What think ye of Ezekiel's Temple?

LittleLambofJesus · Jul 8, 2018

gomerian said:
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This is one basket.
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This is another basket.

Reminds me of this interesting event:

Zechariah 5
5 Then the angel who talked with me came forward and said to me, “Lift your eyes and see what this is that is going out.”
6 And I said, “What is it?” He said, “This is the basketc that is going out.” And he said, “This is their iniquityd in all the land.” 7 And behold, the leaden cover was lifted, and there was a woman sitting in the basket!
8 And he said, “This is Wickedness.”
And he thrust her back into the basket, and thrust down the leaden weight on its opening.

9 Then I lifted my eyes and saw, and behold, two women coming forward! The wind was in their wings. They had wings like the wings of a stork, and they lifted up the basket between earth and heaven.
10 Then I said to the angel who talked with me, “Where are they taking the basket?”
11 He said to me, “To the land of Shinar, to build a house for it. And when this is prepared, they will set the basket down there on its base.”

gomerian · Jul 8, 2018

LittleLambofJesus said:
Reminds me of this interesting event:

Zechariah 5
5 Then the angel who talked with me came forward and said to me, “Lift your eyes and see what this is that is going out.”
6 And I said, “What is it?” He said, “This is the basketc that is going out.” And he said, “This is their iniquityd in all the land.” 7 And behold, the leaden cover was lifted, and there was a woman sitting in the basket!
8 And he said, “This is Wickedness.”
And he thrust her back into the basket, and thrust down the leaden weight on its opening.

9 Then I lifted my eyes and saw, and behold, two women coming forward! The wind was in their wings. They had wings like the wings of a stork, and they lifted up the basket between earth and heaven.
10 Then I said to the angel who talked with me, “Where are they taking the basket?”
11 He said to me, “To the land of Shinar, to build a house for it. And when this is prepared, they will set the basket down there on its base.”

That's Babylon... fixed that color problem for you... you'll thank me later.

keras · Jul 8, 2018

ebedmelech said:
If you need more...I have a lot more for you Keras.

Thanks Ebed, I just need to look around me to know the Kingdom of Jesus is not a reality yet.
Proved by: James 2:5, Matthew 8:11-12, Luke 19:11, +

BABerean2 · Jul 8, 2018

gomerian said:
Paul tells you there are two separate gospels, and that he
teaches gentiles. Luke travels with him, and so does Mark.

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.
Rom 1:17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, "THE JUST SHALL LIVE BY FAITH."

Gal 1:6 I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel,
Gal 1:7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ.
Gal 1:8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.

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ebedmelech · Jul 10, 2018

keras said:
Thanks Ebed, I just need to look around me to know the Kingdom of Jesus is not a reality yet.
Proved by: James 2:5, Matthew 8:11-12, Luke 19:11, +

Jesus is seated at the right hand of the Father but His kingdom is not a reality??? It's certainly not a reality on earth...that's why He's returning, but every believer is is a citizen of the kingdom right now!

That is the reality Keras or how could Revelation 1:6 say:
6 and He has made us to be a kingdom, priests to His God and Father—to Him be the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen.

Think on that one a while...because it clearly says it in the past tense...SO IT MUST BE!!!

keras · Jul 11, 2018

ebedmelech said:
Jesus is seated at the right hand of the Father but His kingdom is not a reality??? It's certainly not a reality on earth...that's why He's returning, but every believer is is a citizen of the kingdom right now!

Well, that's a change of tack.
We are citizens of the Kingdom, but it's not yet on earth. I agree with this, the Kingdom comes when Jesus Returns.

ebedmelech said:
6 and He has made us to be a kingdom, priests to His God and Father—to Him be the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen.

Think on that one a while...because it clearly says it in the past tense...SO IT MUST BE!!!

Past tense? .....made us to be a Kingdom..... That's a promise for the future. Proved by Isaiah 66:21, Revelation 5:9-10

BABerean2 · Jul 11, 2018

keras said:
Well, that's a change of tack.
We are citizens of the Kingdom, but it's not yet on earth. I agree with this, the Kingdom comes when Jesus Returns.

Past tense? .....made us to be a Kingdom..... That's a promise for the future. Proved by Isaiah 66:21, Revelation 5:9-10

Some aspect of the kingdom became a reality during the first century, based on the verse below.

Luk_11:20 But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.

Did He cast out devils during the first century?

Other aspects will not be complete until His Second Coming.

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ebedmelech · Jul 11, 2018

keras said:
Well, that's a change of tack.
We are citizens of the Kingdom, but it's not yet on earth. I agree with this, the Kingdom comes when Jesus Returns.

Past tense? .....made us to be a Kingdom..... That's a promise for the future. Proved by Isaiah 66:21, Revelation 5:9-10

One day you'll wake up to the fact that the spiritual is the reality Keras. There's no change of tack the minute one is saved they are in the kingdom. It doesn't matter that they're here on earth Keras.

I've never said the kingdom was on earth...I have said the kingdom is now. Are you denying that?

keras · Jul 11, 2018

ebedmelech said:
One day you'll wake up to the fact that the spiritual is the reality Keras.

Every time I wake up, I find I'm still on earth and in an increasingly creaky body.
The Spiritual world is in another dimension. Thinking it is the reality, puts

you in the category of a spiritualist.

ebedmelech said:
the minute one is saved they are in the kingdom

Our citizenship is recorded in heaven, Philippians 3:20, but never does the Bible say we go to live there.

ebedmelech said:
I've never said the kingdom was on earth...I have said the kingdom is now. Are you denying that?

This is rather unintelligible.
I do deny the Jesus is reigning as King on earth now. He will become King of the world when He Returns and every eye will see Him.

BABerean2 · Jul 12, 2018

keras said:
Our citizenship is recorded in heaven, Philippians 3:20, but never does the Bible say we go to live there.

2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2Pe 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Heb 11:15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
Heb 11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

Rev_3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

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keras · Jul 12, 2018

BABerean2 said:
the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

I shouldn't encourage your shouting at us. It is unnecessary and abrasive of you.

Is it too difficult for you to realize that Peter is prophesying about the NHNE of Revelation 21:1-7 ? That truth should be obvious. as the earth will be just as it is now, when Jesus Returns. He reigns on it for 1000 years, then; after the GWT Judgement, it is renovated.

ebedmelech · Jul 12, 2018

keras said:
Every time I wake up, I find I'm still on earth and in an increasingly creaky body.
The Spiritual world is in another dimension. Thinking it is the reality, puts

you in the category of a spiritualist.

No...it put's me in obedience to how I am to walk on earth... IN THE SPIRIT!!! I understand where my citizenship is...and it's not here.

keras said:
Our citizenship is recorded in heaven, Philippians 3:20, but never does the Bible say we go to live there.

Apparently you don't understand that. It says our citizenship IS IN HEAVEN. You might also try Ephesians 2:19-21. Know this...Heaven is in the presence of God is Keras. Try Revelation 21:1-4

keras said:
This is rather unintelligible.
I do deny the Jesus is reigning as King on earth now. He will become King of the world when He Returns and every eye will see Him.

So let's get this straight with this question...Christ is seated at the right hand of God and he told the disciples "All authority has been given to Me in heaven AND on earth"...but He doesn't reign?

BABerean2 · Jul 12, 2018

keras said:
I shouldn't encourage your shouting at us. It is unnecessary and abrasive of you.

Is it too difficult for you to realize that Peter is prophesying about the NHNE of Revelation 21:1-7 ? That truth should be obvious. as the earth will be just as it is now, when Jesus Returns. He reigns on it for 1000 years, then; after the GWT Judgement, it is renovated.

2Th 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
2Th 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
2Th 1:10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

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keras · Jul 13, 2018

ebedmelech said:
All authority has been given to Me in heaven AND on earth"...but He doesn't reign?

Jesus was given the authority, but He has yet to take it up. Plainly obvious to all but those who live in their own little world.

BABerean2 said:
when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,

Unnecessary highlighting. We are all fed up with posts like this.

Then 2 Thessalonians 1:10 goes on to say: Jesus will be revealed only to His people.
This proves the prophecy does not refer to the glorious Return. Your belief is wrong, is it possible for you to admit it?

Davy · Jul 13, 2018

ebedmelech said:
No...it put's me in obedience to how I am to walk on earth... IN THE SPIRIT!!! I understand where my citizenship is...and it's not here.

Apparently you don't understand that. It says our citizenship IS IN HEAVEN. You might also try Ephesians 2:19-21. Know this...Heaven is in the presence of God is Keras. Try Revelation 21:1-4

So let's get this straight with this question...Christ is seated at the right hand of God and he told the disciples "All authority has been given to Me in heaven AND on earth"...but He doesn't reign?

It simply means our citizenship is not of this 'present' world. The devil was given to rule today's kingdoms on earth (except where God does not allow it). See Luke 4 with Satan offering the kingdoms of this world to Jesus, as he said they were given him, which is true. The devil is still loose roaming the earth today, the kingdoms of this world not yet having become those of The Father and His Son (1 Peter 5:8; Revelation 11:15).

In the world to come, Jesus will sit upon the throne of David, reigning over the 12 tribes of Israel, the Church reigning with Him, on earth like Rev.5 reveals. David's throne is an earthly throne.

The new Jerusalem is coming down here, to earth. It's pointing to the heavenly dimension being joined in the same time and space with the earthly dimension. Afterall, Genesis 2 does show that God's Garden of Eden, which is now in Heaven with God, was once established upon this earth.

BABerean2 · Jul 14, 2018

Davy said:
In the world to come, Jesus will sit upon the throne of David, reigning over the 12 tribes of Israel, the Church reigning with Him, on earth like Rev.5 reveals. David's throne is an earthly throne.

The new Jerusalem is coming down here, to earth. It's pointing to the heavenly dimension being joined in the same time and space with the earthly dimension. Afterall, Genesis 2 does show that God's Garden of Eden, which is now in Heaven with God, was once established upon this earth.

Which earth?

Revelation chapter 5 is a scene in heaven.

We see the New Earth being described in the text below, before chapter 5.

Rev_3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

What did Paul say about our destination in the verse below?

Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

What did the author of the Book of Hebrews say below?

Heb 11:15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
Heb 11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

Why would you assume the word "earth" in Revelation 5 is not describing the New Heavens and the New Earth found in 2 Peter 3:10-13, which Peter says comes on "the day of the Lord", when He "comes as a thief"?

Christ returns "in flaming fire" in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, taking vengeance on those who do not know God.

Christ returns to judge the living in Matthew 25:31-46.

If you ignore all of the above maybe you can get the Premill doctrine to work.

The Premill doctrine is like a perpetual motion machine.
It works great on paper, as long as you ignore the basic laws of physics.
However, when you build it the truth can no longer be ignored.

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Davy · Jul 14, 2018

BABerean2 said:
Which earth?

Revelation chapter 5 is a scene in heaven.

We see the New Earth being described in the text below, before chapter 5.

Rev_3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

As long as there is a temple, then that is Millennial timing, not the new heavens and a new earth timing. Notice Rev.3:12 refers to being made a pillar in the temple of God. That is timing when God's house is established on earth for Christ's future Millennium reign. Below is a reference to the new heavens and a new earth timing:

Rev 21:22-23
22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
KJV

What did Paul say about our destination in the verse below?

Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

Paul in Galatians 4:25 was making comparisons of Jerusalem for today's present world, not in the world to come. When our Lord Jesus returns, that will begin some manifestations on earth in prep for the new heavens and a new earth. This is why there are Scriptures suggesting a change with the heavenly (rolled up as a scroll) also on the day of Jesus' coming. And per Ezekiel 47 and Revelation 22:14-15, we are shown God's River on earth again, which was once manifest on earth per Genesis 2 along with His Garden of Eden. That is where the tree of life is manifest next to, i.e., God's River that will flow out from the Millennium sanctuary of Ezekiel 47.

What did the author of the Book of Hebrews say below?

Heb 11:15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
Heb 11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

Likewise in that Hebrews 11 Scripture. It's a comparison for during this present world with Paradise having been moved to the Heavenly dimension where it still is now. But when Jesus returns, that will begin to change location, as shown with the tree of life and God's River back on earth in Ezekiel 47.

Why would you assume the word "earth" in Revelation 5 is not describing the New Heavens and the New Earth found in 2 Peter 3:10-13, which Peter says comes on "the day of the Lord", when He "comes as a thief"?

Christ returns "in flaming fire" in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, taking vengeance on those who do not know God.

Christ returns to judge the living in Matthew 25:31-46.

If you ignore all of the above maybe you can get the Premill doctrine to work.

The Premill doctrine is like a perpetual motion machine.
It works great on paper, as long as you ignore the basic laws of physics.
However, when you build it the truth can no longer be ignored.
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To deny that Jesus has a millennial reign on earth right after His return, which is prior to the new heavens and a new earth, means one must remove the 20th Chapter of the Book of Revelation. It took me a long time to understand how events in Revelation 21 & 22 weave together, because I had not yet understood the Millennium chapters of Ezekiel 40 thru 47.

And there is plenty enough New Testament Scripture declaring that our Lord Jesus MUST reign as King over all His enemies before delivering up the kingdom to The Father. 1 Corinthians 15:23-28 is one such Scripture. Until He delivers up the kingdom to The Father like Paul said, then the new heavens and a new earth timing is not yet.

BABerean2 · Jul 14, 2018

Davy said:
As long as there is a temple, then that is Millennial timing, not the new heavens and a new earth timing. Notice Rev.3:12 refers to being made a pillar in the temple of God. That is timing when God's house is established on earth for Christ's future Millennium reign. Below is a reference to the new heavens and a new earth timing:

Rev 21:22-23
22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.

That works only if you ignore the end of verse 22 above, which says that God and Christ are the temple, instead of a man-made temple.

You are also ignoring the fact that we are the temple stones in 1 Peter 2:4-10.

The only way to make the premill doctrine work is by claiming that the Book of Revelation is in chronological order, by ignoring "the time of the judgment of the dead" in Revelation 11:18.

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Davy · Jul 14, 2018

BABerean2 said:
That works only if you ignore the end of verse 22 above, which says that God and Christ are the temple, instead of a man-made temple.

You are also ignoring the fact that we are the temple stones in 1 Peter 2:4-10.

The Ezekiel temple (actually called God's house there, as Jesus also called it in John 14:2) is a hard proof of the time of Christ's future reign with a literal sanctuary on earth, especially since it shows God's River flowing out from under it with the tree of life established on each side of that River (Ezek.47). Zechariah 6:12-13 refers to Christ (The BRANCH) coming to build the temple and sit upon His throne. Daniel 9:24 in final also reveals the anointing of the most Holy, pointing to the cleansing of that future sanctuary in Jerusalem He will build (at His 2nd coming).

I am not ignoring the analogy Paul and Peter made about us being lively stones in the spiritual temple. Technically, that idea is actually related to Jesus' promise about the many mansions in God's HOUSE of John 14:2.

Pre-tribbers like to quote that John 14:2 Scripture about the many mansions in God's house, yet they don't understand our Lord Jesus was referring to the sanctuary in the Book of Ezekiel called God's house:

Ezek 47:1-2
47:1 Afterward he brought me again unto the door of the house; and, behold, waters issued out from under the threshold of the house eastward: for the forefront of the house stood toward the east, and the waters came down from under from the right side of the house, at the south side of the altar.

2 Then brought he me out of the way of the gate northward, and led me about the way without unto the utter gate by the way that looketh eastward; and, behold, there ran out waters on the right side.
KJV

The only way to make the premill doctrine work is by claiming that the Book of Revelation is in chronological order, by ignoring "the time of the judgment of the dead" in Revelation 11:18.
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That statement doesn't make sense.

The events of the "day of the Lord" and then Christ's rule over the nations with the rod of iron of the 1,000 years of Rev.20 hard seals the order, Christ's return, then His Millennial reign over the nations with a rod of iron.

You see, when our Lord Jesus appeared on earth the first time, He didn't come then to reign over the nations. He came to die on the cross. And God's Word in many Scriptures declare His return to then take reign, Rev.11 on the 7th trumpet even shows all the kingdoms of this world then becoming His and The Father's.

So it's not difficult at all to know that His return happens first, then His reign with a rod of iron over the nations, breaking them into pieces like Psalms 2 declares.

Jipsah · Jul 15, 2018

keras said:
Thanks Ebed, I just need to look around me to know the Kingdom of Jesus is not a reality yet.

"And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth." Matthew 28:18

What think ye of Ezekiel's Temple?

Hebrews 2:14.... Pesky Devil, git!

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