WHERE DOES IT SAY GOD'S SABBATH IS ABOLSIHED AND WE ARE COMMANDED TO KEEP SUNDAY AS A HOLY DAY?

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How do you know the "apostolic" traditions are specifically in view here.

Every early Christian sect, be it Catholic, Gnostic, Marcionite, Ebionite, you name it, claimed to go back to the original apostles.

Nowhere in the Bible did it say when the Lord's Day is. John mentioned it in the Book of Revelations. Because he wrote about it, he's aware of when the Lord's Day is. There are also Early Christian writings mentioning the Lord's Day as Sunday, the day of the Lord's resurrection.
 
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On the contrary, the Holy Bible also says that one should follow the Apostolic Traditions handed down by the Apostles of Christ. The traditions handed down by the Apostles of Christ are not traditions of men. Do you agree with what is written in the Holy Bible?

1 Corinthians 11:2 Now I praise you, brethren, that you remember me in all things and keep the traditions just as I delivered them to you.

2 Thessalonians 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our epistle.

There is nothing wrong with tradition in and of itself. Traditions only become against God when it leads others away from God to break the commandments of God.

MATTHEW 15:3-9
[3], But he answered and said to them, Why do you also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
[4], For God commanded, saying, Honor your father and mother: and, He that curses father or mother, let him die the death.
[5], But you say, Whoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatever you might be profited by me;
[6], And honor not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have you made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
[7], You hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
[8], This people draws near to me with their mouth, and honors me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
[9], But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

and Peter makes this statement...

ACTS 5:29, Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

...........

CONCLUSION: MAN MADE TRADITIONS and TEACHING are BAD when they lead us to break the commandments of GOD and lead us away from God's WORD. Jesus says those who do such things are not following God and Peter says we ought to obey God rather then man.

The scriptures you provide are in relation to the teachings of the WORD of GOD not man made traditions that break the commandments of God.

Hope this helps
 
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Brother, I have not accused anyone of lieing. If you have God's WORD to share then share it. Where is the scriptures that say God's 4th commandment is ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep SUNDAY as a HOLY day. Do you have any? If you do not why do you accuse me of something I am not doing when I am only sharing God's WORD? Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments fo God *ROMANS 3:4.
Well that is not true. from post THE SABBATH IS GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT - WHERE IS THE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS IT IS ABOLISHED?
Well that is not true and there is no need to be nasty sister. from post THE SABBATH IS GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT - WHERE IS THE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS IT IS ABOLISHED?
As posted above no need to be nasty and say things that are not true. from post THE SABBATH IS GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT - WHERE IS THE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS IT IS ABOLISHED?
Nope, what I mean is ONLY God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVEand FOLLOW it *ROMANS 3:4
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Well that one has no truth in it.
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Well that has no truth in it. You are provided God's WORD. Your response is to ignore it and provide your own words. Only God's WORD is true brother and we should believe and follow it *ROMANS 3:4from post THE SABBATH IS GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT - WHERE IS THE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS IT IS ABOLISHED?
Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it *ROMANS 3:4
from post THE SABBATH IS GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT - WHERE IS THE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS IT IS ABOLISHED?
However, only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow it *ROMANS 3:4. from post THE SABBATH IS GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT - WHERE IS THE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS IT IS ABOLISHED?
Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it *ROMANS 3:4 from post THE SABBATH IS GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT - WHERE IS THE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS IT IS ABOLISHED?

I guess this is sufficient to make my point and rebut your statement. It's probably a major cause for your other thread being closed and your non participation in that section of the forum.

You're doing the same thing in this thread and not only to me.
 
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Nowhere in the Bible did it say when the Lord's Day is. John mentioned it in the Book of Revelations. Because he wrote about it, he's aware of when the Lord's Day is. There are also Early Christian writings mentioning the Lord's Day as Sunday, the day of the Lord's resurrection.

Well that one has no truth in it. Let God's WORD answer this question.

WHAT DAY IS THE LORD'S DAY?

MATTHEW 12:8. For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

Hope this helps.
 
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Well that is not true. from post THE SABBATH IS GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT - WHERE IS THE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS IT IS ABOLISHED?
Well that is not true and there is no need to be nasty sister. from post THE SABBATH IS GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT - WHERE IS THE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS IT IS ABOLISHED?
As posted above no need to be nasty and say things that are not true. from post THE SABBATH IS GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT - WHERE IS THE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS IT IS ABOLISHED?
Nope, what I mean is ONLY God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVEand FOLLOW it *ROMANS 3:4
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Well that one has no truth in it.
from post THE SABBATH IS GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT - WHERE IS THE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS IT IS ABOLISHED?
Well that is not true. from post THE SABBATH IS GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT - WHERE IS THE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS IT IS ABOLISHED?
Well that is not true. from post THE SABBATH IS GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT - WHERE IS THE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS IT IS ABOLISHED?
Well that is not true. from post THE SABBATH IS GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT - WHERE IS THE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS IT IS ABOLISHED?
Well that one has no truth in it. from post THE SABBATH IS GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT - WHERE IS THE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS IT IS ABOLISHED?
Well that has no truth in it. You are provided God's WORD. Your response is to ignore it and provide your own words. Only God's WORD is true brother and we should believe and follow it *ROMANS 3:4from post THE SABBATH IS GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT - WHERE IS THE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS IT IS ABOLISHED?
Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it *ROMANS 3:4
from post THE SABBATH IS GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT - WHERE IS THE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS IT IS ABOLISHED?
However, only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow it *ROMANS 3:4. from post THE SABBATH IS GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT - WHERE IS THE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS IT IS ABOLISHED?
Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it *ROMANS 3:4 from post THE SABBATH IS GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT - WHERE IS THE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS IT IS ABOLISHED?

I guess this is sufficient to make my point and rebut your statement. It's probably a major cause for your other thread being closed and your non participation in that section of the forum.

Not at all there is no truth in your claims or your post. None of the links you provide above support any of the claims you are making. Do you have any scritpures to share?
 
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Well that one has no truth in it. Let God's WORD answer this question.

WHAT DAY IS THE LORD'S DAY?

MATTHEW 12:8. For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

Hope this helps.

Do not twist scripture. Scripture not saying that the Lord's Day is the Sabbath Day. It's saying that Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath.
 
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Do not twist scripture. Scripture not saying that the Lord's Day is the Sabbath Day. It's saying that Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath.

There is no twisting scripture sister I only asked a question and let God's WORD answer that question. How is that twisting scripture? It says JESUS is LORD of the SABBATH DAY. This is the LORD'S DAY is it not? There is no scripture to show that Sunday or the first day of the week is the LORD'S DAY now is there?
 
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Answered elsewhere, where in ACTS 15 does it say it is referring to God's 10 commandments when the CONTEXT and issue of discussion was "IS CIRCUMCISION A REQUIREMENT FOR SALVATION" which is the CONTEXT of ACTS 15. *ACTS 15:1-2?

The law of MOSES *DEUTERONONY 31:24-26; EXODUS 24:7 is not the LAW of GOD (10 Commandments) *EXODUS 20:1-17 that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOEUSNESS in the NEW COVENANT *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.
Verse 5 as I already mentioned.

The law of Moses is the first 5 books of the OT.
 
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Verse 5 as I already mentioned.

The law of Moses is the first 5 books of the OT.

Indeed, the law of MOSES is not God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) and CIRCUMCISION is not one of God's 10 commandments.

ACTS 15 does it say it is referring to God's 10 commandments when the CONTEXT and issue of discussion was "IS CIRCUMCISION A REQUIREMENT FOR SALVATION" which is the CONTEXT of ACTS 15. *ACTS 15:1-2?

The law of MOSES *DEUTERONONY 31:24-26; EXODUS 24:7 is not the LAW of GOD (10 Commandments) *EXODUS 20:1-17 that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOEUSNESS in the NEW COVENANT *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

God bless
 
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Christ is the Lord of the Sabbath. This means that Christ is the One who exercises authority even over the rules and regulations that govern the Sabbath day. In the Old Testament, the Sabbath law stated that no one must do any work; yet, Christ was accused of working on the Sabbath as He healed or cured people. The Pharisees had very strict laws regarding the Sabbath. They had set up strict laws regarding how to observe the Sabbath, which included 39 categories of forbidden activities. In essence, these religious leaders had made themselves lords of the Sabbath, thus making themselves lords over the people. However, Christ is the Lord of the Sabbath. He created the Sabbath, and as Creator, He is greater even than the Sabbath. Christ interpreted the true meaning of the Sabbath....that one is to keep holy the Sabbath day by doing good.

As Lord of the Sabbath, Jesus had the authority to change the Sabbath to the Lord’s Day, a day of worship. Christ is the true “Sabbath rest”. When He said, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath” Jesus was attesting to the fact that, just as the Sabbath day was originally instituted to give man rest from his labors, so did He come to provide us rest from laboring to achieve our own salvation by our works. Because of His sacrifice on the cross, we can now forever cease laboring to attain God’s favor and rest in His mercy and grace.

You ask about the "Lord's Day." The "Lord's Day" is mention only in the Book of Revelations (Rev. 1:10). The Lord's Day is Sunday because that was the day Christ rose from the dead....Sunday. The resurrection (Easter) is important to all Christians for it's the day Christ conquered death.

Yes, there is an eighth day. The eighth day is the same as the first day of the week......Sunday. According to Jewish custom, Jesus was circumcised on the eighth day.

Leviticus 12:3 And on the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised.

In the New Testament, baptism replaced circumcision.
Lord's day was the common expression among Christians for the first day of the week by 50 AD or so.
 
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Lord's day was the common expression among Christians for the first day of the week by 50 AD or so.
Indeed there is no scripture for it though as the LORD'S DAY is the SABBATH day *MATTHEW 12:8
 
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Hello Selene03,

I did post on this earlier and to you in post # 181 linked did you get a chance to read it?

Now to this post. Where does it say in God's WORD only the JEWS are to keep the Sabbath?

The SABBATH was created on the SEVENTH DAY of the CREATION week *GENESIS 2:1-3. JESUS says it was made for mankind not the JEWS and he is the LORD of the Sabbath *MARK 2:27-28 (Creator of the Sabbath).

There was no JEWS when when the Sabbath was created on the SEVENTH DAY of creation. If the SABBATH was made for man BEFORE SIN and BEFORE any JEWS how can the SABBATH be made only for the JEWS? Please show the scripture that says JESUS or PAUL or anyone else in God's WORD says people do not have to KEEP the SABBATH?

Please provide the scripture were PAUL says God's 4th commandment Sabbath is not binding on us. That is not true. Your mixing up the SHADOW laws in ORDINANCES from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT *DEUTERONOMY 31:24-26; EXODUS 24:7 and ceremonial sabbath laws (not the 4th Commandment) in FEAST DAYS with God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4. More on COLOSSIANS 2 here and here linked.

None of the scriptures you have posted say God's 4th Commandment is ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a HOLY DAY now do they?
So then you're really proclaiming the sabbath is a holy day. Then Col 2:16-17 testifies against what you promote both as a holy day and shadow law.
 
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Indeed there is no scripture for it though as the LORD'S DAY is the SABBATH day *MATTHEW 12:8
Doesn't need to be. There's no Scripture calling the sabbath the Lord's day.
 
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I am not sure brother how this section of your posts supports not keeping Gods 4th Commandment. Now where in all of God's WORD does it say God's 4th commandment has been ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep SUNDAY as a HOLY day? Where does COLOSSIANS 2:16 say that God's 4th commandment has been ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep SUNDAY as a HOLY DAY? Your reading into the scriptures brother something that it is not saying.


The question asked of you was;

Is there freedom in Chrsit for Christians to go out and lie, steal, murder, commit adultery, use Gods name in vain.... ?

The reason the question was asked is because there are 10 Commandments in God's ETERNAL LAW that gives us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when it is broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4.

There are 10 Commandments in God's ETERNAL LAW.

Q6. If we as Christians are not free today to go out and murder and steal why would you think we are free today to break God's 4th Commandment SEVENTH DAY SABBATH?
But you're guilty here. You won't discuss it either.
COLOSSIANS 2:16 is talking about not letting anyone judge you in relation to meat and drink, full moons and sabbaths in ORDINANCES v14 Not God's 4th Commandment or Gods 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken.
Sorry but this is a list of 3 different sets of holy days Jews were required to keep and insisted new Christians do the same.
 
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I think I'm going to hell cause I worship on Sunday...?

The Sabbath was made for Man and not Man for the (sake of) the Sabbath, (or it is, or was, and still should be, (The Sabbath) to serve Him (Man), and not Him (the man) to serve the Sabbath (Day)); Therefore, the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath Day" (or day of God's rest) (another time...) (Jesus thousand year reign is in itself a Sabbath or Sabbath Day) (another time)...

Therefore He (or he) can even change it in their or his or her own life, if they would ever so wish to or desire to...

What about people that work all weekends and have to, if they want to go to a church service try to catch one in the middle of the week or something...? If they could even do that... Would they be sinning by doing that...? If so, why bother to come or try at all...?

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Hello Selene03,

I did post on this earlier and to you in post # 181 linked did you get a chance to read it?

Now to this post. Where does it say in God's WORD only the JEWS are to keep the Sabbath?

The SABBATH was created on the SEVENTH DAY of the CREATION week *GENESIS 2:1-3. JESUS says it was made for mankind not the JEWS and he is the LORD of the Sabbath *MARK 2:27-28 (Creator of the Sabbath).

There was no JEWS when when the Sabbath was created on the SEVENTH DAY of creation. If the SABBATH was made for man BEFORE SIN and BEFORE any JEWS how can the SABBATH be made only for the JEWS? Please show the scripture that says JESUS or PAUL or anyone else in God's WORD says people do not have to KEEP the SABBATH?

Please provide the scripture were PAUL says God's 4th commandment Sabbath is not binding on us. That is not true. Your mixing up the SHADOW laws in ORDINANCES from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT *DEUTERONOMY 31:24-26; EXODUS 24:7 and ceremonial sabbath laws (not the 4th Commandment) in FEAST DAYS with God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4. More on COLOSSIANS 2 here and here linked.

None of the scriptures you have posted say God's 4th Commandment is ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a HOLY DAY now do they?
A straw man argument that has been burned on his own stake.
 
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Doesn't need to be. There's no Scripture calling the sabbath the Lord's day.

Well that is not true.

WHAT DAY IS THE LORD'S DAY?

MATTHEW 12:8. For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

Hope this helps.
 
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So then you're really proclaiming the sabbath is a holy day. Then Col 2:16-17 testifies against what you promote both as a holy day and shadow law.

Not at all brother Colossians 2:16 is not talking about the weekly sabbath it is talking about the ceremonial sabbaths connected to the annual feasts.

If we do not consider both the within scripture and chapter context and read the scripture in isolation to the rest of the chapter then we will not get the correct understanding of what is being discussed in COLOSSIANS 2. It is very clear looking at COLOSSIANS 2:11-17 that the CONTEXT is the law in ORDINANCES from the MOSIAC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT and not God's 10 commandments. This is shown in detail in the previous two posts looking at both the within scripture and chapter CONTEXT of COLOSSIANS 2:16-17.

Then comparing the within scripture context we can see very clearly that PAUL is referencing the MOSAIC Shadow law in FEAST days nearly word for word in EZEKIEL 45:17 with EZEKIEL 45:18-25 as confirmation. For example PAUL quoting

COLOSSIANS 2:16 [16] Let no man therefore judge you in MEAT, or in DRINK, or in respect of an HOLYDAY [FEASTIVALS], or of the NEW MOON, or of the SABBATH DAYS <plural>:

PAUL is quoting from

EZEKIEL 45:17 [17] And it shall be the prince's part to give BURNT OFFERINGS, and MEAT OFFERINGS, and DRINK OFFERINGS, in the FEASTS, and in the NEW MOONS, and in the SABBATHS, in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel.

So both the within chapter CONTEXT talking about the SHADOW laws of the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT and the within scripture CONTEXT talking about the ANNUAL FESTIVALS and ceremonial sabbaths connected to FEASTS (not God's 4th commandment) and also PAULS reference to the OLD TESTAMENT scriptures, all three reference points all agree together that COLOSSIANS 2:16 is in reference to the MOSAIC SHADOW laws and not God's 4th Commandment or God's 10 Commandments. The BURNT OFFERINGS, and MEAT OFFERINGS, and DRINK OFFERINGS, in the FEASTS, and in the NEW MOONS, and in the SABBATHS when applied together are all references to the annual FEAST days of LEVITICUS 23.

In these annual FEASTIVALS there were special ceremonial sabbaths (not God's 4th commandment) that where linked to certain FEASTS that could fall on any day of the week depending on the yearly cycle. These included;

* Annual festival of The blowing of trumpet (Leviticus 23:24)
* Annual Day of Atonement (Leviticus 23:32)
* Annual Feast of tabernacles (Leviticus 23:39)

These "SPECIAL" Sabbath could fall on any day and were connected directly to these festivals that were prophetic in nature pointing to Jesus and God's plan of Salvation in the NEW COVENANT.

COLOSSIANS 2 is talking about the SHADOW laws in ORDINANCES from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 which are fulfilled in Christ as shown in God's WORD in previous posts in 1; 2; 3 and 4 linked. Please feel free to respond to the linked posts (1-4) and all the scriptures in them if you disagree?

Your mixing up God's SHADOW laws in ORDINANCES with God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) which God's WORD says in the NEW COVENANT give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4 and leads us to Christ that we might be forgiven by faith *GALATIANS 3:22-25; ROMANS 8:1-4.

If we have no law then we have no KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is and no need of a Saviour. If we have no Saviour we are lost because we still in your sins and the wages of sin is death to all those who reject the gift of Gods dear son *ROMANS 6:23.

Now did you have any scriptures to show that God's 4th Commandment has been Abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

Hope this helps.
 
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