The Bowls of Wrath - Key Detail in Daniel

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I am reading your posts, but I am not agreeing with what you say, and am in the process of showing you why you are wrong. But I seem to be pulling hen's teeth.

What is the name of the Messiah in blue - so everyone here can be well aware of what you teaching?

Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

If you don't have reading comprehension then what are we doing? You are asking a dumb question. I told you already, look it up and tell me what I told you. If you can't answer this question then you can't interpret scripture.
 
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If you don't have reading comprehension then what are we doing? You are asking a dumb question. I told you already, look it up and tell me what I told you. If you can't answer this question then you can't interpret scripture.
I have reading comprehension. But what I want is for you to say what the name of the messiah in that verse is directly. You went about it in an indirect manner - which doesn't show the folly of what you are claiming.

If what you are saying regarding Daniel 9:26 and the rest of Daniel 9 has any kind of merit, you would not hesitate to answer my question - saying directly what the name of the messiah is in blue.

Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
 
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I have reading comprehension. But what I want is for you to say what the name of the messiah in that verse is directly. You went about it in an indirect manner - which doesn't show the folly of what you are claiming.

If what you are saying regarding Daniel 9:26 and the rest of Daniel 9 has any kind of merit, you would not hesitate to answer my question - saying directly what the name of the messiah is in blue.

Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

I already told you! Go and look it up yourself. I didn't go about it two ways, I said it TWICE and you still won't listen.
 
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I already told you! Go and look it up yourself. I didn't go about it two ways, I said it TWICE and you still won't listen.
This is what I mean by your playing around. You want to play hide and seek.

What is the name of the Messiah in blue?

Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
 
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This is what I mean by your playing around. You want to play hide and seek.

What is the name of the Messiah in blue?

Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
Stop asking me! I've told you twice. You don't want to move forward and get to the knowledge of the truth, that's on you! But I'm not going to deal with someone who won't do their homework. I've told you twice! Go and read it and you tell me what I told you the answer. Sheesh.
 
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Then please explain who is the Prince of the covenant? It isn't the Christ because he hasn't returned yet. The Prince of the covenant is the first of the two witnesses. The Prince of the covenant is Melchizedek. So get the whole picture together. The Prince of the covenant is the commander who turns back the insolence of the king of the North. The Prince of the covenant is the Behemoth in Job and the antichrist is the Leviathan and they do battle. The Prince of the covenant is the first martyr of the antichrist and offers an example to all the saints so that they are strong enough to die for Yahshua.

Hello Kevin....are you suggesting the 70 weeks is yet to be fulfilled?
 
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Stop asking me! I've told you twice. You don't want to move forward and get to the knowledge of the truth, that's on you! But I'm not going to deal with someone who won't do their homework. I've told you twice! Go and read it and you tell me what I told you the answer. Sheesh.
You could have typed one word, the name of the messiah, in answering my question six posts or so ago, and we could move on to show your interpretation of Daniel 9 and Daniel 9:26-27, plus a multitude of other bible passages, is wrong.

One word. What is the name of the messiah in blue?

Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
 
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I didn't suggest it, I said that it refers to the third temple! So what does that mean?

I think it is possible that the 70 weeks is yet to be fulfilled which would mean that from the commandment to build the 3rd temple Jesus returns 490 years from the start date...
 
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I think it is possible that the 70 weeks is yet to be fulfilled which would mean that from the commandment to build the 3rd temple Jesus returns 490 years from the start date...

Right, give or take. No one knows the day or the hour but it appears we will know the year.
 
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fulfilled or completed ? Has any of the 70 weeks been fulfilled yet?

I'm thinking no ....that none of it is fulfilled ...".the messiah being cut off" may refer to a messiah of that day and not necessarily referring to Jesus first coming ...it may have been bad translation or a mistaken assumption that the entire prophecy describe Jesus first coming...
 
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I'm thinking no ....that none of it is fulfilled ...".the messiah being cut " may refer to a messiah of that day and not necessarily referring to Jesus first coming ...it may have been bad translation or a mistaken assumption that the entire prophecy describe Jesus first coming...

It most certainly can't describe the first coming at all. The continuity of the time is non-negotiable and is inherent to the nature of the truth of scripture: you can't pick and choose what is true about what it says: it's all true.

this negates possibility for it to be the first coming since it describes end times prophecy, so the whole thing is end times.
 
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Then please explain who is the Prince of the covenant? It isn't the Christ because he hasn't returned yet. The Prince of the covenant is the first of the two witnesses. The Prince of the covenant is Melchizedek. So get the whole picture together. The Prince of the covenant is the commander who turns back the insolence of the king of the North. The Prince of the covenant is the Behemoth in Job and the antichrist is the Leviathan and they do battle. The Prince of the covenant is the first martyr of the antichrist and offers an example to all the saints so that they are strong enough to die for Yahshua.

We know that there must be a holy place, because Jesus said the abomination would be standing there. Matthew 24:15 There is no 'holy place' at the present time, so one must be anointed - and it takes 70 weeks (literally 490 days) to make this happen.

Dan 8
9Out of one of them came a little horn, which grew exceedingly great toward the south, toward the east, and toward the glorious land. 10It grew great, even to the host of heaven. And some of the host and some of the stars it threw down to the ground and trampled on them. 11It became great, even as great as the Prince of the host. And the regular burnt offering was taken away from him, and the place of his sanctuary was overthrown. 12And a host will be given over to it together with the regular burnt offering because of transgression,b and it will throw truth to the ground, and it will act and prosper.

The 'wicked prince of Israel' is one of the 'princes to come' and he confirms the covenant & breaks the covenant in the middle of 1 week (7 days). This is the placing of the abomination of desolation - by the 'wicked prince of Israel. (start of 1335 days) (Dec 17/ 18, 2020, is the covenant, 3.5 days later is Dec 21, 2020)

Because of this 'transgression', God punishes Israel (Jerusalem) on the 10th of Tevet, the seige of Jerusalem by the little horn, Mystery Babylon (Ezekiel 24:1-2) (10 Tevet, aka Dec 25, 2020) (presumably the Vatican). This is the 'peace & safety then sudden destruction', the start of the 'great tribulation'. That's why Jesus tells people in Judea to flee when they see the abomination standing in the holy place, - God via Babylon is going to punish them for it.

that 'wicked prince of Israel' (Ezekiel 21:25) is anointed after 7 + 62 weeks (69 weeks) after the 70 years of desolations of Jerusalem (Daniel 9:2) (April 19/ 20, 2018 aka 5 Iyyar, 5778)

It takes 69 weeks to get the anointed one/ 'messiah' of John 5:43, then 70 weeks to get a holy place where the abomination statue can be placed. Then the 1 week covenant is made, with the abomination going in the holy place 3.5 days later, in the middle of the 7 days, the start of 1335 days.

Dan 9
24 “Seventy weeks are decreed about your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to put an end to sin, and to atone for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal both vision and prophet, and to anoint a most holy place.

[70 '7's means:
  • 70 '7 years/ ie '77' years with the '7' years going from the 70th anniversary of Jerusalem, Israel to the 77th anniversary on May 13, 2025
  • 70 times 7 years/ ie 490 years
  • 70 times 7 days/ ie 490 days

25 Know therefore and understand that from the going out of the word to restore and build Jerusalem to the coming of an anointed one, a prince, there shall be seven weeks. Then for sixty-two weeks it shall be built again with squares and moat, but in a troubled time.

[this is the 7th head of Satan]​

26 And after sixty-two weeks, an anointed one shall be cut off and shall have nothing. And the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. Its end shall come with a flood, and to the end there shall be war. Desolations are decreed.

[62 weeks later, this is where the 7th head receives his mortal head wound & resurrects. The 'prince to come' is the 8th head. Revelation 17:9-14]​

27 And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week, and in the middle of the '7' he shall put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator.”​

[It's not clear to me whether it is the 7th head or the 8th head that makes the 7 day covenant and places the abomination. If it is the 7th head, then the 8th head is the desolator (God's punishment for the abomination); if it is the 8th head that makes the covenant, then the false prophet is the desolator]​

there is a whole timeline for anyone interested in the signature link to 'sign of the son of man'.
 
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this negates possibility for it to be the first coming since it describes end times prophecy, so the whole thing is end times.
Since you don't recognize the 2000 year gaps so far between Jesus's first coming and Jesus's second coming.
 
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We know that there must be a holy place, because Jesus said the abomination would be standing there. Matthew 24:15 There is no 'holy place' at the present time, so one must be anointed - and it takes 70 weeks (literally 490 days) to make this happen.

Dan 8
9Out of one of them came a little horn, which grew exceedingly great toward the south, toward the east, and toward the glorious land. 10It grew great, even to the host of heaven. And some of the host and some of the stars it threw down to the ground and trampled on them. 11It became great, even as great as the Prince of the host. And the regular burnt offering was taken away from him, and the place of his sanctuary was overthrown. 12And a host will be given over to it together with the regular burnt offering because of transgression,b and it will throw truth to the ground, and it will act and prosper.

The 'wicked prince of Israel' is one of the 'princes to come' and he confirms the covenant & breaks the covenant in the middle of 1 week (7 days). This is the placing of the abomination of desolation - by the 'wicked prince of Israel. (start of 1335 days) (Dec 17/ 18, 2020, is the covenant, 3.5 days later is Dec 21, 2020)

Because of this 'transgression', God punishes Israel (Jerusalem) on the 10th of Tevet, the seige of Jerusalem by the little horn, Mystery Babylon (Ezekiel 24:1-2) (10 Tevet, aka Dec 25, 2020) (presumably the Vatican). This is the 'peace & safety then sudden destruction', the start of the 'great tribulation'. That's why Jesus tells people in Judea to flee when they see the abomination standing in the holy place, - God via Babylon is going to punish them for it.

that 'wicked prince of Israel' (Ezekiel 21:25) is anointed after 7 + 62 weeks (69 weeks) after the 70 years of desolations of Jerusalem (Daniel 9:2) (April 19/ 20, 2018 aka 5 Iyyar, 5778)

It takes 69 weeks to get the anointed one/ 'messiah' of John 5:43, then 70 weeks to get a holy place where the abomination statue can be placed. Then the 1 week covenant is made, with the abomination going in the holy place 3.5 days later, in the middle of the 7 days, the start of 1335 days.

Dan 9
24 “Seventy weeks are decreed about your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to put an end to sin, and to atone for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal both vision and prophet, and to anoint a most holy place.

[70 '7's means:
  • 70 '7 years/ ie '77' years with the '7' years going from the 70th anniversary of Jerusalem, Israel to the 77th anniversary on May 13, 2025
  • 70 times 7 years/ ie 490 years
  • 70 times 7 days/ ie 490 days
25 Know therefore and understand that from the going out of the word to restore and build Jerusalem to the coming of an anointed one, a prince, there shall be seven weeks. Then for sixty-two weeks it shall be built again with squares and moat, but in a troubled time.

[this is the 7th head of Satan]​
26 And after sixty-two weeks, an anointed one shall be cut off and shall have nothing. And the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. Its end shall come with a flood, and to the end there shall be war. Desolations are decreed.

[62 weeks later, this is where the 7th head receives his mortal head wound & resurrects. The 'prince to come' is the 8th head. Revelation 17:9-14]​
27 And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week, and in the middle of the '7' he shall put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator.”​

[It's not clear to me whether it is the 7th head or the 8th head that makes the 7 day covenant and places the abomination. If it is the 7th head, then the 8th head is the desolator (God's punishment for the abomination); if it is the 8th head that makes the covenant, then the false prophet is the desolator]​

there is a whole timeline for anyone interested in the signature link to 'sign of the son of man'.

Whoa hold up buddy, you are splicing past fulfilled scripture with future end times scripture. What has been fulfilled and what hasn't? You've got to split these two far away from each other and Ezekiel 21:25 is a word for the past Israel at the time of the deportation of Babylon.
 
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Right, give or take. No one knows the day or the hour but it appears we will know the year.

It may b that some will know the actual day as well we have the countdown to 2330 days from the beginning of the 2 witnesses ministry against anti Christ
 
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It most certainly can't describe the first coming at all. The continuity of the time is non-negotiable and is inherent to the nature of the truth of scripture: you can't pick and choose what is true about what it says: it's all true.

this negates possibility for it to be the first coming since it describes end times prophecy, so the whole thing is end times.

I hear ya...
 
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It may b that some will know the actual day as well we have the countdown to 2330 days from the beginning of the 2 witnesses ministry against anti Christ

No, the return of Christ is not bound to happen after the 490 years, but there is nothing left to happen but that, but it still remains that the return of Christ is not bound to it. Therefore, the 1335 days and all those things also do not tie the return of Christ.

As it says, no one will know the day or the hour. That is the overlying scripture which means none of these time frames are bound to his return.
 
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No, the return of Christ is not bound to happen after the 490 years, but there is nothing left to happen but that, but it still remains that the return of Christ is not bound to it. Therefore, the 1335 days and all those things also do not tie the return of Christ.

As it says, no one will know the day or the hour. That is the overlying scripture which means none of these time frames are bound to his return.


Hmmm...well will see...peace
 
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