptures. When CONTEXT is added back into EXODUS 20:4 and read with EXODUS 20:3-6 the interpretation of the scriptures are read in reference to making idols and serving other Gods as shown below.

EXODUS 20:3-6
[3], You shall have no other gods before me.
[4], You shall not make to you any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
[5], You shall not bow down yourself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
[6], And showing mercy to thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

When you add the context back in to EXODUS 20:4 with EXODUS 20:3-6 it does not say what you are claiming brother. Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you.

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Despite your words, God's Word commands not to make a likeness, period. The sentence in Verse 4 is complete. God's Word commands not to worship "them" which can be either "gods" from Verse 2 and/or "idol"s from Verse 4, yet neither Verse 2 nor Verse 4 grammatically depends on Verse 5; therefore, "Logical Conclusion to Keeping the Old Covenant Law Post" (in this thread) in which a drivers license or some such with a likeness of a person who keeps the Law of the Old Covenant remains logically and lexically correct. This is proven out further by the "Grammatical Explanation Post for the Logical Conclusion to Keeping the Old Covenant Law Post" (in this thread).

Respecting your "Rubbish" point, your thoughts are manifested by your words. Your compositions make statements as well as make assertions. You ask who said that anyone is saved by keeping the law, but your words express a corollary when you make a statement like "According to God's WORD all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN" when the thread is about keeping the Law based on the 7th day sabbath as recorded in Exodus 20:8-11. Now, the assertion is visible, that you assert that not keeping the said 7th day sabbath is continuing in unrepentant sin. Your composition conveys either loss of salvation or not having salvation for a person not keeping the Law of the Old Covenant. That sure sounds like advocating for keeping the Law to me. Fruit produced by keeping Jesus' words matter, and the next two paragraphs cover this point.

Despite your words, God's Word in the "Exclusively Scripture With Bible Citations Post" (in this thread) clearly shows God's Word explaining believers covered by the Blood of Jesus of the New Covenant are not bound to the Old Covenant which includes the 10 commandments for the Lord Jesus said that He satisfies the Law which includes the 10 commandments. The Lord Jesus satisfies the Law which includes the 10 commandments (Matthew 5:17); furthermore, the Lord Jesus established "the New Covenant" (Luke 22:20) and that when He said, "A new [covenant]," He has made the first obsolete (Hebrews 8:13).

The "The Ark in the Old Covenant and the New Covenant Post" (in this thread) clearly shows that the Ark of the Covenant with it's contents are part of the Old Covenant which is obsolete, and that Spirit-filled believers inherit the righteousness of the Lord Jesus Christ for His Blood of the New Covenant covers us believers thus we believers love that which Jesus loves and we believers hate that which Jesus hates, and we believers are moved to action by the Holy Spirit and therein is Godly fruit.

Brother your only repeating yourself here without addressing any of the posts and the scriptures that disagree with you and making claims and statements no one is making. You are free to believe as you wish brother I do not judge you for I cannot because I am a sinner who relies on my Savior. I can only point you to God's WORD to believe and follow. It is up to you to choose what you will do. We all answer only to God come judgment day *ROMANS 14:12; JOHN 12:47-48. Sadly at this time it will be too late for many *MATTHEW 7:22-23; MATTHEW 22:14. Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you. God's WORD does not teach lawlessness in both the OLD and NEW COVENANTS and never has. JESUS saves us from sin not to continue in sin.

All those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50. We are saved by GRACE through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God *EPHESIANS 2:8. We are all sick with sin and need a Physician *MATTHEW 9:12-13. JESUS says arise take up your bed and walk. I believe him. How about you?

Hope this helps.
 
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We believers inherit the Lord Jesus Christ's righteousness (2 Corinthians 5:21), and we have the mind of Christ (1 Corinthians 2:16) with Christ being the Wisdom of God (1 Corinthians 1:24); moreover, we love the things Christ loves and we hate the things Christ hates, and the Spirit moves us believers to Godly action (fruit) which is keeping the words of Christ.

God's RIGHTOUESNESS given in FORGIVENESS is not a cloak to sin brother and according to God's WORD no one has God's Spirit while living a life of KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN *1 JOHN 2:3-4. According to God's WORD all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD through love. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

It is JESUS that says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God brother not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Who then do we BELIEVE and FOLLOW God or men *ROMANS 3:4. Yep I know who I believe. You provide your own words. My words are not my own but God's WORD. It is the Word of God that will be our judge come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48.

Now where is the scripture that says God’s 4th Commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? There is no scripture is there? If there is no scriprture for this tradition why do you not believe God’s WORD?

Only sent in love as a help brother
 
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