Is The Sinner’s Prayer Biblical?


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You practically didn't answer my question. I can say the same thing and have a totally different interpretation of Scriptures that .you and the 49 thousand denominations. If you knew Church History, you would know that all of the Churches were in Communion with each other.
I most assuredly did answer your question, by Christ Jesus himself. By whom do you get your authority? If you truly believe the Bible, per God and His Divinely inspired word, not only is it the sole source for humanity to know God but He tells us through His word that it is all we need that the man of God be pefect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works. Also God says the scriptures are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith that is in Christ Jesus. If something looks like a duck, sounds like a duck, walks like a duck, it is with all certainty a duck.
I most certainly know church history. I know that for a period of time all churches were in communion with each other and I also know it was the Lord's earnest desire that they remain in communion. We know, from history and more importantly from scripture, beyond a shadow of doubt that did not happen. No where in the Bible do I read of any church other than Christ's church. If something looks like a denonimation, sounds like a denomination, walks like a denomination, it is with all certainty a denomination.
If not, why not?
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I most assuredly did answer your question, by Christ Jesus himself. By whom do you get your authority? If you truly believe the Bible, per God and His Divinely inspired word, not only is it the sole source for humanity to know God but He tells us through His word that it is all we need that the man of God be pefect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works. Also God says the scriptures are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith that is in Christ Jesus. If something looks like a duck, sounds like a duck, walks like a duck, it is with all certainty a duck.
I most certainly know church history. I know that for a period of time all churches were in communion with each other and I also know it was the Lord's earnest desire that they remain in communion. We know, from history and more importantly from scripture, beyond a shadow of doubt that did not happen. No where in the Bible do I read of any church other than Christ's church. If something looks like a denonimation, sounds like a denomination, walks like a denomination, it is with all certainty a denomination.
If not, why not?
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My Church was founded by Jesus Christ himself and whom he gave authority "to bound in Earth and it will be bound in Heaven" and "to forgive sins"
You also say Scriptures are "the sole source to know God" which you cannot even find in the Bible. Meanwhile the Bible calls the Church "the pillar and foundation of Truth" and Paul says to "hold up the traditions either by word or by letter"
 
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My Church was founded by Jesus Christ
Jesus shed his blood for His church. When did you take possession of His church?
gave authority "to bound in Earth and it will be bound in Heaven" and "to forgive sins"
Yes, to declare to the world the terms and conditions of entering His kingdom on earth. Yes, forgiveness of sins resides only to those who are in Christ.
You also say Scriptures are "the sole source to know God" which you cannot even find in the Bible.
Per God, it is through the gospel of Jesus Christ that men are saved. If anyone preaches another gospel, let him be accursed. God desires that all men be saved. The church is the light unto the world. No man lights a candle and puts it under a bushel, but on a candlestick. There are no other God breathed scripture.
Meanwhile the Bible calls the Church "the pillar and foundation of Truth" and Paul says to "hold up the traditions either by word or by letter"
There are several adjectives used to describe the church, most of which, show ownership. Traditions are not to be taught as doctrine and therefore can have no effect on salvation.
You dodged my last post. So I ask you again.
I most certainly know church history. I know that for a period of time all churches were in communion with each other and I also know it was the Lord's earnest desire that they remain in communion. We know, from history and more importantly from scripture, beyond a shadow of doubt that did not happen. No where in the Bible do I read of any church other than Christ's church. If something looks like a denonimation, sounds like a denomination, walks like a denomination, it is with all certainty a denomination. If not, why not?
 
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Jesus shed his blood for His church. When did you take possession of His church?

Yes, to declare to the world the terms and conditions of entering His kingdom on earth. Yes, forgiveness of sins resides only to those who are in Christ.

Per God, it is through the gospel of Jesus Christ that men are saved. If anyone preaches another gospel, let him be accursed. God desires that all men be saved. The church is the light unto the world. No man lights a candle and puts it under a bushel, but on a candlestick. There are no other God breathed scripture.

There are several adjectives used to describe the church, most of which, show ownership. Traditions are not to be taught as doctrine and therefore can have no effect on salvation.
You dodged my last post. So I ask you again.
I most certainly know church history. I know that for a period of time all churches were in communion with each other and I also know it was the Lord's earnest desire that they remain in communion. We know, from history and more importantly from scripture, beyond a shadow of doubt that did not happen. No where in the Bible do I read of any church other than Christ's church. If something looks like a denonimation, sounds like a denomination, walks like a denomination, it is with all certainty a denomination. If not, why not?
"Yes, to declare to the world the terms and conditions of entering His kingdom on earth. Yes, forgiveness of sins resides only to those who are in Christ."
How do you define who is in Christ? Mormons say Christ is their savior yet we don't call them Christians.

"Per God, it is through the gospel of Jesus Christ that men are saved. If anyone preaches another gospel, let him be accursed."
I agree, that's why Orthodoxy has kept the same faith since the beginning. According to your own statement: opposition to Infant baptism, symbolic baptism, faith alone, memorial Communion, iconoclasm, etc, are anathema.

"Traditions are not to be taught as doctrine and therefore can have no effect on salvation."
The Bible does not say that, it is your opinion.

When was the Orthodox "denomination" created then? Or if you say that it has existed since the beginning, which ones were the other ones?
 
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Jesus shed his blood for His church. When did you take possession of His church?

Yes, to declare to the world the terms and conditions of entering His kingdom on earth. Yes, forgiveness of sins resides only to those who are in Christ.

Per God, it is through the gospel of Jesus Christ that men are saved. If anyone preaches another gospel, let him be accursed. God desires that all men be saved. The church is the light unto the world. No man lights a candle and puts it under a bushel, but on a candlestick. There are no other God breathed scripture.

There are several adjectives used to describe the church, most of which, show ownership. Traditions are not to be taught as doctrine and therefore can have no effect on salvation.
You dodged my last post. So I ask you again.
I most certainly know church history. I know that for a period of time all churches were in communion with each other and I also know it was the Lord's earnest desire that they remain in communion. We know, from history and more importantly from scripture, beyond a shadow of doubt that did not happen. No where in the Bible do I read of any church other than Christ's church. If something looks like a denonimation, sounds like a denomination, walks like a denomination, it is with all certainty a denomination. If not, why not?

By Ignatius:
Wherever the bishop appears, there let the people be; as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. It is not lawful to baptize or give communion without the consent of the bishop. On the other hand, whatever has his approval is pleasing to God. Thus, whatever is done will be safe and valid.

Letter to the Smyrnaeans 8, J.R. Willis translation.

Christian and Catholic were interchangeable terms since the beginning.
 
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By Ignatius:
Wherever the bishop appears, there let the people be; as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. It is not lawful to baptize or give communion without the consent of the bishop. On the other hand, whatever has his approval is pleasing to God. Thus, whatever is done will be safe and valid.

Sounds like typical rules used by every institution of man. God told us to give freely, that being His rule.
 
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By Ignatius:
Wherever the bishop appears, there let the people be; as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. It is not lawful to baptize or give communion without the consent of the bishop. On the other hand, whatever has his approval is pleasing to God. Thus, whatever is done will be safe and valid.

Letter to the Smyrnaeans 8, J.R. Willis translation.

Christian and Catholic were interchangeable terms since the beginning.
This writing by Ignatius may not have been approved by real Apostolic fathers such as Apostle Paul.
Study the history of the Church, the original Catholic Church no longer exists.
 
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Paul Washer examining the sinner's prayer.


This is the depravity of our own religious culture. Most teach contrary to what the Bible actually says. Again, I challenge you or anyone else to explain those verses that teach that Repentance means “to seek forgiveness with God by way of prayer.” (Located within the following spoiler).

I believe the Sinner’s Prayer is just another way of the Bible saying to “Repent.”

A Biblical Case For Repentance:


At the heart, I believe the Bible teaches that "Repentance" means, "Asking God for forgiveness" (Which of course naturally then leads to the "fruits of repentance", i.e. obedience to the Lord):

Important Note: While I may believe "Repentance" does involve to a certain degree a "change of mind" (like a person changing their mind about their old life of sin), I do not think "Repentance" exclusively means a “change of mind.”

"Asking God for forgiveness of sin" can either refer to: The "Sinner's Prayer" (Initial Salvation) (Romans 10:13), and or the seasoned believer "Confessing one's sin" (Continued Salvation) (See 1 John 1:9, 1 John 2:1).

Anyways, here are my ten points using Scripture showing that "repentance" means "asking God for forgiveness of sin.”

#1. Acts 2:38,
The New Living Translation says in Acts 2:38 to "repent of your sins."
Douay Reheims says in Acts 2:38 to "Do penance."
New Life Version says in Acts 2:38 to "Be sorry for your sins"

#2. Luke 17:3 says, "Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him." This doesn't make any sense if "repent" means believe in Jesus (as some teach) or to have a change of mind about sin (as others teach) or to exclusively forsake sin. Yes, we are to forsake sin as a part of repentance but that comes later after repentance (Which is to ask God for forgiveness of our sin). For how can we reconcile with a brother if we do not say we are sorry vs. just going on about life as if we did nothing wrong?

#3. Jesus said in Matthew 12:41 that the Ninevites will rise up in Judgment against this generation because they repented at the preaching of Jonah. If you were to turn to Jonah chapter 3, you would be able to see in Jonah 3:6-10 that the King of the Ninevites had told his people to:

(a) Cry out to God (i.e. Repentance) (See Jonah 3:8).
(b) Turn from their sins or evil ways (i.e. The Natural Fruits of Repentance).​

#4. Matthew 3:6 (which then lines up with Matthew 3:8). Also, in Mark 1:4-5, it says John preached the "baptism of repentance" for the remission of sins (verse 4), and it then defines this "baptism of repentance" by saying they confessed their sins when they were baptized (verse 5).

#5. We see in Acts of the Apostles 8:22 a clear example of Peter telling Simon to "repent" of his wickedness in trying to pay for the Holy Spirit. Peter is telling Simon to make a prayer towards God. For Peter says that he should pray that God might forgive him. In other words, Peter is telling Simon to repent of a one time event of wickedness by way of prayer to GOD. This only makes sense if "repent" means to "ask for forgiveness."

#6. Ezekiel 14:6 says,
"Repent, and turn yourselves from your idols;" Repent makes the most sense here if a person is asking God for forgiveness by way of prayer instead of a person just believing in God. Naturally a person believes in God as their Savior if they are planning on forsaking their idols.

#7. We see repentance is the topic of discussion in Luke 15 (Luke 15:6) (Luke 15:10); This is then followed up by the "Parable of the Prodigal Son" with the son desiring to be reconciled with his father. We learn the WAY the Prodigal Son desired to be reconciled with his father when he said,

"I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee, And am no more worthy to be called thy son: make me as one of thy hired servants." (Luke 15:18-19).

In other words, the Prodigal Son was seeking forgiveness. This ties into the point of repentance in Luke 15:6 and Luke 15:10.

#8. Luke 10:13 says,
"Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works had been done in Tyre and Sidon, which have been done in you, they had a great while ago repented, sitting in sackcloth and ashes." This rules out the theory that repentance is exclusively forsaking sin. Granted, forsaking sin always follow true repentance (Asking God for forgiveness of one's sins) but forsaking sin is not repentance. The word "repented" here is describing a one time event because they "repented", sitting in sackcloth and ashes. In Jonah 3:6 we learn that the King of Nineveh sat in sackcloth and ashes. In Jonah 3:8, the King of Nineveh tells people to put on sackcloth, and cry mightily unto God (i.e. repentance): and then turn from their evil way (i.e. the fruits of repentance).

#9. John the Baptist says we are to bring forth fruits worthy of repentance (Luke 3:8). Fruits are deeds (or obedience to God). How can repentance be the same thing as the fruit? Is the fruit the same thing as the tree?

#10. Jeremiah 8:6 says, "I hearkened and heard, but they spake not aright: no man repented him of his wickedness, saying, What have I done? every one turned to his course, as the horse rusheth into the battle." Here we see the word "repented of wickedness" tied with the words, "What have I done?" This is an acknowledgement of one's sin to God as a part of asking His forgiveness.


Notable Additional Verses that Deal with Repentance
(But They Do Not Use The Word "Repent" or "Repentance"):

"For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." (Romans 10:13).

13 "And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted. (Luke 18:13-14).

Proverbs 28:13 says whosoever confesses and forsakes sin shall have mercy.

I also challenge you to explain the parts of Scripture that defends prayer to the Lord or Jesus (within this second spoiler).

 
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"Yes, to declare to the world the terms and conditions of entering His kingdom on earth. Yes, forgiveness of sins resides only to those who are in Christ."
How do you define who is in Christ? Mormons say Christ is their savior yet we don't call them Christians.
Per God's word the only way to be "in" Christ is to be baptized into Him, putting on Christ
at which time God adds you to the body.

"Traditions are not to be taught as doctrine and therefore can have no effect on salvation."
The Bible does not say that, it is your opinion.
David, (if you don't mind) would you agree, that a "true" Christain will make every attempt possible to obey God? I suspect your answer to be yes, if I'm incorrect it's possible this is in vain. Nonetheless. I believe that God's word does teach that traditions are not to be taught as doctrine. Well, maybe we should define doctrine --- anything that definitely does or within sound reasoning could effect the eternal destiny of one's soul. Good?
Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision:Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, the Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth. - Titus 1:9-14
It is very difficult, if not impossible, to discern the difference between a "tradition" and "a commandment of man". Also:
And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. - Matthew 15:6-9
The scripture says to "hold" the traditions not to teach as doctrine. There is nothing wrong with holding to the tradition of Christ's church, that could in fact be a noble thing. How well the 1st century church did this leads us directly to the next topic.
When was the Orthodox "denomination" created then? Or if you say that it has existed since the beginning, which ones were the other ones?
Just like we know a Zebra by it's stripes, we can know Christ's church by comparing it to God's word. I know that Catholicism has taught so many heresies in the past, and to this very day, Catholicism is making a mockery out of the church thus leading thousands and thousands of souls astray. So, I ask you, does the Orthodox church teach things contrary to the word of God? Does the Orthodox church follow any of the teachings of man or does it follow the only authority of the church, it's head, Christ?
 
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It actually grieves me greatly that people do not understand the basics in coming to the Lord. Yes, a person can be saved without the “Sinners Prayer”, but a person who plainly reads Scripture like the Parable of the Tax Collector and the Pharisee (Luke 18:9-14) cannot deny the simplicity in seeking the Lord’s forgiveness when the Tax Collector beat his chest and said unto the Lord, “God be merciful to me a sinner.” (Luke 18:13).

The Sinner’s Prayer is taught in Scripture, folks!

We are truly living in the last days if men deny portions of Scripture like these.
 
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In fact, nobody has yet to explain the verses I brought forth in defense of the Sinner’s Prayer using their own English Bible. They will either try to say it is symbolic or they will say it means something totally different in the original languages. Don’t listen to them. Read and believe your Bible (plainly) for yourself.
 
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By Ignatius:
Wherever the bishop appears, there let the people be; as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. It is not lawful to baptize or give communion without the consent of the bishop. On the other hand, whatever has his approval is pleasing to God. Thus, whatever is done will be safe and valid.

Letter to the Smyrnaeans 8, J.R. Willis translation.

Christian and Catholic were interchangeable terms since the beginning.
I do not follow anything outside of the Bible. You nor I can not say that Christain and Catholic were used interchangeably since the beginning, we were not there. I can however, refute that statement by God's word. 1st Catholic does not appear anywhere in scripture. 2nd It does however tell us that the members of the church were first called Christain at Antioch, Christian was a new name given by God. I have no doubt that some of the 1st steps that led the church into the great apostasy were innocent in nature. However, as you and I both know, the nature of man is severely handicapped as to determining what is acceptable to God by our own accord.
 
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By Ignatius:
Wherever the bishop appears, there let the people be; as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. It is not lawful to baptize or give communion without the consent of the bishop. On the other hand, whatever has his approval is pleasing to God. Thus, whatever is done will be safe and valid.

Letter to the Smyrnaeans 8, J.R. Willis translation.

Christian and Catholic were interchangeable terms since the beginning.
Just a few more notes on this, since you brought up Ignatius. I see something going on here that seems very suspect and can explain how the "Catholic" church got so far off track. Just upon studying God's word each of the New Testament churches were autonomous. It is very evident from reading Revelation that each church was responsible for its own spiritual health. There was no intermediary between the church and Christ. Christ is the only, perfect Mediator between us and God. Jesus is our only priest, our High Priest after the order of Melchizedek. Ignatius states, "the bishop" signifying the bishop stands between the church and Jesus. The New Testament never even hints at this possibility. The titles of bishop and elder have always been used interchangeably in the New Testament. Bishops and elders are the same thing, overseers. See Titus 1:5-9 where Paul uses both terms interchangeably. Paul instructs Titus to ordain/appoint elders/bishops, not singular but plural and gives the qualifications of the office. Acts 14 they also ordained elders at every church. The New Testament church had elders or bishops over each church and they also had deacons. Elders/bishops were to oversee the church; they were responsible to see that the church remained sound in doctrine and to settle matters that always arise from time to time. If we weren't human, there would be no need of elders/bishops. The role of the deacon is that of the worker or server. This could very easily be where the New Testament church first began to drift, if you will. This "man implemented" extra importance on "the" bishop morphed throughout time all the way to the pope who sits himself up as head of Christ's church today. You know as well as I do what happens anytime "man" is given too much authority, if we can know this, you can be assured that God knows this. The hierarchy of the New Testament church was done that way for a reason. No one church or person has a stranglehold on salvation or the gospel of Christ. Be honest, ask yourself this question. If 2, 3 or 4 people, let's say in Singapore or anywhere, started studying the Bible and followed it's instruction and they believed in Jesus as the son of God and they all agreed on that fact. They all repented, started trying to live their lives like Christ. They then wanted to be baptized for forgiveness of their sins, in the name the Father, Son and the Holy Ghost. Upon being baptized would they not be members of the body of Christ?? Granted, it would be easier if they had a spiritually mature Christian guiding them, but isn't that what we are commanded to do brother??
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First, the Sinner’s Prayer is biblical; For I have already provided verses in defense of it.

Again, The verses you provided do not show "The" sinner's prayer such as this version:

"“Dear Heavenly Father, I know that I am a sinner and the wages of sin is death. You sent your Son Jesus to die on the cross for my sins. I accept Jesus as my Lord and Savior. I ask Jesus to come into my heart. I know my sins are now all forgiven past, present and future. Thank you Jesus for saving me and assuring my entrance into heaven. Amen."

It’s not a perfect answer you are looking for with exact words that men use today, but it was never meant to be a script that we read from.

So are you acknowledging that the sinners prayer I provided is a man-made practice/tradition? i.e. unbiblical?

Again, just look at the verses in post #2. If don’t care to address those verses than you are just seeing what you want to see in the Bible.

I have to disagree, it's not what I want to see, it's what I don't see. Pretty sure St.Paul and St. Peter never advocated "the" sinner's prayer on the day of Pentecost.

For your argument is sort of like saying how we cannot say "Trinity" or "BIble" because it is not mentioned in the Scriptures.

I agree, this is why I no longer believe in the unbiblical. man-made doctrine of sola scriptura.

Second, I am not a Protestant. The majority of them erroneously believe in OSAS or Belief Alone-ism. I believe we are saved by having faith in Jesus and by works of faith. I am not affiliated with any denomination. I just believe the Bible.

If you reject the teachings of the Catholic Church and the doctrine of papal primacy which upholds the divine authority of the Successor of St. Peter to rule over the entire Church with ordinary and immediate jurisdiction, then you are 'protesting' against the Catholic Church and therefore a Protestant.

Yes, I also believe in Sola Scriptura and I can back that up with the Bible if you are interested.

Let me guess....2 Tim.3:16-17? Unfortunately, adherents to sola scriptura often fail to quote St.Paul's appeal to apostolic tradition (vs.14) right before they quote verses 16-17. In this verse, there is an appeal to tradition before there is an appeal to the Scriptures, adherents to sola scriptura ignore this fact.

With that being said, and you believing in sola scriptura, could you show using Scripture alone how the Canon of Scripture was Determined?


Three, I believe the New Covenant teaches house fellowship like how the early church gatheried; However, I believe according to the Bible, we are living in the last days and most are not really trying to follow Jesus but they are only following their own way or their own sin. For Jesus says, “...when the Son of man comes, shall he find faith on the earth?” (See Luke 18:8). In fact, the idea of what you think of as a church is not even biblical. Nobody was meant to gather in a big building every week and give glory to one man. Fellowship is supposed to be between believers only, too. Unbelievers were not invited to sing alongside believers so as to do an altar call when they are ready to accept the Lord. So no. I don’t believe in the man made traditions that are found in big organized churches. Jesus said narrow is the way and FEW be there that finds it.


Would you agree that any or all of what you say to believe above, and being fallible, could be in error?

Have a Blessed Day Jason
 
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Would you agree that any or all of what you say to believe above, and being fallible, could be in error?

Have a Blessed Day Jason
No attempt to hijack the discussion ongoing, but shouldn't we all consider ourselves fallible? When we stop recognizing our fallibility, which is the true nature of man, we then begin to err from the truth. Jesus predicted the great apostasy. The only truth is God's word, beyond that, one is trusting the fate of his own soul to his own knowledge & understanding. A precarious state to be in to say the least!
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