Ellen White's Sabbath in Eden is Not Biblical

Major1 · Jan 18, 2019

mmksparbud said:
The Disciples Kept the Sabbath
85 Times in the book of Acts
There are many scriptures that verify the Sabbath day being the 7th day of the week. All throughout the 'New testament', the first day of the week is called "The first day of the week" and the 7th day of the week is called "The Sabbath". This fact alone should prove when the Sabbath truly is.

Acts 17:1 (NKJV) Now when they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where there was a synagogue of the Jews. Acts 17:2 Then Paul, as his custom was, went in to them, and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures, Acts 17:3 explaining and demonstrating that the Messiah had to suffer and rise again from the dead, and [saying], "This Yahushua whom I preach to you is the Messiah." Acts 17:4 And some of them were persuaded; and a great multitude of the devout Greeks, and not a few of the leading women, joined Paul and Silas.
Here we see that Paul went to a Sabbath service where there were both Jews and Greeks. The scripture also mentions that this was a regular custom of Paul. Was this also the custom of Yahushua the Messiah?
Luke 4:16 (NKJV) So He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read.
So here we can see that 22 years after Yahushua's death and resurrection the disciples were attending Sabbath services. In no place do we see Paul or any other disciple teaching them that they should come back the next day for a 'first day of the week' service. But they went to three Sabbath services where there were both Jews and Greeks present. So then the doctrine that says the Jews have their day (the 7th day) and the Gentiles have their day (the 1st day) is foreign to scripture.
Some would argue that Paul was at the synagogue only because that is where he would find people to witness to...not to observe the Sabbath. But the scripture does not say that. This is an assumption that those who refuse the simplicity of the scriptures want to make, not one that the scriptures support. Again, the Seventh Day is called "The Sabbath day" in this passage.
So lets see where we are at now..
Acts 13:13 (NKJV) Now when Paul and his party set sail from Paphos, they came to Perga in Pamphylia; and John, departing from them, returned to Jerusalem. Acts 13:14 But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day and sat down. Acts 13:15 And after the reading of the Law and the Prophets, the rulers of the synagogue sent to them, saying, "Men [and] brethren, if you have any word of exhortation for the people, say on."
So here is another example where Paul and the other disciples came to the Synagogue in Perga to attend the Sabbath Service.
Seventh day - 4 First day - 0
A little later in the chapter, after Paul shares Yahushua with them we see that the Gentiles were quite interested.
Acts 13:42 (NKJV) So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.
Now here is a perfect situation for Paul to tell these Gentiles "Hey just come back tomorrow, we keep the Sabbath on the first day now!" But we don't see this written anywhere in scripture.
Acts 13:43 Now when the congregation had broken up, many of the Jews and devout proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas, who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of Yahweh Acts 13:44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of Yahweh.
So here is the fifth time that the disciples attended a Sabbath service on the day that Yahweh sanctified at creation. Again, the seventh day is called "the Sabbath" in this passage.
Seventh day - 5 First day - 0
Here is another example in Acts 16...
Acts 16:11 (NKJV) Therefore, sailing from Troas, we ran a straight course to Samothrace, and the next [day] came to Neapolis, Acts 16:12 and from there to Philippi, which is the foremost city of that part of Macedonia, a colony. And we were staying in that city for some days. Acts 16:13 And on the Sabbath day we went out of the city to the riverside, where prayer was customarily made; and we sat down and spoke to the women who met [there].
It was the custom of the Jews of that day for the rabbi to shut down the synagogue if there were not at least 10 men that would show up for the Sabbath meeting. This could very well be why there were women meeting by the riverside for prayer. Nevertheless, we see that the disciples sought a place to meet for the Sabbath and they did. Again, the seventh day is called "the Sabbath Day" in this passage.
Seventh day - 6 First day - 0
Acts 18:1 (NKJV) After these things Paul departed from Athens and went to Corinth. Acts 18:2 And he found a certain Jew named Aquila, born in Pontus, who had recently come from Italy with his wife Priscilla (because Claudius had commanded all the Jews to depart from Rome); and he came to them. Acts 18:3 So, because he was of the same trade, he stayed with them and worked; for by occupation they were tentmakers. Acts 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.
So we see that he worked on the other days as a tentmaker...but on the Sabbath He was not. And here again we see that both Jews and Greeks are in the synagogue and on the Sabbath. Paul also is among them attending the Sabbath services. The interesting thing about this verse is that instead of the scripture saying that they attended only one or three sabbath services, it says that he was there every Sabbath persuading both Jews and Greeks. Again, the seventh day is called "the Sabbath" in this passage so we know that we can at least count one. Let's do that..
Seventh day - 7 First day - 0
Now if Paul was in Corinth and was reasoning in the synagogue every Sabbath, if we could find out how long he stayed in Corinth then we would know how many Sabbaths he actually attended. Let's look furthur..
Acts 18:5 (NKJV) When Silas and Timothy had come from Macedonia, Paul was compelled by the Spirit, and testified to the Jews [that] Yahushua [is] the Messiah. 6 But when they opposed him and blasphemed, he shook [his] garments and said to them, "Your blood [be] upon your [own] heads; I [am] clean. From now on I will go to the Gentiles." 7 And he departed from there and entered the house of a certain [man] named Justus, [one] who worshiped God, whose house was next door to the synagogue. 8 Then Crispus, the ruler of the synagogue, believed on the Master with all his household. And many of the Corinthians, hearing, believed and were baptized. 9 Now the Master spoke to Paul in the night by a vision, "Do not be afraid, but speak, and do not keep silent; 10 "for I am with you, and no one will attack you to hurt you; for I have many people in this city." 11 And he continued [there] a year and six months, teaching the word of God among them.
A year and six months! Finally the ruler of the synagogue was converted to Yahushua and Paul was there a year and six months! So the scripture says that Paul was there every Sabbath and that he was there for a year and six months. If we counted this by our present calendar that would give us 52 Sabbaths in a year plus 26 Sabbaths in the following six months which gives us a total of 78 Sabbaths! Now lets add this to our present total:
Seventh Day - 85 First day - 0
So we can see that the disciples observed the Sabbath and attended a Sabbath service 85 times in the book of acts alone! Again, the seventh day is called "the Sabbath" in this passage.
Now how many times do we see them meeting together on the first day? Some would cite one example in Acts 20. Let's examine the text...
Acts 20:6 (NKJV) But we sailed away from Philippi after the Days of Unleavened Bread, and in five days joined them at Troas, where we stayed seven days. Acts 20:7 Now on the first [day] of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul, ready to depart the next day, spoke to them and continued his message until midnight.
Here we see an example of the disciples gathering together on the first day of the week. There is no mention of a Sabbath being observed in this verse. Nowhere is this day called "The Sabbath". In fact, we know that Paul was ready to depart the next day. According to verse 7, Paul spoke to them a message because for this very reason.
Now some would say that coming together to 'break bread' constitutes a meeting that includes the observance of partaking in Yahushua's body. But this is not true...consider this verse:
Acts 2:44 (NKJV) Now all who believed were together, and had all things in common, 45 and sold their possessions and goods, and divided them among all, as anyone had need. 46 So continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they ate their food with gladness and simplicity of heart, 47 praising Yahweh and having favor with all the people. And Yahweh added to the assembly daily those who were being saved.
According to this scripture, breaking bread was not an uncommon thing to do on a daily basis. It was one of the customs in those days to eat their 'daily bread'. Even in Yahushua's prayer He said "Give us this day our daily bread".
So we cannot confirm that this scripture in Acts 20 is a Sabbath day observance. In fact, nowhere does it say that the first day of the week is the Sabbath. But the 7th day of the week is always called "the Sabbath" in the 'new testament.'

BUT still...…….there is NOT ONE single Scripture in the Law which says "WORSHIP ON SATURDAY".

Romans 14:5-6
In the same way, some think one day is more holy than another day, while others think every day is alike. You should each be fully convinced that whichever day you choose is acceptable. Those who worship the Lord on a special day do it to honor him. Those who eat any kind of food do so to honor the Lord since they give thanks to God before eating. And those who refuse to eat certain foods also want to please the Lord and give thanks to God.

Major1 · Jan 18, 2019

mmksparbud said:
"The primitive Christians did keep the Sabbath of the Jews;.therefore the Christians for a long time together, did keep their conventions on the Sabbath, in which some portion of the Law were read: and this continued till the time of the Laodicean council." The Whole Works of Jeremey Taylor, Vol. IX, p416 (R. Heber's Edition, Vol.XII, p.416)
"The ancient Christians were very careful in the observation of Saturday, or the seventh day..It is plain that all the Oriental churches, and the greatest part of the world, observed the Sabbath as a festival...Athanasius likewise tells us that they held religious assemblies on the Sabbath, not because they were infected with Judaism, but to worship [Yahushua], the [Master] of the Sabbath, Epiphanius says the same." Antiquities of the Christian Church, Vol. II, Book XX, chap. 3, Sec. 1, 66.1137, 1138
"Ambrose, the celebrated bishop of Milan, said that when he was in Milan he observed Saturday, but when in Rome observed Sunday. This gave rise to the proverb 'When you are in Rome, do as Rome does,' " Heylyn, The History of the Sabbath, 1613
Constantine later enforced keeping a Sabbath on the first day of the week, which he calls "the venerable day of the sun." Venerable means 'commanding respect'.
The text of Constantine's Sunday Law of 321 A.D. is:
"One the venerable day of the Sun let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed. In the country however persons engaged in agriculture may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits because it often happens that another day is not suitable for gain-sowing or vine planting; lest by neglecting the proper moment for such operations the bounty of heaven should be lost."
This doesn't even really sound like Yahweh's Sabbath which forbids any kind of work at all on His day!
Later, those who observed the Sabbath were persecuted and killed by the Catholic church. When the Jesuit St. Francis Xavier arrived in India he immediately requested to the pope to set up the Inquisition there.
"The Jewish wickedness" of which Xavier complained was evidently the Sabbath-keeping among those native Christians as we shall see in our next quotation. When one of these Sabbath-keeping Christians was taken by the Inquisition he was accused of having *Judaized*; which means having conformed to the ceremonies of the Mosaic Law; such as not eating pork, hare, fish without scales, of having attended the solemnization of the Sabbath." Account of the Inquisition at Goa, Dellon, p.56. London, 1815
"Of an hundred persons condemned to be burnt as Jews, there are scarcely four who profess that faith at their death; the rest exclaiming and protesting to their last gasp that they are Christians, and have been so during their whole lives." Ibid p.64
Today, some of the leading Baptists even have admitted that the Sunday Sabbath isn't in the scriptures:
"There was and is a commandment to keep holy the Sabbath day, but that Sabbath day was not on Sunday...It will be said, however, and with some show of triumph, that the Sabbath was transferred from the seventh to the first day of the week....where can the record of such a transaction be found? Not in the New Testament. Of course, I quite well know that Sunday did come into use in early Christian history as a religious day, as we learn from the Christian Fathers and other sources. But what a pity that it comes branded with the mark of paganism, and christened with the name of a sun god, when adopted and sanctioned by the papal apostasy, and bequeathed as a sacred legacy to Protestantism!" Dr. Edward Hiscox, author of The Baptist Manual
The Disciples Kept the Sabbath 85 Times in Acts

"The monks sent to England [in 596 A.D.] by Pope Gregory the Great soon came to see that the Celtic Church differed from theirs in many respects…Augustine himself [a Benedictine abbot]…held several conferences with the Christian Celts in order to accomplish the difficult task of their subjugation [submission] to Roman authority…The Celts permitted their priests to marry, the Romans forbade it. The Celts used a different mode of baptism [i.e., true baptism: immersion] from that of the Romans…The Celts held their own councils and enacted their own laws, independent of Rome. The Celts used a Latin Bible [i.e., the Itala] unlike the [Roman Catholic's Latin] Vulgate, and kept Saturday as a day of rest.” (A.C. Flick, The Rise of Medieval Church, p.236-327)
"It seems to have been customary in the Celtic churches of early times, in Ireland as well as Scotland, to keep Saturday, the Jewish Sabbath, as a day of rest from labor. They obeyed the fourth commandment literally upon the seventh day of the week." (James C. Moffatt, D. D.,The Church in Scotland, Philadelphia: 1882, p.140)
"In this latter instance they seemed to have followed a custom of which we find traces in the early monastic church of Ireland by which they held Saturday to be the Sabbath on which they rested from all their labours." (W.T. Skene, Adamnan Life of St. Columba, 1874, p.96)

"It is probable that the primitive Christians kept the Pasch on the 14th of Nisan as determined by the Jewish authorities, and regarded it as the anniversary of the crucifixion. ...The churches of the Roman province of Asia...followed the older custom, keeping the Pasch on the 14th of Nisan, whatever the day of the week." (James F. Kenney, The Sources for the Early History of Ireland, Vol.1, pp.211, 212; Columbia University Press, New York, 1929)
"...they ignorantly refuse to observe our Easter [Pascha] on which Christ was sacrificed, arguing that it should be observed with the Hebrew Passover on the fourteenth of the moon." (Bede, Historia Ecclesiastica, II, 19 wherein Bede quoted "Pope" John's words concerning the Celtic brethren)

As followers of Christ, we are no longer under legalistic obligation, for the requirements of the law were fulfilled in Jesus Christ. Everything we have, and every day we live, belongs to the Lord. And not out of any forced obligation, but joyfully, willingly, we set aside one day each week to honor God, because every day truly belongs to him!

mmksparbud · Jan 18, 2019

Major1 said:
I disagree completely.

Colossians 2:14-16 so clearly states the weekly Sabbath was nailed to cross and abolished that Sabbatarians are at a loss to know what to do with it!

Col. 2:14-16...…..
"Having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us and which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. When He had disarmed the rulers and authorities, He made a public display of them, having triumphed over them through Him. Therefore let no one act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day- things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ."

All Sabbatarians are taught by their pastors, the false argument that the Plural "sabbaton" in Col 2:16 cannot refer to weekly Sabbath day. But as we can clearly see, there are at least 5 other places where the plural is used of the weekly Sabbath. The deception is even worse, given the fact that while most Seventh-day Adventist pastors know about these other passages, they do not tell their people in the pews!

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Let No One Disqualify You
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

-It's not our fault people want to read in to this verse what is not there! Ordinances--these are not the 10 commandments--these are the feast days, the Jewish holy days, they are called sabbaths, also. It does not day THE SABBATH DAY but the sabbath days--those ceremonial laws handwritten by Moses and set outside the ark that pointed to Jesus were a shadow of things to come---The sabbath was never a shadow of things to come but pointed backwards to creation. Lying, murder, adultery, stealing taking the Lord's name in vain, dishonoring parents, covetousness--All were a shadow of things to come??????? No longer have to keep them? You can do all them and still get to heaven??? If you don't have to keep them, then there is nothing to repent off if you do them. If you do away with one, you eliminate all.
There was only one set of laws that were ordinances that were a shadow of things to come---those---OBVIOUSLY--were the ordinances dealing with the sacrificial laws pointing to Jesus as the sacrifice for sins---for HE IS NOW OUR HIGH PRIEST AND LAMB!

This does not say that the Sabbath day was nailed to the cross!

Matthew 28:1, "Now after the Sabbath" [Greek- plural: sabbaton]
Luke 4:16, "He entered the synagogue on the Sabbath" [Greek- plural: sabbaton]
Acts 16:13, "And on the Sabbath day" [Greek- plural: sabbaton]
Exodus 20:8 (in Septuagint) "Remember the Sabbath day" [Greek- plural: sabbaton]
Leviticus 23:37-38 (in Septuagint) "besides those of the Sabbaths of the Lord" [Greek- plural: sabbaton]

Everyone knows about these verses---it is only plural IN CONTEXT!!! Every single one of those verses is dealing with only the Sabbath---singular, except for Leviticus--that proves our point!! Read the whole passage in context.

Lev 23:33 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Lev 23:34 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, The fifteenth day of this seventh month shall be the feast of tabernacles for seven days unto the LORD.
Lev 23:35 On the first day shall be an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
Lev 23:36 Seven days ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: on the eighth day shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: it is a solemn assembly; and ye shall do no servile work therein.
Lev 23:37 These are the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, to offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD, a burnt offering, and a meat offering, a sacrifice, and drink offerings, every thing upon his day:
Lev 23:38 Beside the sabbaths of the LORD, and beside your gifts, and beside all your vows, and beside all your freewill offerings, which ye give unto the LORD.
Lev 23:39 Also in the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when ye have gathered in the fruit of the land, ye shall keep a feast unto the LORD seven days: on the first day shall be a sabbath, and on the eighth day shall be a sabbath.
Lev 23:40 And ye shall take you on the first day the boughs of goodly trees, branches of palm trees, and the boughs of thick trees, and willows of the brook; and ye shall rejoice before the LORD your God seven days.
Lev 23:41 And ye shall keep it a feast unto the LORD seven days in the year. It shall be a statute for ever in your generations: ye shall celebrate it in the seventh month.
Lev 23:42 Ye shall dwell in booths seven days; all that are Israelites born shall dwell in booths:
Lev 23:43 That your generations may know that I made the children of Israel to dwell in booths, when I brought them out of the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.
Lev 23:44 And Moses declared unto the children of Israel the feasts of the LORD.

These feasts were called sabbaths.

mmksparbud · Jan 18, 2019

Major1 said:
BUT still...…….there is NOT ONE single Scripture in the Law which says "WORSHIP ON SATURDAY".

Romans 14:5-6
In the same way, some think one day is more holy than another day, while others think every day is alike. You should each be fully convinced that whichever day you choose is acceptable. Those who worship the Lord on a special day do it to honor him. Those who eat any kind of food do so to honor the Lord since they give thanks to God before eating. And those who refuse to eat certain foods also want to please the Lord and give thanks to God.

Not one single scripture reads WORSHIP ON SUNDAY!! What God wrote with His own hand on stone---unless He says different--it stands. That is why He wrote them on stone and put them inside the ark instead of having Moses write them himself, as he did the rest, and place them outside the ark.

mmksparbud · Jan 18, 2019

Major1 said:
As followers of Christ, we are no longer under legalistic obligation, for the requirements of the law were fulfilled in Jesus Christ. Everything we have, and every day we live, belongs to the Lord. And not out of any forced obligation, but joyfully, willingly, we set aside one day each week to honor God, because every day truly belongs to him!

Everyday and everything belongs to God---He is the ruler of the universe and as such He made 10 commandments that He wrote Himself and placed in the Ark which represents the Ark that is in heaven which contain those same commandments!! And He commanded we do our own works on the 1st 6 days of the week, but the 7th day He commanded we set apart strictly for Him. And what He commands, and writes with His own hand, no man can change---even those who claim to be God on earth!

BobRyan · Jan 18, 2019

Albion said:
See the OP.

from the OP

Dale said:
Those who go to church on Saturday, or advocate Sabbath observance, often say that God ordained the Sabbath in the Ten Commandments. It is assumed that Christians are obligated to obey the Ten Commandments,

Albion said: ↑
But you did make your point that Sabbatarians are not alone on that issue.

Indeed as we saw here - Yesterday at 11:46 PM #154

How much of the OP do you want to see disproven?

Major1 said:
The KJV translation of Colossians 2 verse 14 which we see, "handwriting of ordinances" refers to the various Mosaic rituals

No it does not... it refers to "DEBT" in fact "certificate of debt"

Col 2
14 having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.

Christ paid the debt that we owe -- our second-death lake-of-fire punishment owed for our sin.

The "reason" we need the Gospel as Rom 3:19-23 makes clear - is because we are condemned as sinners and cannot survive paying our own debt. If we each owed 2 dollars as our total debt for sin - there would be no Gospel -- we would each to pay the 2 bucks.

Not sure how that gets missed in this frequent "no Bible Sabbath for me" discussions.

So if some law was nailed to the cross, it would have to be the ceremonial law, since the moral law was not made "void" by the cross as seen in Romans 3:31.

Col 2 does not say some law was nailed to the cross - but rather the decrees related to our debt - the debt that we owe and the decrees written against us for each sin - the payment due for each sin committed.

Passover was not a "decree" or "debt" against us -- it was a promise - a prediction of the Savior. And Gentiles were never even obligated to keep it - only the literal Jews even had to deal with it.

Bible details matter.

mmksparbud · Jan 18, 2019

Major1 said:
Romans 14:5-6
In the same way, some think one day is more holy than another day, while others think every day is alike. You should each be fully convinced that whichever day you choose is acceptable. Those who worship the Lord on a special day do it to honor him. Those who eat any kind of food do so to honor the Lord since they give thanks to God before eating. And those who refuse to eat certain foods also want to please the Lord and give thanks to God.

Again---ceremonial laws and feasts having nothing to do with the 10 commandments.

BobRyan · Jan 18, 2019

Major1 said:
For about the 10th time...…..the Scriptures DO NOT say to worship on the SABBATH which YOU believe is Saturday. It is just not there!!!!!!!!

Yes it is -- read the scriptures.

It is a day of rest, and worship, and solemn assembly etc.

So then things like -
Like resting -- Ex 20:8-11
Like - solemn assembly Lev 23:1-3
Like - worship Is 66:23
Like - not getting side tracked to secular topics Isaiah 58:13
"worship Him who created the heavens and the earth" Rev 14:7

Bible details so incredibly obvious even your own sunday scholars admit to it.

BobRyan · Jan 18, 2019

Major1 said:
BUT still...…….there is NOT ONE single Scripture in the Law which says "WORSHIP ON SATURDAY".

Romans 14:5-6
In the same way, some think one day is more holy than another day, while others think every day is alike. You should each be fully convinced that whichever day you choose is acceptable. Those who worship the Lord on a special day do it to honor him. Those who eat any kind of food do so to honor the Lord since they give thanks to God before eating. And those who refuse to eat certain foods also want to please the Lord and give thanks to God.

Rom 14 says "on man observes one day above another while another man observes every day" - it speaks of the Bible-approved Lev 23 annual holy days.

By contrast Gal 4:7-11 condemns even ONE observance of a pagan day.

mmksparbud said:
Again---ceremonial laws and feasts having nothing to do with the 10 commandments.

how true and obvious that is... thanks for sharing it!

Major1 · Jan 19, 2019

BobRyan said:
Yes it is -- read the scriptures.

It is a day of rest, and worship, and solemn assembly etc.

So then things like -
Like resting -- Ex 20:8-11
Like - solemn assembly Lev 23:1-3
Like - worship Is 66:23
Like - not getting side tracked to secular topics Isaiah 58:13
"worship Him who created the heavens and the earth" Rev 14:7

Bible details so incredibly obvious even your own sunday scholars admit to it.

Blessing to you my friend! I have and will continue to pray for your understanding.

May I say to you just to make sure you understand that The Ten Commandments do not say anything about eternal life because the purpose of the Ten Commandments is not salvation. When it comes to salvation, there are two kinds of legalists. One legalist believes that eternal life comes through perfect obedience to God’s law like the rich young ruler who thought he was without fault in God’s sight.

The other legalist is someone who has convinced himself that he is saved because he totally believes that he is saved. This person regards God’s grace as a legally binding, “Get out of jail (Hell) for free,” ticket and he rejects the idea there is any connection between behavior and salvation.

Serious Bible students know that faith in the Lord Jesus Christ is the doorway to eternal life – not law or in keeping any of the law at any times which includes the Sabbath keepers.

Now it does not make one bit of difference as to what YOU personally believe as we are all at different levels of understanding. Some of us have given way to much admiration for certain teachers and some of us have only given our time to Bible studies.

The point is that no matter how many times you declare that there is a Bible command to worship on Saturday...….THERE IS NO COMMAND TO DO SO!

The fourth commandment declares the seventh day of the week is a memorial to God’s creation in Exodus 20:11, which is a day which He made holy before sin began in Genesis 2:1-3, and a day of REST for all humanity in Exodus 20:8-10.

NONE of the Scriptures you used say that we are command to Worship on Saturday.

The are clear that EVERYDAY belongs to the Lord and HE is the God of ALL days not just Saturday which was given for a day of REST and was not given to anyone before Exodus 16.

I continue to be perplexed at how you can not grasp that BIBLE teaching.

Major1 · Jan 19, 2019

BobRyan said:
Rom 14 says "on man observes one day above another while another man observes every day" - it speaks of the Bible-approved Lev 23 annual holy days.

By contrast Gal 4:7-11 condemns even ONE observance of a pagan day.

how true and obvious that is... thanks for sharing it!

The Bible says that originally, the Sabbath was a day of rest, and that purpose was retained in the Mosaic Law.

There are NO directions so as to Worship on Saturday. You are mixing GRACE with LAW and it will not work. Never has and never will!

Again, if that is what YOU want to do then do it. But you must know that The keeping of the Sabbath was the “sign” of the covenant between Israel and the Lord (Exodus 31:13) and NOT THE CHURCH.

Major1 · Jan 19, 2019

mmksparbud said:
Again---ceremonial laws and feasts having nothing to do with the 10 commandments.

It certainly does if you are a Jew. And you can not pick out one and ignore all the rest as the Scriptures clearly say that if YOU break ONE you have broken them all.

Isn't the opposite just as true then?

Major1 · Jan 19, 2019

BobRyan said:
from the OP

Indeed as we saw here - Yesterday at 11:46 PM #154

How much of the OP do you want to see disproven?

No it does not... it refers to "DEBT" in fact "certificate of debt"

Col 2
14 having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.

Christ paid the debt that we owe -- our second-death lake-of-fire punishment owed for our sin.

The "reason" we need the Gospel as Rom 3:19-23 makes clear - is because we are condemned as sinners and cannot survive paying our own debt. If we each owed 2 dollars as our total debt for sin - there would be no Gospel -- we would each to pay the 2 bucks.

Not sure how that gets missed in this frequent "no Bible Sabbath for me" discussions.

Col 2 does not say some law was nailed to the cross - but rather the decrees related to our debt - the debt that we owe and the decrees written against us for each sin - the payment due for each sin committed.

Passover was not a "decree" or "debt" against us -- it was a promise - a prediction of the Savior. And Gentiles were never even obligated to keep it - only the literal Jews even had to deal with it.

Bible details matter.

Col. 2:14...…
" Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross" - KJV

The reference to “handwriting of ordinances” (KJV) is a clear reference to the Law of Moses. To understand this application, we’ll need to understand the references to “rudiments of the world” (verse 8 – see below).

Please reference (below) Galatians chapter 4:3,9 and the usage of “elements of the world”. This is the same word in Greek (STOICHEION – “first principals”) as “rudiments” in Colossians 2:8. Paul demonstrates that once your are saved from the first principals of the law, why would you want to back again to bondage under the law. Hence, the law was nailed to the cross and “taken out of the way”!

Ephesians 4:1-10 (KJV)
Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all; 2 But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the father. 3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world: 4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, 5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. 6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. 7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ. 8 Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods. 9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? 10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.

The Book of Galatians is one huge discourse about the inferiority of the Old Covenant of the Law verses the superiority of the New Covenant of Grace. Paul is fighting off the doctrine of the Judeizers who want to bring the dogma of following the law into the lives of the Galatian church. In 4:3, Paul is speaking specifically about the law (elements of the world) and how mankind was under bondage to that law. Then in verse 9, he says that once you have been saved by grace (from the law) and now have known God, why would you want to go back to the “weak and beggarly elements” (elements is same word STOICHEION in Greek) of the law.

In Colossians 2 (see below), Paul is basically stating the same premise as Galatians 4. In verse 4 he warns the Colossians of men trying to “beguile” them with false doctrine of the law. In verse 8, he expressly refers to the law, “after the traditions of men after the rudiments (STOICHEION) of the world”. He then states in verse 11, that the Christian’s circumcision is not made with hands (via the law). In verse 16-17, he states that these ordinances of the law are but a shadow of things to come. Same idea is communicated in Hebrews 10:

Hebrews 10:1 (KJV)
"For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect".

Paul then puts an exclamation point on the discussion in verses 20-21 stating that if you are now saved by grace FROM the rudiments/elements of the world, why then would you want to be subject again to ordinances like “touch not, taste not, handle not” – clear references to the ordinances of the Law of Moses.

Colossians 2:4-21 ………………..
"And this I say, lest any man should beguile you with enticing words. 5 For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ. 6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him: 7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving. 8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. 10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: 11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: 12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; 14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. 16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. 18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, 19 And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God. 20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, 21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not".

Source: What was nailed to the cross in Colossians 2:14?

Major1 · Jan 19, 2019

mmksparbud said:
Everyday and everything belongs to God---He is the ruler of the universe and as such He made 10 commandments that He wrote Himself and placed in the Ark which represents the Ark that is in heaven which contain those same commandments!! And He commanded we do our own works on the 1st 6 days of the week, but the 7th day He commanded we set apart strictly for Him. And what He commands, and writes with His own hand, no man can change---even those who claim to be God on earth!

WHY are you stating this????

This is NOT in any way applicable as we all know and understand that completely!

You are 100% correct in what you said. However...…….He did NOT say WORSHIP on Saturday. He said REST!

Obviously, with no work being done on the Sabbath day, I personally agree that the Sabbath day would be the ideal day to have organized worship services. IF I WERE A JEW.

However, the New Testament does not command that the Sabbath be the day of worship. The church is not under the Mosaic Law.

The church is under the New Covenant, established by the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. The Bible nowhere describes Christians setting aside the Sabbath day as the day of worship.

As your Friend Bob keeps saying...……."Bible details matter".
He is correct but he just does not have the ability to grasp those details.

Major1 · Jan 19, 2019

mmksparbud said:
Not one single scripture reads WORSHIP ON SUNDAY!! What God wrote with His own hand on stone---unless He says different--it stands. That is why He wrote them on stone and put them inside the ark instead of having Moses write them himself, as he did the rest, and place them outside the ark.

Correct. The Scriptures say...……."FIRST day of the Week".

The other side of your comment is that there is not one single Scripture that says the Church is to worship on Saturday!

Acts 20:7 ESV
On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul talked with them, intending to depart on the next day, and he prolonged his speech until midnight.

Acts 20:7 ESV
On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul talked with them, intending to depart on the next day, and he prolonged his speech until midnight.

John 20:19 ESV
On the evening of that day, the first day of the week, the doors being locked where the disciples were for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said to them, “Peace be with you.”

To answer your comment correctly, there are No Scriptures in the bible is there a verse that says in THE EXACT words that it has been changed from the 7th day to the 1st day.

Correct Bible exegesis and proper CONTEXT tells us that The 7th day sabbath was never given to anyone except the Israelites who were at Mt Sinai after being delivered from Egyptian bondage. It was never given to Abraham, Isaac or Jacob, the ones that the Israelites looked to as their father. It was never given to the Gentiles.

My dear friend...….

Deut. 5:1………
"Then Moses summoned all Israel and said to them: ?Hear, O Israel, the statutes and the ordinances which I am speaking today in your hearing, that you may learn them and observe them carefully. The Lord our God made a covenant with us at Horeb.
The Lord did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us, with all those of us alive here today.

Deut. 5:12…..
Observe the sabbath day to keep it holy, as the Lord your God commanded you. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a sabbath of the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter or your male servant or your female servant or your ox or your donkey or any of your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you, so that your male servant and your female servant may rest as well as you. You shall remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, and the Lord your God brought you out of there by a mighty hand and by an outstretched arm; therefore the Lord your God commanded you to observe the sabbath day."

NOT one single word was said about WORSHIP on a SATURDAY.

The Israelites were the ones that were slaves in Egypt, no one else therefore the law of the sabbath applied only to them.

It was a part of the covenant that God gave to Israel and Israel only, and it was to last only until Christ came who would give a better covenant.

Christ arose from the dead on the first day of the week, (Matt. 28:1).

The church began on the first day of the week, (Acts 2:47)

The first century church worshiped and observed the Lords' Supper on the first day of the week, (Acts 20:7).

The early church gave of their means on the first day of the week when they came together to worship. (1 Cor 16:1-2)

All history, both church history and secular history show that the early church met for worship on the first day of the week.

The sabbath was a part of the Law of God, the Law of Moses which was ended when Christ died on the cross. (Col 2:14)

The observance of the first day of the week began when the church began, on the first day of Pentecost following the resurrection of Christ. (Acts 2).

Bless you as you pray and contemplate these Bible facts because as Bob Ryan says.....
Bible details matter" and he is 100% correct in that.

Major1 · Jan 19, 2019

mmksparbud said:
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Let No One Disqualify You
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

-It's not our fault people want to read in to this verse what is not there! Ordinances--these are not the 10 commandments--these are the feast days, the Jewish holy days, they are called sabbaths, also. It does not day THE SABBATH DAY but the sabbath days--those ceremonial laws handwritten by Moses and set outside the ark that pointed to Jesus were a shadow of things to come---The sabbath was never a shadow of things to come but pointed backwards to creation. Lying, murder, adultery, stealing taking the Lord's name in vain, dishonoring parents, covetousness--All were a shadow of things to come??????? No longer have to keep them? You can do all them and still get to heaven??? If you don't have to keep them, then there is nothing to repent off if you do them. If you do away with one, you eliminate all.
There was only one set of laws that were ordinances that were a shadow of things to come---those---OBVIOUSLY--were the ordinances dealing with the sacrificial laws pointing to Jesus as the sacrifice for sins---for HE IS NOW OUR HIGH PRIEST AND LAMB!

This does not say that the Sabbath day was nailed to the cross!

Matthew 28:1, "Now after the Sabbath" [Greek- plural: sabbaton]

Luke 4:16, "He entered the synagogue on the Sabbath" [Greek- plural: sabbaton]

Acts 16:13, "And on the Sabbath day" [Greek- plural: sabbaton]

Exodus 20:8 (in Septuagint) "Remember the Sabbath day" [Greek- plural: sabbaton]

Leviticus 23:37-38 (in Septuagint) "besides those of the Sabbaths of the Lord" [Greek- plural: sabbaton]

Everyone knows about these verses---it is only plural IN CONTEXT!!! Every single one of those verses is dealing with only the Sabbath---singular, except for Leviticus--that proves our point!! Read the whole passage in context.

Lev 23:33 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Lev 23:34 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, The fifteenth day of this seventh month shall be the feast of tabernacles for seven days unto the LORD.
Lev 23:35 On the first day shall be an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
Lev 23:36 Seven days ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: on the eighth day shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: it is a solemn assembly; and ye shall do no servile work therein.
Lev 23:37 These are the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, to offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD, a burnt offering, and a meat offering, a sacrifice, and drink offerings, every thing upon his day:
Lev 23:38 Beside the sabbaths of the LORD, and beside your gifts, and beside all your vows, and beside all your freewill offerings, which ye give unto the LORD.
Lev 23:39 Also in the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when ye have gathered in the fruit of the land, ye shall keep a feast unto the LORD seven days: on the first day shall be a sabbath, and on the eighth day shall be a sabbath.
Lev 23:40 And ye shall take you on the first day the boughs of goodly trees, branches of palm trees, and the boughs of thick trees, and willows of the brook; and ye shall rejoice before the LORD your God seven days.
Lev 23:41 And ye shall keep it a feast unto the LORD seven days in the year. It shall be a statute for ever in your generations: ye shall celebrate it in the seventh month.
Lev 23:42 Ye shall dwell in booths seven days; all that are Israelites born shall dwell in booths:
Lev 23:43 That your generations may know that I made the children of Israel to dwell in booths, when I brought them out of the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.
Lev 23:44 And Moses declared unto the children of Israel the feasts of the LORD.

These feasts were called sabbaths.

You have read and followed William Miller and Ellen White and you have every right to do so.

Instead of them I will give you some different perspectives from some other Christian advisors and authors...……

Adam Clarke Commentary says...……...
Blotting out the hand-writing of ordinances - By the hand-writing of ordinances the apostle most evidently means the ceremonial law: this was against them, for they were bound to fulfill it; and it was contrary to them, as condemning them for their neglect and transgression of it. This law God himself has blotted out.

Blotting out the hand-writing is an allusion to Numbers 5:23, where the curses written in the book, in the case of the woman suspected of adultery, are directed to be blotted out with the bitter waters. And there can be little doubt of a farther allusion, viz., to the custom of discharging the writing from parchment by the application of such a fluid as the muriatic acid, which immediately dissolves those ferruginous calces which constitute the blackening principle of most inks. But the East India inks, being formed only of simple black, such as burnt ivory, or cork, and gum water, may be wiped clean off from the surface of the paper or parchment by the application of a wet sponge, so as to leave not one legible vestige remaining: this I have often proved.

Nailing it to his cross - When Christ was nailed to the cross, our obligation to fulfill these ordinances was done away. There may be another reference here to some ancient mode of annulling legal obligations, by nailing them to a post; but I do not recollect at present an instance or example. Antiquated laws are said to have been thus abrogated.

Albert Barnes' Notes on the Whole Bible
Blotting out the handwriting - The word rendered handwriting means something written by the hand, a manuscript; and here, probably, the writings of the Mosaic law, or the law appointing many ordinances or observances in religion. The allusion is probably to a written contract, in which we bind ourselves to do any work, or to make a payment, and which remains in force against us until the bond is cancelled. That might be done, either by blotting out the names, or by drawing lines through it, or, as appears to have been practiced in the East, by driving a nail through it. The Jewish ceremonial law is here represented as such a contract, binding those under it to its observance, until it was nailed to the cross. The meaning here is, that the burdensome requirements of the Mosaic law are abolished, and that its necessity is superseded by the death of Christ. His death had the same effect, in reference to those ordinances, as if they had been blotted from the statute-book. This it did by fulfilling them, by introducing a more perfect system, and by rendering their observance no longer necessary, since all that they were designed to typify had been now accomplished in a better way; compare the notes at Ephesians 2:15.

Of ordinances - Prescribing the numerous rites and ceremonies of the Jewish religion.

Coffman's Commentaries on the Bible...………..
Having blotted out the bond written in ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us: and he hath taken it out of the way, nailing it to the cross.

Bond written in ordinances ... This is a reference to the Decalogue and to the entire Law of Moses. Widespread denial of this is and inaccurate. Peake's skilled exegesis on this question is pertinent:

Distinction between moral and ceremonial Law has no meaning in Paul. The Law is a unity and is done away as a whole. For Paul, the hostile character of the Law is peculiarly associated with the moral side of it. The Law which slew him is represented by the 10th Commandment, and the ministry of death was engraved on tables of stone?

Written in ordinances ... as in this verse, signifies the tables of stone inscribed by the finger of God. As Wallace pointed out, it is deplorable that "By omission of `handwriting of ordinances' the revisionists break this connection." The words certainly belong as a sure testimony that the Decalogue is here indicated.

Taken it out of the way ... nailing it to the cross ... ...…
These terms indicate the absolute cancellation and abrogation of the Law of Moses. Also, the fact should not be lost sight of that the heresy at Colossae was deeply involved with the Law of Moses, practically all of this chapter being particularly applicable to it.

The special application of this verse, as inclusive of the moral part of the Law of Moses, was discussed thus by Macknight:
"The moral precepts of the Law of Moses are called the Chirograph, or handwriting of ordinances, because the most essential of these precepts were written by the hand of God on two tables of stone; and the rest Moses was directed to write in a book."

Sabbatarians make two profound mistakes:
(1) in their understanding of the sabbath day commandment as in any sense a part of the moral law, and
(2) in their insistence that the moral portion of the Law of Moses is still in effect; whereas nothing could be more emphatic than the New Testament declarations that the Law, not part of it, but all of it, has been changed, abrogated, taken away, nailed to the cross, etc.

mmksparbud · Jan 19, 2019

Major1 said:
Blessing to you my friend! I have and will continue to pray for your understanding.

May I say to you just to make sure you understand that The Ten Commandments do not say anything about eternal life because the purpose of the Ten Commandments is not salvation. When it comes to salvation, there are two kinds of legalists. One legalist believes that eternal life comes through perfect obedience to God’s law like the rich young ruler who thought he was without fault in God’s sight.

The other legalist is someone who has convinced himself that he is saved because he totally believes that he is saved. This person regards God’s grace as a legally binding, “Get out of jail (Hell) for free,” ticket and he rejects the idea there is any connection between behavior and salvation.

Serious Bible students know that faith in the Lord Jesus Christ is the doorway to eternal life – not law or in keeping any of the law at any times which includes the Sabbath keepers.

Now it does not make one bit of difference as to what YOU personally believe as we are all at different levels of understanding. Some of us have given way to much admiration for certain teachers and some of us have only given our time to Bible studies.

The point is that no matter how many times you declare that there is a Bible command to worship on Saturday...….THERE IS NO COMMAND TO DO SO!

The fourth commandment declares the seventh day of the week is a memorial to God’s creation in Exodus 20:11, which is a day which He made holy before sin began in Genesis 2:1-3, and a day of REST for all humanity in Exodus 20:8-10.

NONE of the Scriptures you used say that we are command to Worship on Saturday.

The are clear that EVERYDAY belongs to the Lord and HE is the God of ALL days not just Saturday which was given for a day of REST and was not given to anyone before Exodus 16.

I continue to be perplexed at how you can not grasp that BIBLE teaching.

There is absolutely no command to worship on Sunday. What part of "thou shalt not" and "remember" is it you do not understand??
Rev 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
Rev 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
sunday is a man made day.
Mat_5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Break one--you break them all.
It is a matter of whom you will obey, God or man. I continue to be perplexed at how you can not grasp that BIBLE teaching.

BobRyan · Jan 19, 2019

Major1 said:
For about the 10th time...…..the Scriptures DO NOT say to worship on the SABBATH which YOU believe is Saturday. It is just not there!!!!!!!!

Yes it is -- read the scriptures.

It is a day of rest, and worship, and solemn assembly etc.

So then things like -
Like resting -- Ex 20:8-11
Like - solemn assembly Lev 23:1-3
Like - worship Is 66:23
Like - not getting side tracked to secular topics Isaiah 58:13
"worship Him who created the heavens and the earth" Rev 14:7

Bible details so incredibly obvious even your own sunday scholars admit to it.

That is the "Bible teaching"

Major1 said:
The Bible says that originally, the Sabbath was a day of rest, and that purpose was retained in the Mosaic Law.

There are NO directions so as to Worship on Saturday.

The same Moses that put the Ten Commandments in the ark - also wrote
the Sabbath is a day for - solemn assembly Lev 23:1-3
to the same audience of God's chosen people.

I think we all know that.

And those same Ten Commandments said " do not take God's name in vain".

No wonder the NEW Covenant of Jeremiah 31:31-33 says that the NEW Covenant of GRACE - writes "God's LAW on the heart and mind" - the same LAW that Jeremiah knew to have been spoken by God Himself audibly from Sinai.

Major1 said:
You are mixing GRACE with LAW and it will not work. Never has and never will!

You are "quoting you" -- I prefer the actual New Covenant.

Even your own sunday scholars admit to this obvious Bible detail. And they also admit that all TEN of the TEN Commandments apply to Christians.

"This IS the LOVE of God that we KEEP His Commandments" 1 John 5:2-3 where the "fifth commandment is the FIRST commandment WITH a promise" Eph 6:2

in Christ,

Bob

mmksparbud · Jan 19, 2019

Major1 said:
You have read and followed William Miller and Ellen White and you have every right to do so.

Instead of them I will give you some different perspectives from some other Christian advisors and authors...……

Adam Clarke Commentary says...……...
Blotting out the hand-writing of ordinances - By the hand-writing of ordinances the apostle most evidently means the ceremonial law: this was against them, for they were bound to fulfill it; and it was contrary to them, as condemning them for their neglect and transgression of it. This law God himself has blotted out.

Blotting out the hand-writing is an allusion to Numbers 5:23, where the curses written in the book, in the case of the woman suspected of adultery, are directed to be blotted out with the bitter waters. And there can be little doubt of a farther allusion, viz., to the custom of discharging the writing from parchment by the application of such a fluid as the muriatic acid, which immediately dissolves those ferruginous calces which constitute the blackening principle of most inks. But the East India inks, being formed only of simple black, such as burnt ivory, or cork, and gum water, may be wiped clean off from the surface of the paper or parchment by the application of a wet sponge, so as to leave not one legible vestige remaining: this I have often proved.

Nailing it to his cross - When Christ was nailed to the cross, our obligation to fulfill these ordinances was done away. There may be another reference here to some ancient mode of annulling legal obligations, by nailing them to a post; but I do not recollect at present an instance or example. Antiquated laws are said to have been thus abrogated.

Albert Barnes' Notes on the Whole Bible
Blotting out the handwriting - The word rendered handwriting means something written by the hand, a manuscript; and here, probably, the writings of the Mosaic law, or the law appointing many ordinances or observances in religion. The allusion is probably to a written contract, in which we bind ourselves to do any work, or to make a payment, and which remains in force against us until the bond is cancelled. That might be done, either by blotting out the names, or by drawing lines through it, or, as appears to have been practiced in the East, by driving a nail through it. The Jewish ceremonial law is here represented as such a contract, binding those under it to its observance, until it was nailed to the cross. The meaning here is, that the burdensome requirements of the Mosaic law are abolished, and that its necessity is superseded by the death of Christ. His death had the same effect, in reference to those ordinances, as if they had been blotted from the statute-book. This it did by fulfilling them, by introducing a more perfect system, and by rendering their observance no longer necessary, since all that they were designed to typify had been now accomplished in a better way; compare the notes at Ephesians 2:15.

Of ordinances - Prescribing the numerous rites and ceremonies of the Jewish religion.

Coffman's Commentaries on the Bible...………..
Having blotted out the bond written in ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us: and he hath taken it out of the way, nailing it to the cross.

Bond written in ordinances ... This is a reference to the Decalogue and to the entire Law of Moses. Widespread denial of this is and inaccurate. Peake's skilled exegesis on this question is pertinent:

Distinction between moral and ceremonial Law has no meaning in Paul. The Law is a unity and is done away as a whole. For Paul, the hostile character of the Law is peculiarly associated with the moral side of it. The Law which slew him is represented by the 10th Commandment, and the ministry of death was engraved on tables of stone?

Written in ordinances ... as in this verse, signifies the tables of stone inscribed by the finger of God. As Wallace pointed out, it is deplorable that "By omission of `handwriting of ordinances' the revisionists break this connection." The words certainly belong as a sure testimony that the Decalogue is here indicated.

Taken it out of the way ... nailing it to the cross ... ...…
These terms indicate the absolute cancegw ellation and abrogation of the Law of Moses. Also, the fact should not be lost sight of that the heresy at Colossae was deeply involved with the Law of Moses, practically all of this chapter being particularly applicable to it.

The special application of this verse, as inclusive of the moral part of the Law of Moses, was discussed thus by Macknight:
"The moral precepts of the Law of Moses are called the Chirograph, or handwriting of ordinances, because the most essential of these precepts were written by the hand of God on two tables of stone; and the rest Moses was directed to write in a book."

Sabbatarians make two profound mistakes:
(1) in their understanding of the sabbath day commandment as in any sense a part of the moral law, and
(2) in their insistence that the moral portion of the Law of Moses is still in effect; whereas nothing could be more emphatic than the New Testament declarations that the Law, not part of it, but all of it, has been changed, abrogated, taken away, nailed to the cross, etc.

Again---the disciples, those early Christians that you have been informed about several times, the 7th day Baptists, the Pitcairn survivors--none of whom had EGW -- they got it straight from the bible.
You are following the Roman Catholic version of worship--and you have every right to do, "As for me and my house we will serve the Lord."

Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
These are all part of the moral law you claim have been done away with. If they have---Jesus has no right to not let in the murderers or liars--nor those who take His name in vain nor adulterers, nor the covetous....If they have been done away with---no need to overcome anything.

BobRyan · Jan 19, 2019

Major1 said:
For about the 10th time...…..the Scriptures DO NOT say to worship on the SABBATH which YOU believe is Saturday. It is just not there!!!!!!!!

Yes it is -- read the scriptures.

It is a day of rest, and worship, and solemn assembly etc.

So then things like -
Like resting -- Ex 20:8-11
Like - solemn assembly Lev 23:1-3
Like - worship Is 66:23
Like - not getting side tracked to secular topics Isaiah 58:13
"worship Him who created the heavens and the earth" Rev 14:7

Bible details so incredibly obvious even your own sunday scholars admit to it.

Major1 said:
Blessing to you my friend! I have and will continue to pray for your understanding.

Thank you that is very kind of you. And I will continue to rely on the Word of God - even in areas that are so obvious that Bible scholars on both sides of this topic freely admit to them.

May I say to you just to make sure you understand that The Ten Commandments do not say anything about eternal life because the purpose of the Ten Commandments is not salvation.

They are written on the heart and mind under the NEW Covenant Jer 31:31-33 but they are not offering salvation by works. It is a result of the New Birth not the cause of it.

The point is that no matter how many times you declare that there is a Bible command to worship on Saturday...….THERE IS NO COMMAND TO DO SO!

Until you read the Bible where we see it in Lev 23:2-3 and in Isaiah 66:23. Bible details matter and on this point - it is soooo incredibly obvious that even your own sunday Bible scholars freely admit to this Bible detail.

The is "the easy part"

Ellen White's Sabbath in Eden is Not Biblical

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