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Yes death is the cessation of life. When we die to self/the old man nature does self/old man nature die or does it continue to live?
The law works the wrath of God, it is spiritual, it is a ministration of death and it is a schoolmaster that leads us to Christ. These concepts seem to be beyond you.
Are you being deliberately obtuse or do you yet not understand? The death spoken of is spiritual not physical. a physical death was around a long time before Adam ate as can be seen by the dino's
YOU are the one who has to deal with that issue as you are the one that says a physical death did not enter into the world until Adam ate from the tree.
And I already explained the dust scenario to you.
Answer given in more then one way which tells me that which is spiritual is beyond you, you simply have no concept of spiritual things.
That was another attempt, said a different way to show what spiritual is.
Example: you have before you a red and black tile, I hold up the red tile and say this is not black what does that tell you?
Do you really not understand how one dies to self? Do you really believe all these things are just metaphors? If so Christ cannot manifest himself in you, for to show more of Him is to have less of YOU.
Yet you maintain a spirit is only a metaphor, thus you regulate God to nothing more then a metaphor.
Thus you have backed yourself into a corner and your rant above wont get you out of it.
God is NOT a metaphor, does not matter how much you seemingly want Him to be.
This is so far out in left field I can't even make sense of what you're saying any more. You make claims with no evidence and then argue as if they were facts. You've claimed this spiritual death yet won't define spiritual. You've not given one iota of proof of this spiritual death only your opinion from two passages of Scripture.
Now, we can deal with some facts. God said that when Adam ate from the tree he would die and said that that death was returning to dust. He didn't say that that death was going to another location, nor did He say that that death was a law. You're just making things up. Give us any evidence whatsoever that that death is anything other than what God said it was.
You've made this claim of a "spiritual death" yet you can give no evidence whatsoever. Can we see this spiritual death? Is there an example somewhere that we can witness it? What exactly is it that dies in this spiritual death? You can't give any proof. All you've got is a couple of passages from Scripture that you've misunderstood. That's not proof. Your opinion is not proof. You're interpretation is not proof.
As I said, there is no such thing as spiritual death. There is no wind death or breath death. That's what pneuma means, wind or breath. You won't find anything in the Scriptures that joins spiritual with death. It's like many other doctrines that Christians have made up over the last two thousand years. It comes from mixing Greek Philosophy and/or Gnosticism with Christianity. It's called Dualism and it's not even a Biblical doctrine.
We're also using different sources of authority. I'm using the Scriptures and you're apparently using something else. It's clear that Paul said that death entered through Adam. You say it was here before Adam.
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