How do we hear God's voice?

Dave L · Nov 25, 2018

Yarddog said:
And? That doesn't say that God has stopped speaking through his Holy Spirit. The scripture which Paul was speaking of is found in the Old Testament. The New Testament did not exist as scripture at that time.

Thoroughly furnished = nothing else provides what scripture provides.

Yarddog · Nov 25, 2018

Dave L said:
Thoroughly furnished = nothing else provides what scripture provides.

Stop adding to scripture. Paul is speaking of the OT writings not the books which became the NT. What is written as being inspired by God is not better than what God speaks.

16 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;
17 so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.[/n]

Dave L · Nov 25, 2018

Yarddog said:
Stop adding to scripture. Paul is speaking of the OT writings not the books which became the NT. What is written as being inspired by God is not better than what God speaks.

16 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;
17 so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.[/n]

The NT is scripture.

GTW27 · Nov 25, 2018

To those that are truly in Christ Jesus I say, Perhaps instead of arguing against that which is false, maybe we should all come together as one, and pray unto The Lord to give a vision of revelation in the night, to open the eyes of the blind. If He can do this to a muslim(and He has) can He not do it here? Can not our Faith in what we ask,(as One) overcome this unbelief, that has entered in through another door?" As touching any thing on earth" and "I will do it" applies here. "To He who has an ear, let him hear."

Dave L · Nov 25, 2018

GTW27 said:
To those that are truly in Christ Jesus I say, Perhaps instead of arguing against that which is false, maybe we should all come together as one, and pray unto The Lord to give a vision of revelation in the night, to open the eyes of the blind. If He can do this to a muslim(and He has) can He not do it here? Can not our Faith in what we ask,(as One) overcome this unbelief, that has entered in through another door?" As touching any thing on earth" and "I will do it" applies here. "To He who has an ear, let him hear."

We need the truth of the matter, not unity based on error.

Yarddog · Nov 25, 2018

Dave L said:
The NT is scripture.

It wasn't what Paul was speaking of though when he wrote to Timothy. His writings we're just as Barnaby's were but you add to scripture. Anything God says to his children is inspired.

1stcenturylady · Nov 25, 2018

Dave L said:
Sounds like a great book. The way I interpret the Lorraine story is in your prayer of faith predicting the future. You prayed, God provided the unshakable faith telling you the answer is on the way. You knew it was real and spoke before you saw it happen because of the faith he gave you. Not to be confused with WoF mentality.

When God spoke to me and told me L would have the biggest sale she'd ever had today, along with it came the supernatural gift of faith of 1 Corinthians 12. The faith to believe came after hearing God's voice speak those words. (WofF would have just made up their own mind to believe, like some chant - I don't believe in that method of trying to make God do their bidding.)

Dave L · Nov 25, 2018

Yarddog said:
It wasn't what Paul was speaking of though when he wrote to Timothy. His writings we're just as Barnaby's were but you add to scripture. Anything God says to his children is inspired.

Scripture is scripture and the apostles say each others writings are scripture.

1stcenturylady · Nov 25, 2018

Dave L said:
Thanks for sharing this! I wish I could read your book. A similar thing happened to me. A banker was furious that I would not press charges on the writer of a bounced check. After pounding his desk in protest, he wrote me a loan covering the amount of the check that I paid it off with my part time minimum wage job. About a year later the banker ended up doing 5 years in the federal pen....

I'd like to hear more of that story!

When it is published, it will be called "The Hidden Mystery Behind Faith." And another one in the series called "The Hidden Mystery Behind Grace." They will both be filled with my testimonies. (enough to fill two books!) The first one in the series, "The Hidden Mystery Behind Tongues" is already on Amazon.com and ebay.

Yarddog · Nov 25, 2018

Dave L said:
Scripture is scripture and the apostles say each others writings are scripture.

The Greek word translated as scripture means writings. The translators applied it to scripture when the writers were talking about what we now call scripture or inspired writing but at the time Paul wrote the verses which use to try and prove your thinking was about the OT writing. No where can you find in any biblical verse that says God stopped speaking to the Church when the last writer passed away.

Dave L · Nov 25, 2018

Yarddog said:
The Greek word translated as scripture means writings. The translators applied it to scripture when the writers were talking about what we now call scripture or inspired writing but at the time Paul wrote the verses which use to try and prove your thinking was about the OT writing. No where can you find in any biblical verse that says God stopped speaking to the Church when the last writer passed away.

The apostles called the NT writings scripture.

Dave L · Nov 25, 2018

1stcenturylady said:
I'd like to hear more of that story!

When it is published, it will be called "The Hidden Mystery Behind Faith." And another one in the series called "The Hidden Mystery Behind Grace." They will both be filled with my testimonies. (enough to fill two books!) The first one in the series, "The Hidden Mystery Behind Tongues" is already on Amazon.com and ebay.

I think "Tongues" were a sign of judgement to unbelieving Israel. Notice how God used it in the OT and how the Jews would have taken it.

“The Lord shall bring a nation against thee from far, from the end of the earth, as swift as the eagle flieth; a nation whose tongue thou shalt not understand;” (Deuteronomy 28:49) (KJV 1900)

“Lo, I will bring a nation upon you from far, O house of Israel, saith the Lord: it is a mighty nation, it is an ancient nation, a nation whose language thou knowest not, neither understandest what they say.” (Jeremiah 5:15) (KJV 1900)

“For with stammering lips and another tongue Will he speak to this people.” (Isaiah 28:11) (KJV 1900)

1stcenturylady · Nov 25, 2018

Dave L said:
I think "Tongues" were a sign of judgement to unbelieving Israel. Notice how God used it in the OT and how the Jews would have taken it.

“The Lord shall bring a nation against thee from far, from the end of the earth, as swift as the eagle flieth; a nation whose tongue thou shalt not understand;” (Deuteronomy 28:49) (KJV 1900)

“Lo, I will bring a nation upon you from far, O house of Israel, saith the Lord: it is a mighty nation, it is an ancient nation, a nation whose language thou knowest not, neither understandest what they say.” (Jeremiah 5:15) (KJV 1900)

“For with stammering lips and another tongue Will he speak to this people.” (Isaiah 28:11) (KJV 1900)

Yes, there was a sign to Israel of judgement. And this shows that tongues was the same type of sign, which should give us pause to disparage it.

Why do you think tongues is a sign to the unbeliever?

fhansen · Nov 25, 2018

Dave L said:
Sometimes when I was Charismatic I though I imagined God speaking to me. But when I took Paul's advice and began controlling my thoughts and imaginations, things got a lot quieter and peaceful within. I go only by scripture and I can stand on that.

fhansen said:

IMO the Pentecostal and Charisnatic movements have done a great deal of harm to the reputation of the real thing.

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And I'll still maintain, in any case, that there is a "real thing", and something which is probably never seen at a Church service BTW. Historically the Church has recognized the possibility, and, indeed, the actuality, of "private revelations". The Church has no need or reason to rule on their veracity since only the "public revelation", once and for all delivered to us via the incarnation of Jesus Christ, is considered crucial and takes absolute precedence. Any other insight or theory or teaching can never contradict or supersede that revelation.

And yet God can and does communicate with His people, and when those communications are direct and overt from the receiver's perspective, they are called private revelations. They are relatively rare, never given for trivial reasons but always for the purpose of advancing God's kingdom in some way or another, perhaps by encouraging, clarifying, sometimes giving specific instructions, all for God's purposes according to His wisdom, and at His discretion, not ours. He doesn't give them to those who would boast about them or try to use them for their own benefit or would bury them, unused at all. People who receive these experiences are very cautious about speaking about them in any case, knowing the various receptions they may be faced with. Often the experience isn't meant to be spoken of anyway but has the purpose of bolstering that particular person's faith and capability and willingness to serve in some manner.

They can be visions or "locutions", direct impressions or infusions of thought, but given word for word in the receiver's understood language. These latter experiences are profoundly different from ordinary communications with another person because they are received and known directly by the intellect; no sensory input is necessary. And yet they're exactly like communications between two people, in that the sense that we're being communicated to by another person, outside of ourselves, is absolute. The words and thoughts are simply not the receiver's words and thoughts; the awareness of the other's presence is inescapable. These are totally different in kind from dreams or hunches or wishful thinking, or from more common ways that God may communicate: by awakening us to a meaning of a Scripture verse, or giving us callings or urges and promptings and desires to help others, or to seek or serve Him in a new way, etc.

These private revelations may leave a person unable to remain standing because of the ineffable profundity of the experience and the awareness of Whose presence the receiver is in (a knowledge which is part and parcel of the experience itself). And yet, orchestrated by God as they are, they'll never occur at some inopportune or awkward moment.

Dave L · Nov 25, 2018

fhansen said:
And I'll still maintain, in any case, that there is a "real thing", and something which is probably never seen at a Church service BTW. Historically the Church has recognized the possibility, and, indeed, the actuality, of "private revelations". The Church has no need or reason to rule on their veracity since only the "public revelation", once and for all delivered to us via the incarnation of Jesus Christ, is considered crucial and takes absolute precedence. Any other insight or theory or teaching can never contradict or supersede that revelation.

And yet God can and does communicate with His people, and when those communications are direct and overt from the receiver's perspective, they are called private revelations. They are relatively rare, never given for trivial reasons but always for the purpose of advancing God's kingdom in some way or another, perhaps by encouraging, clarifying, sometimes giving specific instructions, all for God's purposes according to His wisdom, and at His discretion, not ours. He doesn't give them to those who would boast about them or try to use them for their own benefit or would bury them, unused at all. People who receive these experiences are very cautious about speaking about them any any case, knowing the various receptions they may be faced with. Often the experience isn't meant to be spoken of anyway but has the purpose of bolstering that particular person's faith and capability and willingness to serve in some manner.

They can be visions or "locutions", direct impressions or infusions of thought, but given word for word in the receiver's understood language. These latter experiences are profoundly different from ordinary communications with another person because they are received and known directly by the intellect; no sensory input is necessary. And yet they're exactly like communications between two people, in that the sense that we're being communicated to by another person, outside of ourselves, is absolute. The words and thoughts are simply not the receiver's words and thoughts; the awareness of the other's presence is inescapable. These are totally different in kind from dreams or hunches or wishful thinking, or from more common ways that God may communicate: by awakening us to a meaning of a Scripture verse, or giving us callings or urges and promptings and desires to help others, or to seek or serve Him in a new way, etc.

These private revelations may leave a person unable to remain standing because of the ineffable profundity of the experience and the awareness of Whose presence the receiver is in (a knowledge which is part and parcel of the experience itself). And yet, orchestrated by God as they are, they'll never occur at some inopportune or awkward moment.

Just that in Acts God spoke through angels, visions, and prophets. And if you look into these happenings, they were nothing like what people unwittingly claim today.

fhansen · Nov 25, 2018

Dave L said:
Just that in Acts God spoke through angels, visions, and prophets. And if you look into these happenings, they were nothing like what people unwittingly claim today.

I know all about what people wittingly and unwittingly claim. I know both.

God promised to pour out His Spirit and Jeremiah's New Coveneant prophecy speaks of a difference, where all will now know Him, from the least to the greatest. Whether or not those apply here, there is certainly Scriptural precedence where Peter and Paul, as examples, were given such direct personal experiences. And, again, a major difference with the New Covenant is that we will all know Him. This is a direct relationship or communion with God that begins with faith, in response to grace; faith, itself, being a supernatural gift.

We're not to merely know about God, in a strictly academic, indirect sense, but to know Him more immediately now, and then fully in the next life, 1 Cor 13:12. That's always been the ultimate purpose of our faith.

And I'll submit that this relationship can include these more direct communications for believers, again, at His discretion. And they've been testified to by many throughout church history. While we shouldn't be gullible or credulous about these things (healthy skepticism is very much in order, here, in fact), we also shouldn't limit God to preconceived notions.

And as with anything else, we shouldn't take another person's word for it, but do the research ourselves if interested.

Yarddog · Nov 25, 2018

Dave L said:
The apostles called the NT writings scripture.

The apostles, in the NT, called the OT scriptures the Greek word graphé, which means "a writing". As Strong's Concordance says: [The NT generally uses 1124 (graphḗ) for the Hebrew Scriptures (the OT) – but see also 2 Tim 3:16 and 2 Pet 3:16.
The two times in which the word graphé isn't specifically citing OT scripture still refers to those. But, this still has no bearing on what you claim, "Thoroughly furnished = nothing else provides what scripture provides." because in truth, NOTHING PROVIDES WHAT GOD PROVIDES HIS CHILDREN and in whatever means he chooses to provide it.

And, they didn't call their own letters scripture, they called them epistles or letters.

Dave L · Nov 25, 2018

Yarddog said:
The apostles, in the NT, called the OT scriptures the Greek word graphé, which means "a writing". As Strong's Concordance says: [The NT generally uses 1124 (graphḗ) for the Hebrew Scriptures (the OT) – but see also 2 Tim 3:16 and 2 Pet 3:16.
The two times in which the word graphé isn't specifically citing OT scripture still refers to those. But, this still has no bearing on what you claim, "Thoroughly furnished = nothing else provides what scripture provides." because in truth, NOTHING PROVIDES WHAT GOD PROVIDES HIS CHILDREN and in whatever means he chooses to provide it.

And, they didn't call their own letters scripture, they called them epistles or letters.

They called them scriptures. Use your concordance.

Francis Drake · Nov 25, 2018

Dave L said:
Are you sure it wasn't a hunch?

Hunch?
I guess you have to say that when your cessationist faith is in a distant silent god?

When my wife's car was stolen, she and I asked the Lord to get it back for us. The next day the Lord told me which street across town to go down to find the car, and you say it was just a hunch?

By that logic, all answers to prayer are nothing more than coincidence or good luck.

It was no hunch, I heard him speak not only of the road name, but the timing, and although I didn't mention it previously, there was a real sense of urgency to go and do it immediately.
Had I gone later, the thieves would have left the shop and driven off, and I wouldn't have been aware of anything.

You are so riddled with unbelief, I pity you. Until you repent of the evils of cessationism, you will remain in the dark and forever miss God's best for you.

Yarddog · Nov 25, 2018

Dave L said:
They called them scriptures. Use your concordance.

I used my concordance and they called OT writings scripture. They called their own writings letters or epistles usually.

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