Image of the Beast

Danielwright2311 said:

Thanks for your reply though, I have read this a long time ago and use to think the same way till I started computer graphic design.

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I am a professional Graphic and Marketing Designer with BA degree, plus I once had an A+ certification. And I can assure you that your computer theory is not biblically based.

Douggg said:

Here is what the bible calls beasts, which the first beast in Revelation 13, his number is the number of a man - not Satan.

These are men, evil men, liars, called beasts. Is the first beast and second beasts in Revelation liars and evil? Is the first beast number not the number of the man?

Titus 1:12 One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.

In Daniel 7, beast represent kings.

Daniel 7:17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth. The first beast in Revelation 13 is the eighth king according to Revelation 17:11.

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A computer is numbered by man, programed, it does have the number of man, mans programing.

Yes, I also agree with men, and these men are part of the mark of the beast system and make the system from a counted computer data base that will determine who can buy or sell.

So the first beast has to be a king or kingdoms.

TribulationSigns said:

I am a professional Graphic and Marketing Designer with BA degree. And I can assure you that your computer theory is not biblically based.

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Then you make images come to life like me, you animate like me and rig bone set ups like me and use frame by frame animations like me?

If so then you are totally blind to truth.

The only way you or any one can make a image come to life is with a computer period. end of story.

Danielwright2311 said:

A computer is numbered by man, programed, it does have the number of man, mans programing.

Yes, I also agree with men, and these men are part of the mark of the beast system and make the system from a counted computer data base that will determine who can buy or sell.

So the first beast has to be a king or kingdoms.

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We are waiting for your explanation on how the computer as a beast will be thrown into Lake of fire ALIVE which means it will be alive forever.

Danielwright2311 said:

A person cant show images coming down from the sky in the view of all men
A person cant preform miracles like speaking like a dragon and making images come to life
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Thanks for your reply though, I have read this a long time ago and use to think the same way till I started computer graphic design.

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Its not images coming down out of the sky.The second beast makes fire come down out of heaven=missiles. BOOM.

Revelation 13:13 And the second beast performed great signs to cause even fire from heaven to come down to earth in the presence of the people.

TribulationSigns said:

We are waiting for your explanation on how the computer as a beast will be thrown into Lake of fire ALIVE which means it will be alive forever.

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I did not know I was asked this sorry.

Satan will be throne into the lake of fire, he is the devil not a computer.

The second beast is not Satan.

Danielwright2311 said:

Then you make images come to life like me, you animate like me and rig bone set ups like me and use frame by frame animations like me?

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Of course, animate with flash, image frame order animation with photoshop, render farm, etc.

Your point is?

If so then you are totally blind to truth.

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LOL and yet you offer no Scripture to support your nonsense.

The only way you or any one can make a image come to life is with a computer period. end of story.

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So, this is not considered as the image of the beast. Silly you.

shilohsfoal said:

Its not images coming down out of the sky.The second beast makes fire come down out of heaven=missiles. BOOM.

Revelation 13:13 And the second beast performed great signs to cause even fire from heaven to come down to earth in the presence of the people.

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It does not say that

it says in the site of all men, not presence, there is a difference to site and presents.

In my king James bible, it says this.

“He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men. And he deceives those who dwell on the earth by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast.”

So that he even makes, as it look like he did, not that he does.

He is deceiving people, it even says he is deceiving them.

So we know he does it in the site of men, big difference.

Danielwright2311 said:

I did not know I was asked this sorry.

Satan will be throne into the lake of fire, he is the devil not a computer.

The second beast is not Satan.

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Can't you read the Scripture?

Concerning the first beast and second beast (false prophet):

Revelation 19:19-20
[19] And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
[20] And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Concerning Satan:

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

And you still have not explained how the beast that you believe is a computer will be cast into the lake of fire "ALIVE". What made computer alive and keeping it alive in Lake of Fire? Do you even realize that the lake of fire is really spiritually that only can torment the souls, but a physical object like a computer? You have an idea what you are talking about with your theory about computers just cuz you happened to be an animator!

TribulationSigns said:

Of course, animate with flash, image frame order animation with photoshop, render farm, etc.

Your point is?



LOL and yet you offer no Scripture to support your nonsense.



So, this is not considered as the image of the beast. Silly you.

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My point is you make images come to life and this is the only way to do it, there is no other way.

TribulationSigns said:

Can't you read the Scripture?

Concerning the first beast and second beast (false prophet):

Revelation 19:19-20
[19] And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
[20] And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Concerning Satan:

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

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Yes, the first beast and Satan will be cast into the lake of fire.

Not the second beast and the first beast lol.

You dont even understand what you read no offence but if your going to debate me at least read it correctly.

Danielwright2311 said:

A person cant show images coming down from the sky in the view of all men

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There have to be a sufficient of live witnesses present as it takes place, for the event believable to the world remotely viewing the event.

If the seemingly miracles take place on the temple mount, that is a sufficient number of living in the immediate area of the city of Jerusalem witnessing it in person.

Danielwright2311 said:

A person cant preform miracles like speaking like a dragon and making images come to life

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speaking like a dragon is metaphoric, just meaning he is speaking Satan's words and using Satan's power as the source of being able to do the miracles.

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Danielwright2311 said:

My point is you make images come to life and this is the only way to do it, there is no other way.

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You are being silly! To create images to come to life as movie or video does not equal to "the power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak.."

Douggg said:

There have to be a sufficient of live persons witnesses the taking as it takes to people, for the event believable to the world remotely viewing the event.

If the seemingly miracles take place on the temple, that is a sufficient number of living in the immediate area of the city of Jerusalem witnessing it in person.

speaking like a dragon is metaphoric, just meaning he is speaking Satan's words and using Satan's power as the source of being able to do the miracles.

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But scripture does not say that , it says the beast that is made from the earth will make images come to life in the site of men and speak like a dragon.

And the only thing that does this is a computer.

You will never see any person doing this, trust me.

Danielwright2311 said:

Yes, the first beast and Satan will be cast into the lake of fire.

Not the second beast and the first beast lol.

You don't even understand what you read no offence but if your going to debate me at least read it correctly.

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No, it is YOU who can't read Scripture I quoted. All Satan, first beast, and the second beast (false prophet) will be thrown into lake of fire is what these quote is saying.

Now you need to explain how can a computer be thrown into lake of fire, alive?

TribulationSigns said:

You are being silly! To create images to come to life as movie or video does not equal to "the power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak.."

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That is what it is silly man, when you make images come to life you are giving power to that image with electricity. its the same thing.

He called it a beast as he had no idea what a computer was at the time so he had no choice but to call it a beast.

If you had a vison of a computer back then you also would think it was alive and a beast.

Computers are only 60 years old.

Danielwright2311 said:

But scripture does not say that , it says the beast that is made from the earth will make images come to life in the site of men and speak like a dragon.

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You have a typo. It is a sight, not site.

And the only thing that does this is a computer.

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No. It's not what God talked about in Revelation 13.

Danielwright2311 said:

It does not say that

it says in the site of all men, not presence, there is a difference to site and presents.

In my king James bible, it says this.

“He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men. And he deceives those who dwell on the earth by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast.”

So that he even makes, as it look like he did, not that he does.

He is deceiving people, it even says he is deceiving them.

So we know he does it in the site of men, big difference.

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Im taking a guess,your not familiar with Daniel 11 which is about the same time period and same events.

TribulationSigns said:

No, it is YOU who can't read Scripture I quoted. All Satan, first beast, and the second beast (false prophet) will be thrown into lake of fire is what these quote is saying.

Now you need to explain how can a computer be thrown into lake of fire, alive?

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No where does it say the second beast is the false profit, you are not correct at all.

No where in all the bible does it say the second beast is the false profit.

Danielwright2311 said:

So the first beast has to be a king or kingdoms.

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The first in beast represents both the man, the king, as well as his kingdom.

The composite nature of the beast of the lion, bear, leopard is just an indication that the beast's kingdom will have control of the former territories of those previous three kingdoms listed in Daniel 7.

Basically what it means is that the EU will be controlling all of the oil resources in the middle east, at that point in time with 42 months left in the 7 years..