Arizona Court of Appeals rules in favor of SS couple, based on SC Masterpiece ruling
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SilverBear
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So you can't change your orientation manning it isn't a choice of any kind and saying that people can and do change is just a lie....Thank you
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SilverBear
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it is the position you are supporting. but please feel free to play pretend about people being able to change orientations.That's literally the exact opposite of what I said. But if it makes you feel better, knock your rainbow socks off.
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It denies even voluntary school prayers, thereby vitiating the "free exercise" clause of the First Amendment.
No, it should be up to the students.
And that could be based on bad genes, just as if homosexuality were inborn, it could be based on bad genes. Or it could be based on a bad childhood with regard to the parent of the same sex as the homosexual.
No, for there is no the-end-justifies-the-means in Christianity (Romans 3:8).
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No, anyone can change his orientation from heterosexual to homosexual if he has no fear of hell. All he has to do is start practicing gay sex until he gets "broken in" until it becomes extremely pleasurable. Then he won't want to ever go back to mere heterosexuality, the pleasures of which he could say pale in comparison.
That is, people who do not fear hell can become "lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God" (2 Timothy 3:4).
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SilverBear
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Nope. a student can pray when ever he or she wishes
but that is avoiding the issue: i linked us to the SC ruling in Engler v Vitale. Please go ahead and show us all exactly where it says students are not allowed to pray in school
it is. a student can pray when he or she chooses
But it isn't. Pedophilia is directly linked to lesions in the white matter in specific brain sections of the amygdala, Lesions that form postnataly.
Pedophilia isn't inborn.
But it isn't
there is no evidence to support this.
so neither you or anyone else can change their orientation.
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do you have any idea just how idiotic this sounds?[/quote]
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Not since Engel.
For example, a valedictorian is forbidden to start her speech at a graduation with a prayer.
They could form postnatally based on bad genes, just as homosexuality could be based on bad genes.
For homosexuality is a sin (Romans 1:26-27), just as pedophilia is a sin (Luke 17:2).
None would be allowed to be published, under "political correctness".
Not without going to hell, in the case of changing to homosexuality.
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SilverBear
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that pushes the issue into forcing others to listen to or participate in that prayer, which is illegal and with good reason.
but neither are.
And it's really sad how you are trying so hard to cling to this false idea.
lying is a sin (Exodus 20:16, proverbs 19:9 etc.)
so neither you or anyone else can change their orientation.
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Sorry, there is no right not to have to listen to the free speech of others, which can include their prayers.
Also, there is no requirement of participation in the sense of having to say or agree to any part of anyone's prayer, which would be illegal.
Indeed, and "political correctness" is a terrible lie.
For it says that homosexuality and abortions are not sins, and that anyone who opposes them is evil.
It certainly can be done, but not without going to hell, in the case of changing to homosexuality. Also, homosexual Christians can certainly change their orientation to heterosexuality, as has been done many times, with the miraculous help of Jesus Christ (John 8:34-36).
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SilverBear
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its called coercion and you have the right to not have anyone else's religious views or practices pushed on you.
You stopped talking about prayer a long time ago and moved on to public displays for the sake of making a display.
"When you pray, don't be like the hypocrites who love to pray publicly on street corners and in the synagogues where everyone can see them. I tell you the truth, that is all the reward they will ever get." Matt 6:5
If you have to corner an audience so they can watch you prey, you aren't actually praying
you told the lie back in post #847 when you made false statements about research. so don't go moving the goalposts here, All the tactic does is show how your claims have nothing to back them up
no it says your beliefs are your own and it is the lies told about sexual orientation that are evil,
then show us all how easy it is
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It's not being pushed on you. It's simply being expressed.
That is, if someone is willing to listen to a valedictorian's speech, which could include some ideas that the listener disagrees with, then why not simply listen to a short prayer by the valedictorian preceding her speech?
Where is the harm?
Only bigots against religion would be offended.
Imagine that a school had its first Muslim valedictorian, and she wanted to say a short prayer of thanks to Allah before her speech.
Everyone who holds to "political correctness" would be overjoyed at this. For it would show "diversity" and "acceptance". "Tolerance" and "love".
But these are only for Islam.
For Biblical Christianity is vile and coercive under "political correctness". There can be no Biblical Christian prayers.
That depends on the motive.
For Jesus and His apostles sometimes prayed out in public (e.g. John 11:41, Acts 21:5).
Also, any public prayer by someone does not mean that there cannot be many more private prayers by that person.
Matthew 6:5 would refer to those who only pray in public, and only with the motive of being seen by others. Compare the "all" in Matthew 23:5.
No, it's clear that any research that began to undermine "political correctness" would be abandoned, as "flawed".
Do you really think that "political correctness" is based on science, instead of sinfulness?
No, the beliefs against homosexuality and abortions are from the Bible (Romans 1:26-27; Luke 1:15, Luke 1:41).
And the Bible is not evil (2 Timothy 3:15 to 4:4).
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