WHERE DOES IT SAY GOD'S SABBATH IS ABOLSIHED AND WE ARE COMMANDED TO KEEP SUNDAY AS A HOLY DAY?

LoveGodsWord said:

I am not talking about the month days, I am referring to the week days of the weekly cycle (Monday to Sabbath (1-7)). God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH of the 4th Commandment is the SEVENTH DAY every week *EXODUS 20:8-11. Your mixing up your calanders.

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Sorry but the days of the second week aren't 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, prep day and sabbath day. They are 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13 and 14.

LoveGodsWord said:

Yep I did

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And what did you read?

LoveGodsWord said:

Hi Zetetica, nice to see you .

The other option is that God is the light and he exists outside of time? Our reference point for time however is in the sun and the moon which was created in the middle of the week as outlined in GENESIS 1:14-19 that makes up the evening and the morning which according to God's WORD is one day. Though the sun and the moon are our reference points for time and were made in the middle of the week, God's WORD says that what took place was made on the first 4 days (our time) of creation. A day in our time for each section of the creation of heaven and earth. I believe God's WORD how about you? Thanks for your thoughts. All of God's WORD is interesting to consider.

God bless.

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That is an acceptable spiritual understanding but it's not the literal one to my knowledge. Why? It's made clear that God called the light He made in Genesis 1:2 "DAY". It's later made clear the Sun (greater light) was created to RULE over the "DAY". I'm rather certain the Sun wasn't made to rule over the LIGHT OF GOD, or CHRIST'S LIGHT.

LoveGodsWord said:

Go and do some more research brother the weekly cycle only has 7 days and restarts afer every seventh day to reach a Sabbath . You have your calanders mixed up now. I tried give you one but you declined it.

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If it's not the Gregorian calendar, that's already an improvement.

LoveGodsWord said:

Not really. One possibilty is that the light and darkness that were created were separate from the sun and the moon in day 1 and put together with the sun and the moon in day 4 although God's WORD does not really say more on the subject so speculation really.

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Yes, the light of Gen 1:2 could be (I believe it is) a separate light than that of the Sun and Moon.

BobRyan said:

Indeed - "in all the scriptures" -- they were aware of it.
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In your own reasoning, you try to redefine the words of Jesus. Jesus said:

"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to satisfy." (Matthew 5:17)

"It is finished!" (John 19:30 - Jesus' words on the cross)

Your words are not the words of the Apostle John, so here are the Apostle John's words (1 John 3:4-10):

4 Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness.
5 You know that He appeared in order to take away sins; and in Him there is no sin.
6 No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or knows Him.
7 Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous;
8 the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil.
9 No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.

In verse 5, the Apostle John states "You know that He appeared in order to take away sins" and the Apostle John can say that because Lord Jesus said that He came to satisfy the Law as well as He came to satisfy the Prophets.

By the way, your version of verse 4 seems different than the Greek, for the Greek word behind "lawlessness" above is anomia (first occurrance Strongs G458) and anomian (second occurrance Strongs G458). You version puts in law instead of lawlessness. The "a" is "not" and the "nomia" is "law" which arrives at the English word "lawlessness".

Jesus even explains the meaning of lawlessness (in verse 23, the Greek word is anomian Strongs G458), so here is what Jesus said (Matthew 7:21-27):

21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven [will enter].
22 "Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
23 "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'
24 "Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them, may be compared to a wise man who built his house on the rock.
25 "And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and [yet] it did not fall, for it had been founded on the rock.
26 "Everyone who hears these words of Mine and does not act on them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand.
27 "The rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and it fell ? and great was its fall."

This should terrify anyone who does not keep the words of Jesus. In verse 24, the Lord Jesus said "everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them" then He explains about the person, but in verse 26 the Lord Jesus said "Everyone who hears these words of Mine and does not act on them" then He explains about that person.

Also, Jesus said (John 14:15):
"If you love Me, you will keep My commandments."

What are His commandments, well let's just look at some of Jesus' words here (Matthew 22:37-40):

37 "'YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.'
38 "This is the great and foremost commandment.
39 "The second is like it, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.'
40 "On these two commandments hang the whole Law and the Prophets."

Interesting word there, hang, for that Greek word is assinged Strongs G2910. In Luke 23:39, Strongs G2910 is used again by Luke, here's the quote "one of the criminals who were hanged [there] was hurling abuse at Him, saying, "Are You not the Christ? Save Yourself and us!"

A Spirit filled believer still has flesh, but greater is He who is in we believers than he who is in the world.

God is not limited to nuclear fusion as His only source of light... as it turns out. (See the pilar of fire by night in the Bible)

klutedavid said:

Not really Bob.

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Yes ... really

klutedavid said:

Evenings and mornings before celestial bodies?

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Not really David. On day 4 God created "two lights" not "a zillion and two" the stars were already created as per the universal creation statement in Genesis 1:1. Details.

BobRyan said: ↑
the number of the day of the month has never been required to always be the number of the day of the week -- and we all know it.

klutedavid said:

We don't all know that

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Well then I am happy to give you a few seconds to look at a calendar and see the details.

klutedavid said:

The start of a lunar month triggers a new week

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Good creative writing so then fiction - but not an actual fact about calendars

klutedavid said:

The first day of the month was always a Saturday.

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Are you trying to demonstrate creative writing skill again??

klutedavid said:

I am a very creative person.

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Well you have established that very well. Nice going.

ace of hearts said:

If the month days aren't reset every month the lunar month can start on the 17th. No a month starts on the 1st with the number 1.

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Adding more creative writing on to your previous work is not making it more 'historic fact' just more creative writing.

LoveGodsWord said:

Good let's have a look at what you have written and bring everything we have both written to the light of God's WORD
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WHO ARE GOD'S PEOPLE?

REVELATION 12:17, And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ

REVELATION 14:12, Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
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You have been shown to deceive by your imaginations, and you EVEN reiterate the same error again in you post. There it is, you highlight "keep the commandments of God" but you do not highlight "and have the testimony of Jesus Christ".

Jesus is God, so here are some of His words explaining His commandments:

37 "'YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.'
38 "This is the great and foremost commandment.
39 "The second is like it, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.'
40 "On these two commandments hang the whole Law and the Prophets."

Interesting word there, "hang", for that Greek word is assinged Strongs G2910. In Luke 23:39, Strongs G2910 is used again by Luke for the word "hanged", here's the quote "one of the criminals who were hanged [there] was hurling abuse at Him, saying, "Are You not the Christ? Save Yourself and us!"

And, here is some of the testimony of Jesus Christ:

"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to satisfy." (Matthew 5:17)

"It is finished." (John 19:30 - Jesus on the cross)

The leaven of your words leavens your whole loaf.

We believers rest according to the will of God, and this rest is given by Jesus moment by moment. We are not bound to the 7th day sabbath in the manner which you prescribe which results in lawlessness because Jesus satisfies the law (see Matthew 5:17) and Jesus said it is His words that matter (Matthew 7:21-27), and anyone who says differently disagrees with Lord Jesus.

LoveGodsWord said:

Go and do some more research brother the weekly cycle only has 7 days and restarts afer every seventh day to reach a Sabbath . You have your calanders mixed up now. I tried give you a Hebrew calander but you declined it.

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No I don't have anything mixed up. You just make blind statements.