Youtube convinces people the earth is flat

JackRT said:

You know, I really have no idea what you are referring to when you mention shafts of light. Actually from the point of view of an observer on earth the moon does not turn because its near face is gravitationally locked onto the earth. The planet Mercury is close enough to the sun that it has one side locked on as well.

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I said turn not rotate, turn as hands on a clock turn

Where i have placed the black dots that is where light is coming out of these ares.


shafts of light.



This last one is the same as the one above it, but the moon is turned different and still the light goes the same direction as in the photo above.

Quid est Veritas? said:

YouTube 'helps convince flat earth belief'

" 'Believing the Earth is flat is of itself is not necessarily harmful, but it comes packaged with a distrust in institutions and authority more generally,' she added.

The study involved interviews with 30 attendees at two conferences.

Questioning revealed YouTube had suggested the flat earth videos after attendees had watched other clips at home about conspiracy theories.

Some said they only watched the videos to criticise them but were won over by the arguments being advanced. The results from Prof Landrum's study were presented at the annual meeting of the Association for the Advancement of Science this weekend."
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I find it strange that people are more interested in the distrust in authority and institutions than the belief.

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Why is it strange that people distrust authority?

History alone has taught us that authority should be treated suspiciously - part of the reason so many amendments affirming citizens' rights were part of the constitution.


"Flat" earth is a misnomer; the earth is a manifold with level curves, and other associated topology. The "Flat vs Globe" earth paradigm is another "Left/Right, Dem/Rep, Liberal/Conservative" paradigm that is for the public entertainment. You are being had by a distraction - keeping your mind numb to reality outside of the context, and even within. In other words - you are participating in a large-scale social and psychological engineering tactic used for several centuries.

There have been several discussions on the mathematics behind a manifold terra firma, but the collective consciousness is stuck on the image of "flat", and so against questioning the status quo. If anyone is actually interested in a discussion on flat earth (philosophically, mathematically, physically, etc.), I am more than happy to converse or debate. But,this psychological operation of targeting people who don't follow or trust the status quo, and attempting to deride them is ridiculously sophomoric, and it would be an insult to attempt a philosophical conversation with that mentality.

I hope more people question the reality around them, and stop trusting other humans to tell them how to live, and what to think. Consensus is a poor judge of truth, but an excellent psychological comforter.

d taylor said:

I have seen examples of their lies.

ISS 250+ miles in the sky then why are they about the same height as the red bull jumper, the red bull jumper may even be higher.

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And this fake photo showing the earth and moon by china. Are just some of the reasons.

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Okay, I'm really NOT trying to reply to every FE themed thread I see but I feel I need to make a point.

I didn't believe in FE, even when I became convinced that NASA was presenting dishonest content. Why? Even if NASA was faking everything in a studio, that proves NOTHING about the shape of the Earth.

In fact, at this point, I see good reason to believe the Heliocentric model is true but I see equally good reason to believe it's not, and that instead, Earth is either a flat plane or an unmoving sphere (edit: or something else, such as a manifold.)

The reason FE and Geocentric belief continues to exist and grow isn't because of general distrust of authority, (not that this helps) it's because FE and Geocentricism is a viable alternative belief for those who prefer to trust their senses as well as (for many) what they interpret the scriptures to state on the matter.

Furthermore, speaking of sacred writings, I'm curious why Islam doesn't have a thriving if not majority FE believing population, considering the Qur'an openly declares FE. Do they just assume that their book is being "poetic" like many Christians do, regarding the shape of the world?

Ophiolite said:

So what is its function when it is in the sky during the day? Seems like incompetent planning that it spends about half its time, unnecessarily illuminating the day.

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When you want to know about a work of art/creation ask the artist/creator. I am viewer just like you.

Romans 8 said:

Flat earth theory is a tool of the enemy, nothing more. There are many levels to this psyop. It teaches people to bypass logic and reason, and focus on the senses (Epistemology). YouTube has dozens of LIVE Flat Earth videos going at any one time and holds thousands upon thousands of videos by PAID shills (government sponsored actors) to take part in this brainwashing campaign. I have no any issues opposing authority when they don't have our best interest.
One of the biggest reason for this psyop is to make anyone that opposes the government's lies look like a "Flat Earther" and to discount them as a nutcase.

As USincognito pointed out,

"There's also a sense of having power over those who "rule the world" by knowing the secret they keep hidden from all of us."

I would consider Christians at high risk for this manipulation because we already have a certain trust which defies the scientific world. It's very sad to see Christians taking up their free time on this matter rather than improving their walk with God. There are pastors on YouTube making the flat earth topic their main focus, spending countless hours trying to prove the earth is flat through bible passages. Tell me how spending any time at all on this subject is going to improve our walk with God?

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... and what do you make of the many testimonials from people who found Christ through FE? People who spend more time in the pages of a Bible than trying to prove a flat Earth?

Zetetica said:

it's because FE and Geocentricism is a viable alternative belief for those who prefer to trust their senses as well as (for many) what they interpret the scriptures to state on the matter.

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Wait, what?

I get the feeling that nobody proclaiming Flat Earthism has ever done any sort of astronomy (amateur or otherwise) because they'd very quickly realize that it doesn't jive with observable reality.

(I'm still waiting for Flat Earthers to explain observable satellites.)

d taylor said:

The moon does exactly what God created the moon to do give light on the earth during night. And going through different lighting conditions is something God designed into the moon to do

Then God said, “Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years; and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth”; and it was so. Then God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. He made the stars also.

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None of that actually answer my questions.

d taylor

I have examined the lunar photos that you posted and I can see no evidence of shafts of light. I do see some shading from topographical features and in some cases what looks like ejecta from meteor strikes.

Romans 8 said:

Flat earth theory is a tool of the enemy, nothing more. There are many levels to this psyop. It teaches people to bypass logic and reason, and focus on the senses (Epistemology). YouTube has dozens of LIVE Flat Earth videos going at any one time and holds thousands upon thousands of videos by PAID shills (government sponsored actors) to take part in this brainwashing campaign. I have no any issues opposing authority when they don't have our best interest.
One of the biggest reason for this psyop is to make anyone that opposes the government's lies look like a "Flat Earther" and to discount them as a nutcase.

As USincognito pointed out,

"There's also a sense of having power over those who "rule the world" by knowing the secret they keep hidden from all of us."

I would consider Christians at high risk for this manipulation because we already have a certain trust which defies the scientific world. It's very sad to see Christians taking up their free time on this matter rather than improving their walk with God. There are pastors on YouTube making the flat earth topic their main focus, spending countless hours trying to prove the earth is flat through bible passages. Tell me how spending any time at all on this subject is going to improve our walk with God?

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Funny, you claim THE GOVERNMENT is responsible for FE (disinformation campaign to make their opposition look like nutcases). Why do you believe in such a grand conspiracy? Furthermore, seems you also think you have some "special truth"that entitles you to be seen as and profess yourself as "woke", and the FEs as "Satanically deceived", hmm?

Gregory95 said:

Okay Hopfully this won't be a waste of time as it normal ly is with people who don't want to do their own research

NASA’s Nazis

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I don't see how this supports your claim, which was "Nasa was started by Nazi scientists after ww2".

It's also worth noting that merely serving in the German military in WW2 also doesn't automatically make one a Nazi, any more than serving in the U.S. armed forces makes one a Republican.

lasthero said:

None of that actually answer my questions.

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In the end it always comes down to "Goddidit" when there is a perfectly good scientific explanation that explains all the observations and agrees with all the known laws of motion and gravity. But magic explains it all without the troubling business of making careful observations and measurements.

SeventyOne said:

You might want to go back and look at that Einstein quote I added in post 37. Relativity was created due to the null result in the multiple experiments done trying to measure the motion of the earth. He knew what it was for better than you do.

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This still has nothing to do with the Michelson-Morley experiment supporting a stationary Earth or the existence of aether. Again, you're twisting the results of an experiment into something different than what it is.

As another aside, I do find it interesting that you're trying to support FE with an experiment from over 100 years ago, as opposed to, I dunno, pictures from outer space?

Zetetica said:

... and what do you make of the many testimonials from people who found Christ through FE? People who spend more time in the pages of a Bible than trying to prove a flat Earth?

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God uses bad things to make them good.

Funny, you claim THE GOVERNMENT is responsible for FE (disinformation campaign to make their opposition look like nutcases). Why do you believe in such a grand conspiracy? Furthermore, seems you also think you have some "special truth"that entitles you to be seen as and profess yourself as "woke", and the FEs as "Satanically deceived", hmm?

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I've spent years in the conspiracy theory realm. I don't mean to profess an air of arrogance, but I can see the bigger picture.

God uses bad things to make them good. He brought me through these conspiracies to bring me to Him.

Although I have been poking some fun in this thread, I have nothing but love for my fellow Christians, and that includes you sister. I pray that people can move past this deception and get on with their walk with God. Flat earth is a deception from the enemy and very little good can come of it.

SeventyOne said:

Please, stop. I've prayed about this quite often for quite a while now. Quit assuming it has had a negative effect on our relationship. It hasn't. In fact, thanks to the nature and magnitude of resistance from places like this and others, it has actually made me seek and rely on Him more.

It would be better for you to instead go to Him seeking truth in this matter, and quit making assumptions about others in the meantime.

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You and me both, friend. You and me both. I would pray, asking God if FE was deception, if it was right to talk about. The next day, FE was in my face. This occurred in repetition.

However, whether it's a lie or misunderstanding or the truth, FE pushed my nose deeper into a Bible than it's ever been. Is FE doing this now? No. God is doing this and since, despite my pleas, God hasn't corrected me regarding Earth's shape, I'll carry on believing it's likely flat.

Besides, the peace and wonder I feel when looking up at the sky, knowing God is right above, knowing I'm enclosed; it's a wonderful feeling and only strengthens my faith.

Zetetica said:

You and me both, friend. You and me both. I would pray, asking God if FE was deception, if it was right to talk about. The next day, FE was in my face. This occurred in repetition.

However, whether it's a lie or misunderstanding or the truth, FE pushed my nose deeper into a Bible than it's ever been. Is FE doing this now? No. God is doing this and since, despite my pleas, God hasn't corrected me regarding Earth's shape, I'll carry on believing it's likely flat.

Besides, the peace and wonder I feel when looking up at the sky, knowing God is right above, knowing I'm enclosed; it's a wonderful feeling and only strengthens my faith.

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God is not just above you, He's inside you. No need to hold onto Flat Earth for inspiration, His Word is all you need.

Another thing to ponder before feeling that it's "alright to talk about". You are representing Jesus here. You should be spreading the Gospel, NOT flat earth. If I weren't a Christian and someone I knew was witnessing to me (as a non-believer) about the Gospel, I would be weary, but if they were professing flat earth, I would think they were a flippin' nutcase. Trust me, God doesn't want you spreading Satan's lies, just stick with the Gospel.

pitabread said:

This still has nothing to do with the Michelson-Morley experiment supporting a stationary Earth or the existence of aether. Again, you're twisting the results of an experiment into something different than what it is.

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Actually, it's directly related to it, because he's speaking about it in the quote.

Here's another, taken from the August 1982 issue of Physics Today, citing a speech given by Einstein to Kyoto University in 1922:

As another aside, I do find it interesting that you're trying to support FE with an experiment from over 100 years ago, as opposed to, I dunno, pictures from outer space?

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Pictures? Well, gee, why didn't I think of that. Welp, you've cracked the case. We all know picture are completely accurate and reliable. For example, here's one just recently dug up in a museum archive, and it must be true, because it's a picture after all...

JackRT said:

I regret to disillusion you but that is a flat earth verse. It envisions the earth as a circle like a plate with the heavens stretched out overhead like a canopy. This actually matches the point of view of the Babylonians. Nowhere does the Bible present a comprehensive cosmology but there are many dozens of verses that can only be understood from a flat earth cosmology.

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I'm still having trouble with the verse, since "circle" is translated from a Hebrew word, meaning "circle, circuit, compass". Usage in scripture regards movement. For example:

Job 22:14
Thick clouds are a covering to him, that he seeth not; and he walketh in the circuit H2329 of heaven.

Pro 8:27
When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass H2329upon the face of the depth:

While it's a tortured interpretation, it seems one CAN get "orbit" from the verse in question, though a little tinkering is needed.

Example:

It is he that governs over the orbital circle H2329 of the earth, and the inhabitants are as insects compared to God and His power. He, God, expanded out the universe as a thin material, and spread it out as a enclosure to dwell in.

The problem is this goes against other scripture, from what I understand. While one CAN get "immovable" to refer to Earth, not being able to be removed from its orbit around the Sun, the verses about making the Sun stay still, don't work in a Heliocentric mofem, wothwit a LOT of butchering.

Romans 8 said:

Gregory,

There's definitely some truth down this rabbit hole. NASA deliberately plays into this flat earth psyop which has flat earthers chasing their tales. NASA deliberately puts fake content out, or dubious to say the least, in order to keep the game going. Heck they even have President Obama egging this on, and the MKuktra slaves of Hollywood. It's a bottomless pit of deceit which you can waste an eternity chasing.

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You believe all that, yet FE is difficult for you?

d taylor said:

When you want to know about a work of art/creation ask the artist/creator. I am viewer just like you.

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No. Based on your contributions here you are nothing like me. I don't stop the process at viewing. Observations generate questions, which generate hypotheses, which generate experiments, which generate further observations, which modify or confirm the hypotheses, in an unending process.

If there is a creator then she provided the means (human intellect) and the resource (evidence) and the motive (curiosity) to enquire about the nature of the universe. Stopping at the first stage of the process as you have done (as you declare you have done) would seem to be an insult to your God.

At any rate the it seems silly to go with a kindergarten level perception when a committed investigation can reveal greater depth and breadth. I just thought you might have had more. Sorry to have troubled you.