Ellen White's Sabbath in Eden is Not Biblical

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grasping at straws?

It is your own sunday keeping group that admits to the Ex 20:11 Bible detail about Genesis 2:1-3 Sabbath in Eden.



Indeed and - that refutes the title and OP

I truly hate to keep saying this, but once again YOU are wrong and misinformed.

The Ten Commandments did not exist as a formal code of law until Moses.
YOU as an SDA haven't comprehended the fact that the word "Sabbath" is never found in the book of Genesis.

The first case of Sabbath keeping was in Exodus 16 at Mt. Sinai. Here Jehovah gave Moses the "Ten Commandments", for the first time in world history.

If the Ten commandments did not exist before Moses, then neither did the 4th commandment unless we find some command or example before Moses. The truth is that Adam never kept the Sabbath, nor did Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph or anyone in while in Egyptian bondage.


There is no record or even hint that anyone prior to Ex 16 kept the Sabbath: Yet the Patriarchs were instructed regarding:


  1. offerings: Gen 4:3-4
  2. Altars Gen 8:20
  3. Priests: Gen 14:18
  4. Tithes: Gen 14:20
  5. Circumcision: Gen 17:10
  6. Marriage: Gen 2:24 & Gen 34:9
  7. Why would God leave out the "all important" Sabbath command???
 
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Indeed as we saw here - Yesterday at 11:46 PM #154

How much of the OP do you want to see disproven?
What I was getting at is that if anyone wants to take on the challenge of this thread, it will be necessary to address the issues that were raised right at the start...not just try to show that 1) the SDA believes the same as some other churches or 2) that the Sabbath and/or the Law are mentioned in the Old Testament.
 
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What I was getting at is that if anyone wants to take on the challenge of this thread, it will be necessary to address the issues that were raised right at the start...not just try to show that 1)

Agreed. However as we both agree the non-SDA support and affirmation of the 7th day Sabbath in Eden that includes ,rest and worship (So then it applies to all mankind right from the start) - is more than sufficient to debunk both the title and the OP claim that only Ellen White would possibly know or teach this ... or only those who choose to honor the Bible Sabbath in its unbent form - could possibly know about that detail.

How is that not the entire point?

again from the OP near its concluding remarks
. In Genesis Nine, God strongly condemns the shedding of human blood, in other words, murder. But there is no Sabbath commandment.

Continuing her claims about Genesis, Ellen White says....

the OP is at war with the basic detail ... on the very point where both the Sunday and the Bible-Sabbath groups fully agree... then tries to blame it all on "Ellen White"
 
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What I was getting at is that if anyone wants to take on the challenge of this thread, it will be necessary to address the issues that were raised right at the start...not just try to show that 1)

Agreed. However as we both agree the non-SDA support and affirmation of the 7th day Sabbath in Eden that includes ,rest and worship (So then it applies to all mankind right from the start) - is more than sufficient to debunk both the title and the OP claim that only Ellen White would possibly know or teach this ... or only those who choose to honor the Bible Sabbath in its unbent form - could possibly know about that detail.

How is that not the entire point?

again from the OP near its concluding remarks
. In Genesis Nine, God strongly condemns the shedding of human blood, in other words, murder. But there is no Sabbath commandment.

Continuing her claims about Genesis, Ellen White says....

the OP is at war with the basic detail ... on the very point where both the Sunday and the Bible-Sabbath groups fully agree... then tries to blame it all on "Ellen White"

You wanted to know how to address the unanswered questions. If you don't choose to do so, you still got your answer and the location of the questions--just as was requested.

And I thank you.
 
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See the OP.

from the OP
Those who go to church on Saturday, or advocate Sabbath observance, often say that God ordained the Sabbath in the Ten Commandments. It is assumed that Christians are obligated to obey the Ten Commandments,

Albion said:
But you did make your point that Sabbatarians are not alone on that issue.

Indeed as we saw here - Yesterday at 11:46 PM #154

How much of the OP do you want to see disproven?

Exodus 35:3 prohibits lighting a cooking fire on the Sabbath. Yet Genesis gives the impression that Adam and Eve never used fire until they left Eden. While in Eden, Adam never hunted or killed an animal and Eve never cooked. No crop had ever been planted or harvested. How did they refrain from doing these things on the Sabbath if they never did them?

They did not have to kill an animal or plant crops to "gather manna" - but Ex 16 says not to go out and forage for food on the Sabbath either. Even the Sunday Scholarship Yesterday at 11:46 PM #154 as we saw - would not allow it.

It is a day of rest, and worship, and solemn assembly etc.

So then things like -
Like resting -- Ex 20:8-11
Like - solemn assembly Lev 23:1-3
Like - worship Is 66:23
Like - not getting side tracked to secular topics Isaiah 58:13
"worship Him who created the heavens and the earth" Rev 14:7

So you see, no matter what the Bible says about the Sabbath being nailed to the cross

hint: there is no "Sabbath is nailed to the cross" statement in actual scripture -- you just "Quoted you" -- did you think we just "would not notice"?? seriously??

, Adventists won't believe what the Bible says

Hmmm "you quote you" saying "the Sabbath was nailed to the cross" .. then claim your "quote of you" is scripture that Adventists are not believing?

seriously?? that's your argument?
 
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  1. Why is the universal record of history (75-500AD) 100% in unanimous agreement that Christians never kept the Sabbath (7th day) and have always worshipped on Sunday?
  2. Why is the universal record of history (75-500AD) 100% in unanimous agreement that Christians ate the Lord's Supper every Sunday in the tradition of Acts 20:7?
  3. Why is the universal record of history (75-500AD) 100% in unanimous agreement that Christians always called Sunday the Lord's Day because, they said, this was the day Jesus rose from the dead?

Hint
there is no 76 AD. "We don't keep the Sabbath"
there is no 76 AD. "It is ok to take God's name in vain"
there is no 76 AD. "don't have to worry about loving God with all your heart"
there is no 76 AD example of an apostle drinking a glass of water.

Who plays those sorts of games anyway?
 
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but Ex 16 says not to go out and forage for food on the Sabbath either. Even the Sunday Sch
Hint
there is no 76 AD. "We don't keep the Sabbath"
there is no 76 AD. "It is ok to take God's name in vain"
there is no 76 AD. "don't have to worry about loving God with all your heart"
there is no 76 AD example of an apostle drinking a glass of water.

Who plays those sorts of games anyway?

There is NO 76 AD??????

Doesn't 76 AD come right before 77 AD????

WHY don't you answer the questions posted to you instead of deflecting and being sarcastic????

Could it be that YOU can not answer these questions at all? Here are some more...…..

My dear friend, If every man from Adam to Moses kept the Sabbath, why is the Hebrew word for the weekly Sabbath found in the ten commandments, never found in the book of Genesis?

Why is no one before Moses ever being told to keep the Sabbath.

Why are there no examples of anyone keeping the Sabbath?

With all of the background and training that you have had in Advatism, these should be really easy to answer.
 
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Indeed as we saw here - Yesterday at 11:46 PM #154

How much of the OP do you want to see disproven?



They did not have to kill an animal or plant crops to "gather manna" - but Ex 16 says not to go out and forage for food on the Sabbath either. Even the Sunday Scholarship Yesterday at 11:46 PM #154 as we saw - would not allow it.

It is a day of rest, and worship, and solemn assembly etc.

So then things like -
Like resting -- Ex 20:8-11
Like - solemn assembly Lev 23:1-3
Like - worship Is 66:23
Like - not getting side tracked to secular topics Isaiah 58:13
"worship Him who created the heavens and the earth" Rev 14:7



hint: there is no "Sabbath is nailed to the cross" statement in actual scripture -- you just "Quoted you" -- did you think we just "would not notice"?? seriously??



Hmmm "you quote you" saying "the Sabbath was nailed to the cross" .. then claim your "quote of you" is scripture that Adventists are not believing?

seriously?? that's your argument?

Another 1/2 truth posted to distort and confuse just like you did with Isiah 66:23.

If Isa 66:23 teaches that we will keep the Jewish Sabbath in heaven, then it also teaches we will keep the Jewish New Moon festival in heaven! Both were nailed to the cross.

You said...……..
"there is no "Sabbath is nailed to the cross" statement in actual scripture -- you just "Quoted you" -- did you think we just "would not notice"?? seriously??"

The Bible says in Colossians 2:14 …….
Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross.
-17...……
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink [offerings], or in respect of an holyday [feast], or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

The first time any Jewish holy day is mentioned in scripture, it always lacks the definite article (a Sabbath). This powerful argument proves that the weekly Sabbath did not exist before Ex 16:23. What makes it irrefutable, is the fact that every Jewish Holy Day follows this same pattern!


My dear friend, just to show you how hypocritical the SDA denomination is allow me to say to YOU as a Seventh-day Adventist you falsely argue that since the Sabbath day is called holy then Christians must keep it.

Yet all of the Jewish Holy Days like Passover: Ex 12:14-17 were called "holy". According to Adventist logic, they should be practicing all the Jewish holy days. WHY don't you keep ALL Jewish holy days???????

But then there is Gal 4:10 which condemns the keeping of Jewish holy days!

What a pickle you have placed yourself in as a SDA! Care to try and answer this?????

AGAIN...…...The word SABBATH is never mentioned in the book of Genesis!!!!!!!!!
The first case of Sabbath keeping was in Exodus 16 at Mt. Sinai.
 
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Agreed. However as we both agree the non-SDA support and affirmation of the 7th day Sabbath in Eden that includes ,rest and worship (So then it applies to all mankind right from the start) - is more than sufficient to debunk both the title and the OP claim that only Ellen White would possibly know or teach this ... or only those who choose to honor the Bible Sabbath in its unbent form - could possibly know about that detail.

How is that not the entire point?

again from the OP near its concluding remarks


the OP is at war with the basic detail ... on the very point where both the Sunday and the Bible-Sabbath groups fully agree... then tries to blame it all on "Ellen White"



And I thank you.

For about the 10th time...…..the Scriptures DO NOT say to worship on the SABBATH which YOU believe is Saturday. It is just not there!!!!!!!!

AGAIN...…...if you want to do it.....then do it! But you can not judge or condeem Christians who then worship on Sunday as the Bible tells us.

The Ten Commandments prohibit doing any work on the Sabbath.
 
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Agreed. However as we both agree the non-SDA support and affirmation of the 7th day Sabbath in Eden that includes ,rest and worship (So then it applies to all mankind right from the start) - is more than sufficient to debunk both the title and the OP claim that only Ellen White would possibly know or teach this ….
I really wish you would not preface your posts by saying that I have agreed to something when I have not.
 
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  1. Why is the universal record of history (75-500AD) 100% in unanimous agreement that Christians never kept the Sabbath (7th day) and have always worshipped on Sunday?
  2. Why is the universal record of history (75-500AD) 100% in unanimous agreement that Christians ate the Lord's Supper every Sunday in the tradition of Acts 20:7?
  3. Why is the universal record of history (75-500AD) 100% in unanimous agreement that Christians always called Sunday the Lord's Day because, they said, this was the day Jesus rose from the dead?

Hint
there is no 76 AD. "We don't keep the Sabbath"
there is no 76 AD. "It is ok to take God's name in vain"
there is no 76 AD. "don't have to worry about loving God with all your heart"
there is no 76 AD example of an apostle drinking a glass of water.

Who plays those sorts of games anyway?

There is NO 76 AD??????
Doesn't 76 AD come right before 77 AD????

I did not say there is no "7" or "there is no "6" or there is no "76".. or ...
I said there is no 76 A.D. statement about not keeping Sabbath
or ok to take God's name in vain
or ok to not love God with all your heart
or ...

WHY don't you answer the point posted to you instead of deflecting ??
 
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Albion said:
But you did make your point that Sabbatarians are not alone on that issue.

Indeed as we saw here - Yesterday at 11:46 PM #154

I really wish you would not preface your posts by saying that I have agreed to something when I have not.

I usually post your own statement of agreement a few times then later I say "you agreed"
 
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See the OP.

from the OP
Those who go to church on Saturday, or advocate Sabbath observance, often say that God ordained the Sabbath in the Ten Commandments. It is assumed that Christians are obligated to obey the Ten Commandments,

Albion said:
But you did make your point that Sabbatarians are not alone on that issue.

Indeed as we saw here - Yesterday at 11:46 PM #154

How much of the OP do you want to see disproven?

If I had agreed, that would not be a problem.

less cryptic - more specific would be a good thing
 
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So you see, no matter what the Bible says about the Sabbath being nailed to the cross, Adventists won't believe what the Bible says if it contradicts their inspired prophet Ellen G. White. NOW that is the bottom line here.

You can search the whole bible from now to doomsday--there is no verse that says "The Sabbath was nailed to the cross."

  • Why is the universal record of history (75-500AD) 100% in unanimous agreement that Christians never kept the Sabbath (7th day) and have always worshipped on Sunday?
  • Why is the universal record of history (75-500AD) 100% in unanimous agreement that Christians ate the Lord's Supper every Sunday in the tradition of Acts 20:7?
  • Why is the universal record of history (75-500AD) 100% in unanimous agreement that Christians always called Sunday the Lord's Day because, they said, this was the day Jesus rose from the dead?
  • Why has no Sabbatarian every produced even one historical quote (75-500AD) that says Christians kept the Sabbath?

Totally wrong---
Again--the 7th day Baptists, since before they came to America in the 1600 from England, nor any of those others from the disciples on had EGW to tell them about the Sabbath--Nor did St. Patrick of Ireland or any of his converts, Nor did the Mutiny on the Bounty survivors in Pitcairn --they got it from the bible. You have been given the historical quotes from non-SDA sources all stating of the Sabbath being kept yet you totally ignore them. I am unable to do anything about what you do not read, ignoring the truth does not make it go away. Bury your head in the sand all you want--facts do not disappear.
 
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The Disciples Kept the Sabbath
85 Times in the book of Acts
There are many scriptures that verify the Sabbath day being the 7th day of the week. All throughout the 'New testament', the first day of the week is called "The first day of the week" and the 7th day of the week is called "The Sabbath". This fact alone should prove when the Sabbath truly is.

Acts 17:1 (NKJV) Now when they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where there was a synagogue of the Jews. Acts 17:2 Then Paul, as his custom was, went in to them, and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures, Acts 17:3 explaining and demonstrating that the Messiah had to suffer and rise again from the dead, and [saying], "This Yahushua whom I preach to you is the Messiah." Acts 17:4 And some of them were persuaded; and a great multitude of the devout Greeks, and not a few of the leading women, joined Paul and Silas.
Here we see that Paul went to a Sabbath service where there were both Jews and Greeks. The scripture also mentions that this was a regular custom of Paul. Was this also the custom of Yahushua the Messiah?
Luke 4:16 (NKJV) So He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read.
So here we can see that 22 years after Yahushua's death and resurrection the disciples were attending Sabbath services. In no place do we see Paul or any other disciple teaching them that they should come back the next day for a 'first day of the week' service. But they went to three Sabbath services where there were both Jews and Greeks present. So then the doctrine that says the Jews have their day (the 7th day) and the Gentiles have their day (the 1st day) is foreign to scripture.
Some would argue that Paul was at the synagogue only because that is where he would find people to witness to...not to observe the Sabbath. But the scripture does not say that. This is an assumption that those who refuse the simplicity of the scriptures want to make, not one that the scriptures support. Again, the Seventh Day is called "The Sabbath day" in this passage.
So lets see where we are at now..
Acts 13:13 (NKJV) Now when Paul and his party set sail from Paphos, they came to Perga in Pamphylia; and John, departing from them, returned to Jerusalem. Acts 13:14 But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day and sat down. Acts 13:15 And after the reading of the Law and the Prophets, the rulers of the synagogue sent to them, saying, "Men [and] brethren, if you have any word of exhortation for the people, say on."
So here is another example where Paul and the other disciples came to the Synagogue in Perga to attend the Sabbath Service.
Seventh day - 4 First day - 0
A little later in the chapter, after Paul shares Yahushua with them we see that the Gentiles were quite interested.
Acts 13:42 (NKJV) So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.
Now here is a perfect situation for Paul to tell these Gentiles "Hey just come back tomorrow, we keep the Sabbath on the first day now!" But we don't see this written anywhere in scripture.
Acts 13:43 Now when the congregation had broken up, many of the Jews and devout proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas, who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of Yahweh Acts 13:44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of Yahweh.
So here is the fifth time that the disciples attended a Sabbath service on the day that Yahweh sanctified at creation. Again, the seventh day is called "the Sabbath" in this passage.
Seventh day - 5 First day - 0
Here is another example in Acts 16...
Acts 16:11 (NKJV) Therefore, sailing from Troas, we ran a straight course to Samothrace, and the next [day] came to Neapolis, Acts 16:12 and from there to Philippi, which is the foremost city of that part of Macedonia, a colony. And we were staying in that city for some days. Acts 16:13 And on the Sabbath day we went out of the city to the riverside, where prayer was customarily made; and we sat down and spoke to the women who met [there].
It was the custom of the Jews of that day for the rabbi to shut down the synagogue if there were not at least 10 men that would show up for the Sabbath meeting. This could very well be why there were women meeting by the riverside for prayer. Nevertheless, we see that the disciples sought a place to meet for the Sabbath and they did. Again, the seventh day is called "the Sabbath Day" in this passage.
Seventh day - 6 First day - 0
Acts 18:1 (NKJV) After these things Paul departed from Athens and went to Corinth. Acts 18:2 And he found a certain Jew named Aquila, born in Pontus, who had recently come from Italy with his wife Priscilla (because Claudius had commanded all the Jews to depart from Rome); and he came to them. Acts 18:3 So, because he was of the same trade, he stayed with them and worked; for by occupation they were tentmakers. Acts 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.
So we see that he worked on the other days as a tentmaker...but on the Sabbath He was not. And here again we see that both Jews and Greeks are in the synagogue and on the Sabbath. Paul also is among them attending the Sabbath services. The interesting thing about this verse is that instead of the scripture saying that they attended only one or three sabbath services, it says that he was there every Sabbath persuading both Jews and Greeks. Again, the seventh day is called "the Sabbath" in this passage so we know that we can at least count one. Let's do that..
Seventh day - 7 First day - 0
Now if Paul was in Corinth and was reasoning in the synagogue every Sabbath, if we could find out how long he stayed in Corinth then we would know how many Sabbaths he actually attended. Let's look furthur..
Acts 18:5 (NKJV) When Silas and Timothy had come from Macedonia, Paul was compelled by the Spirit, and testified to the Jews [that] Yahushua [is] the Messiah. 6 But when they opposed him and blasphemed, he shook [his] garments and said to them, "Your blood [be] upon your [own] heads; I [am] clean. From now on I will go to the Gentiles." 7 And he departed from there and entered the house of a certain [man] named Justus, [one] who worshiped God, whose house was next door to the synagogue. 8 Then Crispus, the ruler of the synagogue, believed on the Master with all his household. And many of the Corinthians, hearing, believed and were baptized. 9 Now the Master spoke to Paul in the night by a vision, "Do not be afraid, but speak, and do not keep silent; 10 "for I am with you, and no one will attack you to hurt you; for I have many people in this city." 11 And he continued [there] a year and six months, teaching the word of God among them.
A year and six months! Finally the ruler of the synagogue was converted to Yahushua and Paul was there a year and six months! So the scripture says that Paul was there every Sabbath and that he was there for a year and six months. If we counted this by our present calendar that would give us 52 Sabbaths in a year plus 26 Sabbaths in the following six months which gives us a total of 78 Sabbaths! Now lets add this to our present total:
Seventh Day - 85 First day - 0
So we can see that the disciples observed the Sabbath and attended a Sabbath service 85 times in the book of acts alone! Again, the seventh day is called "the Sabbath" in this passage.
Now how many times do we see them meeting together on the first day? Some would cite one example in Acts 20. Let's examine the text...
Acts 20:6 (NKJV) But we sailed away from Philippi after the Days of Unleavened Bread, and in five days joined them at Troas, where we stayed seven days. Acts 20:7 Now on the first [day] of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul, ready to depart the next day, spoke to them and continued his message until midnight.
Here we see an example of the disciples gathering together on the first day of the week. There is no mention of a Sabbath being observed in this verse. Nowhere is this day called "The Sabbath". In fact, we know that Paul was ready to depart the next day. According to verse 7, Paul spoke to them a message because for this very reason.
Now some would say that coming together to 'break bread' constitutes a meeting that includes the observance of partaking in Yahushua's body. But this is not true...consider this verse:
Acts 2:44 (NKJV) Now all who believed were together, and had all things in common, 45 and sold their possessions and goods, and divided them among all, as anyone had need. 46 So continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they ate their food with gladness and simplicity of heart, 47 praising Yahweh and having favor with all the people. And Yahweh added to the assembly daily those who were being saved.
According to this scripture, breaking bread was not an uncommon thing to do on a daily basis. It was one of the customs in those days to eat their 'daily bread'. Even in Yahushua's prayer He said "Give us this day our daily bread".
So we cannot confirm that this scripture in Acts 20 is a Sabbath day observance. In fact, nowhere does it say that the first day of the week is the Sabbath. But the 7th day of the week is always called "the Sabbath" in the 'new testament.'
 
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"The primitive Christians did keep the Sabbath of the Jews;.therefore the Christians for a long time together, did keep their conventions on the Sabbath, in which some portion of the Law were read: and this continued till the time of the Laodicean council." The Whole Works of Jeremey Taylor, Vol. IX, p416 (R. Heber's Edition, Vol.XII, p.416)
"The ancient Christians were very careful in the observation of Saturday, or the seventh day..It is plain that all the Oriental churches, and the greatest part of the world, observed the Sabbath as a festival...Athanasius likewise tells us that they held religious assemblies on the Sabbath, not because they were infected with Judaism, but to worship [Yahushua], the [Master] of the Sabbath, Epiphanius says the same." Antiquities of the Christian Church, Vol. II, Book XX, chap. 3, Sec. 1, 66.1137, 1138
"Ambrose, the celebrated bishop of Milan, said that when he was in Milan he observed Saturday, but when in Rome observed Sunday. This gave rise to the proverb 'When you are in Rome, do as Rome does,' " Heylyn, The History of the Sabbath, 1613
Constantine later enforced keeping a Sabbath on the first day of the week, which he calls "the venerable day of the sun." Venerable means 'commanding respect'.
The text of Constantine's Sunday Law of 321 A.D. is:
"One the venerable day of the Sun let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed. In the country however persons engaged in agriculture may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits because it often happens that another day is not suitable for gain-sowing or vine planting; lest by neglecting the proper moment for such operations the bounty of heaven should be lost."
This doesn't even really sound like Yahweh's Sabbath which forbids any kind of work at all on His day!
Later, those who observed the Sabbath were persecuted and killed by the Catholic church. When the Jesuit St. Francis Xavier arrived in India he immediately requested to the pope to set up the Inquisition there.
"The Jewish wickedness" of which Xavier complained was evidently the Sabbath-keeping among those native Christians as we shall see in our next quotation. When one of these Sabbath-keeping Christians was taken by the Inquisition he was accused of having *Judaized*; which means having conformed to the ceremonies of the Mosaic Law; such as not eating pork, hare, fish without scales, of having attended the solemnization of the Sabbath." Account of the Inquisition at Goa, Dellon, p.56. London, 1815
"Of an hundred persons condemned to be burnt as Jews, there are scarcely four who profess that faith at their death; the rest exclaiming and protesting to their last gasp that they are Christians, and have been so during their whole lives." Ibid p.64
Today, some of the leading Baptists even have admitted that the Sunday Sabbath isn't in the scriptures:
"There was and is a commandment to keep holy the Sabbath day, but that Sabbath day was not on Sunday...It will be said, however, and with some show of triumph, that the Sabbath was transferred from the seventh to the first day of the week....where can the record of such a transaction be found? Not in the New Testament. Of course, I quite well know that Sunday did come into use in early Christian history as a religious day, as we learn from the Christian Fathers and other sources. But what a pity that it comes branded with the mark of paganism, and christened with the name of a sun god, when adopted and sanctioned by the papal apostasy, and bequeathed as a sacred legacy to Protestantism!" Dr. Edward Hiscox, author of The Baptist Manual
The Disciples Kept the Sabbath 85 Times in Acts

"The monks sent to England [in 596 A.D.] by Pope Gregory the Great soon came to see that the Celtic Church differed from theirs in many respects…Augustine himself [a Benedictine abbot]…held several conferences with the Christian Celts in order to accomplish the difficult task of their subjugation [submission] to Roman authority…The Celts permitted their priests to marry, the Romans forbade it. The Celts used a different mode of baptism [i.e., true baptism: immersion] from that of the Romans…The Celts held their own councils and enacted their own laws, independent of Rome. The Celts used a Latin Bible [i.e., the Itala] unlike the [Roman Catholic's Latin] Vulgate, and kept Saturday as a day of rest.” (A.C. Flick, The Rise of Medieval Church, p.236-327)
"It seems to have been customary in the Celtic churches of early times, in Ireland as well as Scotland, to keep Saturday, the Jewish Sabbath, as a day of rest from labor. They obeyed the fourth commandment literally upon the seventh day of the week." (James C. Moffatt, D. D.,The Church in Scotland, Philadelphia: 1882, p.140)
"In this latter instance they seemed to have followed a custom of which we find traces in the early monastic church of Ireland by which they held Saturday to be the Sabbath on which they rested from all their labours." (W.T. Skene, Adamnan Life of St. Columba, 1874, p.96)

"It is probable that the primitive Christians kept the Pasch on the 14th of Nisan as determined by the Jewish authorities, and regarded it as the anniversary of the crucifixion. ...The churches of the Roman province of Asia...followed the older custom, keeping the Pasch on the 14th of Nisan, whatever the day of the week." (James F. Kenney, The Sources for the Early History of Ireland, Vol.1, pp.211, 212; Columbia University Press, New York, 1929)
"...they ignorantly refuse to observe our Easter [Pascha] on which Christ was sacrificed, arguing that it should be observed with the Hebrew Passover on the fourteenth of the moon." (Bede, Historia Ecclesiastica, II, 19 wherein Bede quoted "Pope" John's words concerning the Celtic brethren)
 
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You can search the whole bible from now to doomsday--there is no verse that says "The Sabbath was nailed to the cross."



Totally wrong---
Again--the 7th day Baptists, since before they came to America in the 1600 from England, nor any of those others from the disciples on had EGW to tell them about the Sabbath--Nor did St. Patrick of Ireland or any of his converts, Nor did the Mutiny on the Bounty survivors in Pitcairn --they got it from the bible. You have been given the historical quotes from non-SDA sources all stating of the Sabbath being kept yet you totally ignore them. I am unable to do anything about what you do not read, ignoring the truth does not make it go away. Bury your head in the sand all you want--facts do not disappear.

I disagree completely.


Colossians 2:14-16 so clearly states the weekly Sabbath was nailed to cross and abolished that Sabbatarians are at a loss to know what to do with it!


Col. 2:14-16...…..
"Having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us and which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. When He had disarmed the rulers and authorities, He made a public display of them, having triumphed over them through Him. Therefore let no one act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day- things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ."


All Sabbatarians are taught by their pastors, the false argument that the Plural "sabbaton" in Col 2:16 cannot refer to weekly Sabbath day. But as we can clearly see, there are at least 5 other places where the plural is used of the weekly Sabbath. The deception is even worse, given the fact that while most Seventh-day Adventist pastors know about these other passages, they do not tell their people in the pews!


  1. Matthew 28:1, "Now after the Sabbath" [Greek- plural: sabbaton]
  2. Luke 4:16, "He entered the synagogue on the Sabbath" [Greek- plural: sabbaton]
  3. Acts 16:13, "And on the Sabbath day" [Greek- plural: sabbaton]
  4. Exodus 20:8 (in Septuagint) "Remember the Sabbath day" [Greek- plural: sabbaton]
  5. Leviticus 23:37-38 (in Septuagint) "besides those of the Sabbaths of the Lord" [Greek- plural: sabbaton]
 
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from the OP




Indeed as we saw here - Yesterday at 11:46 PM #154

How much of the OP do you want to see disproven?



less cryptic - more specific would be a good thing

The KJV translation of Colossians 2 verse 14 which we see, "handwriting of ordinances" refers to the various Mosaic rituals and ceremonial "ordinances" that largely ceased to have relevance after Christ died on the cross.

So if some law was nailed to the cross, it would have to be the ceremonial law, since the moral law was not made "void" by the cross as seen in Romans 3:31.
 
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