Then I apologize if it appeared I have side tracked the conversation. That was not my intention. From my perspective, if we are talking about the generation that 'sees all these things', that would include not just the false messiahs, earthquakes, famines, persecution, but also the destruction of the temple and Jerusalem.
That's where many make wrong assumptions of what those Olivet signs are about. They are the Seals of Revelation 6. That's why the Seals follow the order of those signs Jesus gave upon the Mount of Olives, the very last one being that of His second coming. The Seals, Trumpets, and Vials are about signs for the final generation that will see Jesus' 2nd coming. Every generation since Christ's Apostles have looked for Jesus' return and have not seen it. It continues today.
Maybe I am misunderstand by what you mean of the 'meat'. From my perspective the meat of the 'this generation shall not pass until all THESE THINGS have happened, is the 'all these things that happen'. Was the temple destroyed during the generation of the disciples? Were there famines, earthquakes, wars and rumors of wars, persecutions, false messiahs during the generation of disciples?
If the answer is yes, then Jesus was talking about the generation in front of him.
The only sign one can allude to being fulfilled which Jesus gave there is the one about the destruction of the temple in 70 A.D. And even that 'not one stone atop another' is not fulfilled in the absolute, because there's still stones atop one another standing on today's Temple Mount, like the Dome of The Rock.
Famines, earthquakes, persecutions, and false Christs, wars and rumors of wars, have not yet stopped today. And it was the opposite... of wars and rumors of war that Jesus was pointing to about the end of this world, i.e., a time of peace, the "Peace and safety" Paul forewarned of in 1 Thess.5. That certainly didn't happen in the days of the Apostles, nor has it happened yet today. Wars are still going on.
Concerning false messiahs, the Jewish historian Josephus did report about their existing in that time, but that's not about the subject of the pseudo-Christos Jesus warned of in that Olivet Discourse. In Matthew 24:4-5 Jesus was warning of 'many' false ones coming that say they are Christ. But in Matthew 24:23-26 Jesus was being specific as to a singular
pseudochristos coming to work great signs and wonders that IF possible, would deceive even His very elect. No false messiah has ever come and done that yet; our Lord Jesus was pointing to the Antichrist that's to come at the end of this present world, the "another beast" of Rev.13:11 forward, the "man of sin" Paul pointed to in 2 Thess.2, etc. And the pope still doesn't fit that billing, even though the Reformers thought it was him.
I'm sorry, i don't quite understand. Did I not attempt to answer your questions in my post #271? I quoted your questions 1 and 2 and did respond to them.
I addressed it in post #271. Now you may not agree, but I did address it:
Well, you really didn't address the context of those Matt.24:33-34 verses about the generation that would see ALL those things, because all those signs you listed have not happened yet, especially the sign of Jesus' 2nd coming, which definitely... is still yet to occur today.
You listed:
"1.) wars and rumors of wars" - it's popular to leave off Jesus' last phrase in the Matt.24:6 verse, "but the end is not yet". That's the actual sign He was giving there, i.e., that the very end will be a time of world peace when all wars have stopped. Have all wars stopped today? No, obviously. That sign have never been fulfilled yet.
"2.) persectution" - this was fulfilled in the Apostle's day? No, of course not. Some of the worst persecutions in world history are going on against Christians in the far east, the middle east, and Africa at the hands of Islamic radicals. Jesus also gave in His Olivet Discourse with this sign, some brethren being delivered up to councils and the synagogue of Satan to give a Testimony by The Holy Spirit, an event that is especially set for the very end of this world per the Book of Joel involving the cloven tongue.
"3.) famines" - in the Book of Amos, God prophesied through Amos how in the last days there would be a famine, but not for bread, but for looking everywhere for the Word of God and not finding it (Amos 8). But are there still literal famines today? Definitely.
"4.) earthquakes" - these have been fulfilled today?? Afraid not. Just in my generation the number of earthquakes have increased, and that's while man has had the technology to detect them.
"5.) pestilence" - same with this, where earthquakes happen, there's famines and pestilence. Still with us in the world today. But Jesus gave these things in comparison to a time of trouble on earth so great that there will never be a time like it again. We haven't yet reached that level He was speaking of. It's still to come.
"6.) false messiahs/prophets" - this I already explained. One point further though: in 1 John 2:18 he mentioned the coming of the Antichrist, and that there already were 'many antichrists'. Jesus covered that point too with the contrast between Matt.24:6 and Matt.24:23-26. The many that would come saying they are Christ represents the "many antichrists". That's still on-going today. Mooney, et al have claimed to be Christ. But the latter Matt.24:23-26 verses is about a singular pseudo-Christ that's to work great signs and wonders powerful enough in deception that it would almost... deceive even Christ's own elect. That's the "man of sin" role Paul warned of in 2 Thess.2, a specific Antichrist coming at the end of this world. It's the 2nd beast of Rev.13:11 forward.
"7. Destruction of the temple/jerusalem" - this I've already covered. The Dome of the Rock still stands on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem today, showing the not one stone atop another was not fulfilled in absolute. One can use the 70 A.D. destruction to point fulfillment, but in context of the other signs, it's obvious it's really for a future fulfillment, especially seen when today's orthodox Jews in Jerusalem build the next temple for the end of this world, and start up old covenant sacrifices again.
"8.) Son of man coming on the clouds with power" - it's not just about His coming in the clouds; it's also about His GATHERING OF THE CHURCH. Have you been gathered to Him yet? No, of course not. His Church is STILL not gathered to Him today; He is yet to return to gather His Church, and He will. So obviously, this sign has never been fulfilled either.
Now the Matt.24:33-34 phrases about "all these things" having to be fulfilled in the generation that will see all of them, and that generation not passing until all is fulfilled, means all... of those signs have to be fulfilled in a single generation, and that generation will be the one which will see (experience) Jesus' second coming, because it's not only about physically 'seeing' Jesus come in the clouds, it's also about the gathering of His Church like He covered there. If one says we have already been gathered to Him today, then that is madness, and The Word of God is not in that person.