On demand abortion is murder

Davidnic said:

That the word used for higher or governing powers and authorities is with Paul and Peter...one that means morally good, just, and superior, not just blanket in charge.

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All groundless.
Details - Romans 13:1

Davidnic said:

Maybe this will help you: The Limits of Submission to Man

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Excellent! An entire article with not one passage putting God over government.
No direct scripture support. Why not one?
WHY is the only one clear passage spoken to a high priest?
Becasue religious authority has no place in government.
Too scary to proclaim?

SkyWriting said:

Skilled in English - search skills - teams of translators

exousia: power to act, authority
Original Word: ἐξουσία, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: exousia
Phonetic Spelling: (ex-oo-see'-ah)
Definition: power to act, authority
Usage: (a) power, authority, weight, especially: moral authority, influence, (b) in a quasi-personal sense, derived from later Judaism, of a spiritual power, and hence of an earthly power.

Romans 13:1 Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which is from God. The authorities that exist have been appointed by God.

ejxousiva from (1832) (in the sense of ability)
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Exousia 2:562,238
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
ex-oo-see'-ah Noun Feminine
Definition

1. power of choice, liberty of doing as one pleases
   1. leave or permission
2. physical and mental power
   1. the ability or strength with which one is endued, which he either possesses or exercises
3. the power of authority (influence) and of right (privilege)
4. the power of rule or government (the power of him whose will and commands must be submitted to by others and obeyed)
   1. universally
      1. authority over mankind
   2. specifically
      1. the power of judicial decisions
      2. of authority to manage domestic affairs
   3. metonymically
      1. a thing subject to authority or rule 4c
   4. jurisdiction
      1. one who possesses authority 4c
   5. a ruler, a human magistrate 4c
   6. the leading and more powerful among created beings superior to man, spiritual potentates
   7. a sign of the husband's authority over his wife
      1. the veil with which propriety required a women to cover herself
   8. the sign of regal authority, a crown

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You are cutting and pasting a language you don't read right? I am asking so I can explain this to you. Do you read ancient Greek?

Because they use uJperecouvsai which indicates a superlative quality. So cutting and pasting out of context definitions is not really going to help you. The verse is: Pa'sa yuchV ejxousivai uJperecouvsai uJpotassevsqw. ouj gaVr e[stin ejxousiva eij mhV uJpoV qeou', aiJ deV ousai uJpoV qeou' tetagmevnai eijsivn.

This indicates a superlative quality of justness to the leadership not evil leadership.

SkyWriting said:

Excellent! An entire article with not one passage putting God over government.
No direct scripture support. Why not one?
WHY is the only one clear passage spoken to a high priest?
Becasue religious authority has no place in government.

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Daniel opens his windows and defies the evil law. And he does right by God in doing it.

Davidnic said:

Daniel opens his windows and defies the evil law. And he does right by God in doing it.

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I don't recall the windows.

SkyWriting said:

All groundless.
Details - Romans 13:1

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So obviously you don't read Ancient Greek then, just linking to stuff that you do not realize proves my point to anyone who does.

Davidnic said:

You are cutting and pasting a language you don't read right? I am asking so I can explain this to you. Do you read ancient Greek?

Because they use uJperecouvsai which indicates a superlative quality. So cutting and pasting out of context definitions is not really going to help you. The verse is: Pa'sa yuchV ejxousivai uJperecouvsai uJpotassevsqw. ouj gaVr e[stin ejxousiva eij mhV uJpoV qeou', aiJ deV ousai uJpoV qeou' tetagmevnai eijsivn.

This indicates a superlative quality of justness to the leadership not evil leadership.

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I am cutting and pasting english translation from experts. Your claims discounting evil government does not appear.

Davidnic said:

So obviously you don't read Ancient Greek then, just linking to stuff that you do not realize proves my point to anyone who does.

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Nothing there supports your claims. I'd be happy for you to show something that does.

SkyWriting said:

I don't recall the windows.

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Right in the article, please read it...more importantly in Scripture.

Daniel 6:10 Now when Daniel learned that the document had been signed, he went into his house, where the windows of his upper room opened toward Jerusalem, and three times a day he got down on his knees, prayed, and gave thanks to his God, just as he had done before.

Daniel directly disobeys the unjust law. Is thrown to the Lions for it.

Davidnic said:

Right in the article, please read it...more importantly in Scripture.

Daniel 6:10 Now when Daniel learned that the document had been signed, he went into his house, where the windows of his upper room opened toward Jerusalem, and three times a day he got down on his knees, prayed, and gave thanks to his God, just as he had done before.

Daniel directly disobeys the unjust law. Is thrown to the Lions for it.

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As I sad, the article has ZERO passages of support from scripture regading evil rulers.

EVIL RULERS is not that hard of a topic to cover. Am I right? What does scripture say about evil rulers?

SkyWriting said:

Nothing there supports your claims. I'd be happy for you to show something that does.

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Uh huh. Ok. I've shown you but you just refuse to see it. I trust others will.

Davidnic said:

Uh huh. Ok. I've shown you but you just refuse to see it. I trust others will.

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I went looking for evil rulers and you lost this new search as well.

2 Timothy 2:3
Share in suffering as a good soldier of Christ Jesus.

SkyWriting said:

As I sad, the article has ZERO passages of support from scripture regading evil rulers.

EVIL RULERS is not that hard of a topic to cover. Am I right? What does scripture say about evil rulers?

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Daniel disobeys them. So does Peter. Paul. Stephen. Many others. All to follow God over human law. Again, you've been shown.

I trust people now see what is required to justify accepting abortion. It leads to saying that the Great Commission should be ignored if rulers say so. That we should follow laws that are evil. And then the refusal to budge from that position even in the face of Daniel opening his windows as he must and not hiding from breaking the evil law. Clear as crystal.

redleghunter said:

For the purposes of this discussion we are speaking of the premeditated decision to end a human life in the womb where the pregnant woman is not at risk of life. So please don’t argue from the life of the mother as before Roe v Wade every state had a provision for the life of the mother.

This being a theology thread I am making the statement that on demand abortion is murder as outlined in Exodus 20:13

It is the premeditated killing of human life (Imago Dei) in cold blood.

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Interestingly, if a woman with child is murdered the assailant is charged with two murders. Wrap your head around that one!

Davidnic said:

Uh huh. Ok. I've shown you but you just refuse to see it. I trust others will.

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Ye old "I know greek better than 200 years of translators" argument?

New International Version
Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.

New Living Translation
Everyone must submit to governing authorities. For all authority comes from God, and those in positions of authority have been placed there by God.

English Standard Version
Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.

Berean Study Bible
Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which is from God. The authorities that exist have been appointed by God.

Berean Literal Bible
Let every soul be subject to the authorities being above him. For there is no authority except by God; but those existing are having been instituted by God.

New American Standard Bible
Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God.

King James Bible
Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

Christian Standard Bible
Let everyone submit to the governing authorities, since there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are instituted by God.

Contemporary English Version
Obey the rulers who have authority over you. Only God can give authority to anyone, and he puts these rulers in their places of power.

Good News Translation
Everyone must obey state authorities, because no authority exists without God's permission, and the existing authorities have been put there by God.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Everyone must submit to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except from God, and those that exist are instituted by God.

International Standard Version
Every person must be subject to the governing authorities, for no authority exists except by God's permission. The existing authorities have been established by God,

SkyWriting said:

Ye old "I know greek better than 200 years of translators" argument?

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Not at all. I just had four years of it and understand what the translators are saying. Like I said you can keep posting it because: Pa'sa yuchV ejxousivai uJperecouvsai uJpotassevsqw. ouj gaVr e[stin ejxousiva eij mhV uJpoV qeou', aiJ deV ousai uJpoV qeou' tetagmevnai eijsivn.

Its pretty plain in the Greek. uJperecouvsai is a superlative. Also used to describe elite athletes as well as high morals or justness.

And you are starting to get personal. Address the post and the information not the poster.

Davidnic said:

Daniel disobeys them. So does Peter. Paul. Stephen. Many others. All to follow God over human law. Again, you've been shown.

I trust people now see what is required to justify accepting abortion.

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Local law rules over man and is God's will.
If it was just one passage to be distorted by me, I'd fail in my argument.
If there was one passage about not following evil rulers, I'd fail.
The one passage says not to obey priests and bishops and follow ones heart instead.


1 Peter 2, 13-17
Titus 3, 1
1 Timothy 2, 1-3

Psalms 22:28
Daniel 2:20-21
Romans 13, 7
1 Timothy 2, 1-2

Deuteronomy 16:18-20
Revelation 1, 5
Romans 13, 4
Proverbs 21, 1

John 19, 11
Mark 3, 24
Proverbs 8, 15


Deuteronomy 28, 1-68
Daniel 2, 21
John 19, 10-11

You obviously are going to think what you think. People can read our exchange and see what they think.

Any abortion is murder.

Blessing to you @SkyWriting even though we disagree. I am off to finish making supper.