The Gog n Magog war will happen before the Tribulation

TribulationSigns said:

Ezekiel 38:2-4
[2] Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him,
[3] And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:
[4] And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords:

Revelation 20:7-9
[7] And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
[8] And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
[9] And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

The Gog and Magog of Ezekiel 38 and Revelation 20 are talking about the SAME SPIRITUAL WAR. It is not a physical war against national Israel in the Middle East like you believe. There will not be two wars separated by 7 or 1,000 years.

Gog and Magog are not symbols of Russia, Muslims, Iraq or African nations. This is the stuff of Jack Van Impe and other fanciful unbiblical prognosticators. No one who has done their homework in the bible would make such claims. Gog and Magog is a symbol of all the gentiles or nations of the world who assault the camp of saints. ...which is the Church all over the world (four quarters), not national Israel! It is the exact same nations of the world that God tells us WHY Satan was bound in the first place, so they would not be deceived (be saved). At the time of the end, however, Satan is loosed and those same nations that were prevented from being deceived, are then deceived. God is NOT talking about political nations. They were NOT prevented from destroying the political congregation of Israel, but the Church that was at Satan's binding, the Israel of God! Thus, being loosed, Satan proceeds to do what he was bound from doing for the millennial reign of the Kingdom on earth. It has nothing to do with political nations whether Israel or Russia, and it has nothing to do with physical weapons of warfare, famine or world leaders like you have dreamed of!

Revelation 20:7-9

• "And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
• And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
• And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them."

When you discover how Satan was bound so he couldn't deceive the Nations/Gentiles, then you will discover how when he is loosed he does deceive the Nations/Gentiles that they assault the camp of the saints. And the "camp of the saints" is not the political nation of Israel, but God's congregation, the Church, which is the ONLY SAINTS on the New Testament side of the cross. Selah! All these ideas about Russia, Libya, Africans, Muslims, or even National Israel is the sensationalist rhetoric of those who have very little understanding of scripture, its interpretation (which belongs to God) or prophesy.

Selah!

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What war you talking about?
Cant you show me just one verse that says anything about Gog being in a war?

phydaux said:

If you want to compare scripture with scripture, then let's take another look at the verse in Revelation 6:

Revelation 6:2

• "And I saw, and behold a White Horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer."

The rider is NOT named. The only thing we have to identify him is what he is carrying - A bow. Is Jesus ever depicted in scripture as carrying a bow? I'll save you some time - Nowhere in scripture is Jesus ever depicted carrying a bow.

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Really. Have you looked harder in Scripture?

Christ came conquering and to conquer, riding upon a white horse with a sword protruding from His mouth, and He fought

Psalms 45:2-6

• "Thou art fairer than the children of men: grace is poured into thy lips: therefore God hath blessed thee for ever.
• Gird thy sword upon thy thigh, O most mighty, with thy glory and thy majesty.
• And in thy majesty ride prosperously because of truth and meekness and righteousness; and thy right hand shall teach thee terrible things.
• Thine arrows are sharp in the heart of the king's enemies; whereby the people fall under thee.
• Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre."

Confirmed also that this spoke of Christ in Hebrews:

Hebrews 1:8

• "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom."

Are they talking about two different person? Of course not! That prophesy in Psalms spoke of a spiritual battle, spiritually men who were the enemies of the King were falling by the arrows of His bow. It wasn't a physical war against the people who fought against Jerusalem, but a spiritual one.

And we do know a verse that says Christ rides on a horse with a Bow to conquer. And we do know a verse which says that all those who have been made righteous in Christ are also riding upon white horses. In normal "exegesis" that would be called an open and shut case. Because the question becomes, "if Christ and His righteous are the only ones seen in scripture riding a white horse, why do some people insist that Satan rides a white horse?" ..good question which forever remains unanswered in a logical fashion. Thus, the words are just words.

Job 6:26

• "Do ye imagine to reprove words, and the speeches of one that is desperate, which are as wind?"

..Good question.

Is anyone else ever depicted in scripture as carrying a bow? Yes, one person is - Nimrod, the founder of the city of Babylon, is depicted as carrying a bow.

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Scripture, please.

shilohsfoal said:

What war you talking about?
Cant you show me just one verse that says anything about Gog being in a war?

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Try read the verses again in my previous posts that you quoted. Read slowly.

TribulationSigns said:

Try read the verses again in my previous posts that you quoted. Read slowly.

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As I said in my previous post.There is not a war.God providing food for the birds is not a war.

I just don't see the reasoning in placing the Ezekiel 38-39 account anywhere other than at(or close to) the middle of the 7-year tribulation.
One of the big arguments for placing it before or early on in the tribulation is based on the cleansing of the land and the 7 years of burning the weapons of war. However, there is nothing in the Scripture that would disagree with this cleanup occurring after the tribulation.
The first misconception is that immediately after Christ returns, suddenly all the damage is going to be undone to the effect that He's going to snap his fingers and everything is going to be cleaned up without any kind of a massive cleanup effort by those who remain alive and are allowed to enter His kingdom.
The second misconception is that the whole of Ezekiel 38-39 is an isolated event. However, some readers fail to realize it has a lot of things in common with Scripture found in Jeremiah 6, 50-51, Joel 2, etc. The excuse for separating and excluding Gog from those Scriptures is the typical "Gog isn't mentioned nor specified". The simple fact of the matter is Gog and his allies aren't the ones being specifically called out and addressed in those parallel Scriptures compared to Ezekiel 38-39, so I would not expect the same level of detail regarding them.
When one reads Ezekiel 38-39 carefully, they discover that it encompasses more than just a single battle, especially when you consider the sacrificial meal of mighty men and princes(plural) for the birds and wild animals.

Also consider the theme just prior to the start of the second half of the tribulation(i.e. the great tribulation). "Peace and safety" will be the mantra because many will believe the world has finally achieved it and will be blind to the sudden destruction that will come. I don't think it to be a small coincidence that Gog makes his move during a similar time when Israel will feel it is at peace and under no threat of invasion.

R. Hartono said:

Erdogan's Vision: Uniting an 'Army of Islam' to Destroy Israel in 10 Days
The Gog n Magog war of Ezekiel 38 will happen just be4 antichrist appearance in Israel as the "Messiah" which will begin the 70th week of Daniel,which is the final week/7 years Grief Tribulation as it will take 7 years for Israel to burn Gog's weapons after their defeat.
Eze 39:9... and they shall burn them with fire seven years.

We are currently watching how Israel is pushed by nations to accept the Two States Solutions and share Jerusalem with P.A.
Nobody can make the deal as it will be the antichrist's role.
Antichrist will make the 7 Years Peace Covenant between Israel and Arab enemies, then allowing the Temple rebuilt/worship and sacrifice, this end with the Abomination of Desolation at 3.5 years of tribulation.

The Temple will be allowed to be rebuilt after this war of Gog and Magog where the Arab nations as threats to Israel's existence will learn a massive defeat and then let the Temple be rebuilt besides the mosque as the symbol of 'peace'.
Revelation 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles:

The court is where the mosque now stands.

and Jerusalem will probably be made an Int'l city of 'Peace' by UN to avoid disputes over it
(Rev 11:2...and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months)

A new leader may rise from turmoil in the US, Russia and China (or from wars between them) as part of the 10 horns to give authority to Antichrist via the U.N. so he will have no rivals and allow him to become a one-world 'Peace Leader' (dictator)
Rev 17:12 "The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet begun to rule, but who will be given authority to rule as kings for one hour with the beast"

The Jews' Messiah might actually be a different person than antichrist, he can play the role of the False Prophet spoken of in Revelation,and he will be the executioner (2nd beast of Rev. 13) for those who resist to worship the beast and rcv its mark.

Antichrist will recover from a deadly wound which could be an assasination attempt against his effort to make Jerusalem an int'l city.
Rev 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

Antichrist cannot make the 7 years peace covenant before the 1st seal is opened where he will be empowered to make peace.
Dan 8:25....and by peace shall destroy many..(conquering the world by peace)
Rev 6:2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

Because antichrist is restrained now until the Holy Spirit is removed with the church
2 Thes 2:7 For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the One who now holds it back will continue to do so till He is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will slay with the breath of His mouth and abolish by the majesty of His arrival.

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Well let's look at our current reality USA ..a country that purports to be "christian" gives Israel 400 million in military aid per year but Israel is no wise loving her enemies as the Jesus which I know has instructed us to ..Maybe Israel is already following a type of antichrist .

NeedyFollower said:

Well let's look at our current reality USA ..a country that purports to be "christian" gives Israel 400 million in military aid per year but Israel is no wise loving her enemies as the Jesus which I know has instructed us to ..Maybe Israel is already following a type of antichrist .

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"I will bless them that bless thee and cure them that curse thee."

Supporting Israel is just about all the USA has going for it, IMO. Scripture says that every nation will turn against Israel, so we know that at some point the support of the USA for Israel will stop. IMO at that point it will all come crashing down for us as a nation.

Waterwerx said:

I just don't see the reasoning in placing the Ezekiel 38-39 account anywhere other than at(or close to) the middle of the 7-year tribulation.
One of the big arguments for placing it before or early on in the tribulation is based on the cleansing of the land and the 7 years of burning the weapons of war. However, there is nothing in the Scripture that would disagree with this cleanup occurring after the tribulation.
The first misconception is that immediately after Christ returns, suddenly all the damage is going to be undone to the effect that He's going to snap his fingers and everything is going to be cleaned up without any kind of a massive cleanup effort by those who remain alive and are allowed to enter His kingdom.
The second misconception is that the whole of Ezekiel 38-39 is an isolated event. However, some readers fail to realize it has a lot of things in common with Scripture found in Jeremiah 6, 50-51, Joel 2, etc. The excuse for separating and excluding Gog from those Scriptures is the typical "Gog isn't mentioned nor specified". The simple fact of the matter is Gog and his allies aren't the ones being specifically called out and addressed in those parallel Scriptures compared to Ezekiel 38-39, so I would not expect the same level of detail regarding them.
When one reads Ezekiel 38-39 carefully, they discover that it encompasses more than just a single battle, especially when you consider the sacrificial meal of mighty men and princes(plural) for the birds and wild animals.

Also consider the theme just prior to the start of the second half of the tribulation(i.e. the great tribulation). "Peace and safety" will be the mantra because many will believe the world has finally achieved it and will be blind to the sudden destruction that will come. I don't think it to be a small coincidence that Gog makes his move during a similar time when Israel will feel it is at peace and under no threat of invasion.

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Did you purposely not mention when the word of God said Gog would iinvade israel or are you simply unaware of the timing our Lord has given,us for this invasion?

NeedyFollower said:

Well let's look at our current reality USA ..a country that purports to be "christian" gives Israel 400 million in military aid per year but Israel is no wise loving her enemies as the Jesus which I know has instructed us to ..Maybe Israel is already following a type of antichrist .

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An Antichrist is someone who denys Jesus as being the messiah.According to john an Antichrist says Jesus is not to Christ.
2 percent of Israels population is christian .Much of Israel isnt religiousbut the majority of those who reject Jesus and claim the messiah hasn't come making them,Antichrist.

phydaux said:

"I will bless them that bless thee and cure them that curse thee."

Supporting Israel is just about all the USA has going for it, IMO. Scripture says that every nation will turn against Israel, so we know that at some point the support of the USA for Israel will stop. IMO at that point it will all come crashing down for us as a nation.

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The verse you quoted is about Christ ,not the nation state of Israel.

I will bless them,that bless thee(Christ)and i will curse those who curse thee( Christ ) .
I
Matthew 10:32 KJV: Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
Matthew 10:33 KJV: But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

These verses ARE about the Nation of Israel


Number 24:9 "He couched, he lay down as a lion, and as a great lion: who shall stir him up? Blessed [is] he that blesseth thee, and cursed [is] he that curseth thee."

“Blessed is he that blesseth thee”: These words refer to (Gen. 12:3). The ultimate fulfillment of the Abrahamic Covenant centers around the coming Messiah. It is the one who blesses Israel who will ultimately reap God’s blessing in the future.

Gen 12:2-3 "And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:" "And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed."

This is a renewing of that very same blessing. He is at rest, and lies down a strong nation; strong as the lion. Jesus said the same thing in the following verse.


Gen 12
The Lord had said to Abram, “Go from your country, your people and your father’s household to the land I will show you.

2 “I will make you into a great nation,
and I will bless you;
I will make your name great,
and you will be a blessing.
3 I will bless those who bless you,
and whoever curses you I will curse;
and all peoples on earth
will be blessed through you.

These verses ARE about the Nation of Israel

shilohsfoal said:

The verse you quoted is about Christ ,not the nation state of Israel.

I will bless them,that bless thee(Christ)and i will curse those who curse thee( Christ ) .
I
Matthew 10:32 KJV: Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
Matthew 10:33 KJV: But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

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Genesis 22:18 KJV: And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.

It is through the seed of Abraham,all nations are blessed


Galatians 3:16 The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say "and to seeds," meaning many people, but "and to your seed," meaning one person, who is Christ.

seventysevens said:

These verses ARE about the Nation of Israel


Number 24:9 "He couched, he lay down as a lion, and as a great lion: who shall stir him up? Blessed [is] he that blesseth thee, and cursed [is] he that curseth thee."

“Blessed is he that blesseth thee”: These words refer to (Gen. 12:3). The ultimate fulfillment of the Abrahamic Covenant centers around the coming Messiah. It is the one who blesses Israel who will ultimately reap God’s blessing in the future.

Gen 12:2-3 "And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:" "And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed."

This is a renewing of that very same blessing. He is at rest, and lies down a strong nation; strong as the lion. Jesus said the same thing in the following verse.


Gen 12
The Lord had said to Abram, “Go from your country, your people and your father’s household to the land I will show you.

2 “I will make you into a great nation,
and I will bless you;
I will make your name great,
and you will be a blessing.
3 I will bless those who bless you,
and whoever curses you I will curse;
and all peoples on earth
will be blessed through you.

These verses ARE about the Nation of Israel

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The Romans cursed and killed many in Israel.God then,sent the apostles to preach the gospel to the Romans and many of the Romans were saved.God gave even the Romans who believes In Jesus his holy spirit.

And you belive tthose Romans were blessed with the spirit of God because of the nation state if Israel?lol

“Go from your country, your people and your father’s household to the land I will show you.

2 “I will make you into a great nation,
and I will bless you;
I will make your name great,
and you will be a blessing.
3 I will bless those who bless you,
and whoever curses you I will curse;
and all peoples on earth
will be blessed through you.

This is God outright stating to Abraham That he will bless ALL people

The seed of Abraham IS Jacob
According to the Book of Genesis, Jacob was the third Hebrew progenitor with whom God made a covenant. He is the son of Isaac and Rebecca, the grandson of Abraham, Sarah and Bethuel, the nephew of Ishmael, and the younger twin brother of Esau. ...
The twelve sons became the progenitors of the "Tribes of Israel"

Jacob whose name was changed from Jacob to Israel -By God himself
the seed of Abraham IS Israel no way to get around it it is Fact
Israel became a nation

though with all the posts you make in a negative manner about Netanyahu being some evil ruler , I realize you will seek to find some way to interpret it falsely to fit your false narrative

like it or not

I will bless those who bless you,
and whoever curses you I will curse;
and all peoples on earth
will be blessed through you.

Is all about the nation of Israel

shilohsfoal said:

Genesis 22:18 KJV: And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.

It is through the seed of Abraham,all nations are blessed


Galatians 3:16 The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say "and to seeds," meaning many people, but "and to your seed," meaning one person, who is Christ.

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seventysevens said:

“Go from your country, your people and your father’s household to the land I will show you.

2 “I will make you into a great nation,
and I will bless you;
I will make your name great,
and you will be a blessing.
3 I will bless those who bless you,
and whoever curses you I will curse;
and all peoples on earth
will be blessed through you.

This is God outright stating to Abraham That he will bless ALL people

The seed of Abraham IS Jacob
According to the Book of Genesis, Jacob was the third Hebrew progenitor with whom God made a covenant. He is the son of Isaac and Rebecca, the grandson of Abraham, Sarah and Bethuel, the nephew of Ishmael, and the younger twin brother of Esau. ...
The twelve sons became the progenitors of the "Tribes of Israel"

Jacob whose name was changed from Jacob to Israel -By God himself
the seed of Abraham IS Israel no way to get around it it is Fact
Israel became a nation

though with all the posts you make in a negative manner about Netanyahu being some evil ruler , I realize you will seek to find some way to interpret it falsely to fit your false narrative

like it or not

I will bless those who bless you,
and whoever curses you I will curse;
and all peoples on earth
will be blessed through you.

Is all about the nation of Israel

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So you are saying the apostle Paul is wrong and you are right?
Did Christ send you with this message preaching that he is not the seed of Abraham?



Galatians 3:16 The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say "and to seeds," meaning many people, but "and to your seed," meaning one person, who is Christ.

It is you that is wrong in your understanding ,

Gen 12
The Lord had said to Abram, “Go from your country, your people and your father’s household to the land I will show you.

2 “I will make you into a great nation,
and I will bless you;
I will make your name great,
and you will be a blessing.
3 I will bless those who bless you,
and whoever curses you I will curse;
and all peoples on earth
will be blessed through you.

I don't have time now to explain it to you - but you need to understand who the seed is and how all the people on earth will be blessed - Israel will remain For Eternity as well as Jerusalem will remain for eternity as s direct result of this promise

Question: "Why does God refer to Himself as the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob?"

Answer: In about a dozen places in the Bible, the Lord God is referred to as the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (e.g., Genesis 50:24; Exodus 3:15; Acts 7:32). This name of God emphasizes the covenant that God made with Israel and the Israelites’ special place as God’s Chosen People.

God repeated the Abrahamic Covenant to three different generations: Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob were all given the promise of land, many descendants, and blessing. The Lord first calls Abram out of Ur of the Chaldees to the land of Canaan, establishing a covenant with him (Genesis 12:1–3). God reaffirms the same covenant with Abraham’s son, Isaac (Genesis 21:12; 26:3–4), and later with Isaac’s son, Jacob (Genesis 28:14–15). The Lord who established and ratified this covenant is rightly called the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

When God revealed Himself to Moses in preparation for bringing His people out of Egypt, He called Himself “the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob” in Exodus 3:15. He also instructed Moses to identify the Lord by that name when speaking to the Israelites (verse 16). In this case, the name carries a couple of important implications. First, when God identifies Himself as the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, He clearly distinguishes Himself from the gods of Egypt in whose land the Israelites dwelt. Second, the reference to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob implies a reason for the exodus: the promise of land. God had vowed that the children of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob would inherit a certain geographical area. God’s faithfulness and Israel’s blessing were directly tied to Israel’s possession of the Promised Land, and the name God uses for Himself harkens back to the covenant with Abraham.

Jesus alluded to God’s burning-bush appearance to Moses and used God’s name to teach a lesson on the resurrection to the Sadducees: “About the resurrection of the dead—have you not read what God said to you, ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? He is not the God of the dead but of the living” (Matthew 22:31–32). As Jesus points out, the verb am is in the present tense; God did not say, “I was the God of your fathers.” He said, “I am their God,” showing that Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob were still alive (in heaven) in Moses’ day.

In Acts 3, as Peter preaches to the Jews in the temple, he refers to the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, a name that his hearers would have commonly used in their worship. Peter and John had just healed a lame man, who was now standing before them. Peter attributes the miracle to the power of the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, working through Jesus. In other words, Peter was careful to link the miracle they had just witnessed to the one and only God of their fathers. The same God who spoke to the patriarchs was at work in their midst, and Jesus should get the glory.

In explaining the miracle of a lame man walking, Peter also sets up a bold contrast: “The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus. You handed him over to be killed, and you disowned him before Pilate” (Acts 3:13). The God whom the Jews purported to revere treated Jesus of Nazareth much differently than they had: God glorified Jesus, and they killed Him. Peter hammers home the contrast in verse 15: “You killed the author of life, but God raised him from the dead.” As he closes the sermon, Peter reminds his hearers that the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob was fulfilling His covenant with them: “You are heirs of the prophets and of the covenant God made with your fathers” (verse 25). Many Jews believed in Christ that day, but Peter and John were thrown in jail (Acts 4:1–4).

The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob has plan for the ages involving a Savior who provides forgiveness of sins and reconciliation with God. That plan was set in motion when God called Abram and blessed him, and that plan was brought to fulfillment when Jesus died and rose again. Through the seed of Abraham, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob blessed all the nations of the world.

shilohsfoal said:

So you are saying the apostle Paul is wrong and you are right?
Did Christ send you with this message preaching that he is not the seed of Abraham?



Galatians 3:16 The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say "and to seeds," meaning many people, but "and to your seed," meaning one person, who is Christ.

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TribulationSigns said:

Likewise with Persia, Ethiopia, Libya, Meshech and Tubal, etc. of Ezekiel 38. These were the natural enemies of Israel of Old, but they are only a figure or a type of an enemy for the New Testament Congregation of Isreal prior to Second Coming.

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The failed "Church has become Israel" doctrine - at work. It's everywhere, it seems.

seventysevens said:

It is you that is wrong in your understanding ,

Gen 12
The Lord had said to Abram, “Go from your country, your people and your father’s household to the land I will show you.

2 “I will make you into a great nation,
and I will bless you;
I will make your name great,
and you will be a blessing.
3 I will bless those who bless you,
and whoever curses you I will curse;
and all peoples on earth
will be blessed through you.

I don't have time now to explain it to you - but you need to understand who the seed is and how all the people on earth will be blessed - Israel will remain For Eternity as well as Jerusalem will remain for eternity as s direct result of this promise

Question: "Why does God refer to Himself as the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob?"

Answer: In about a dozen places in the Bible, the Lord God is referred to as the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (e.g., Genesis 50:24; Exodus 3:15; Acts 7:32). This name of God emphasizes the covenant that God made with Israel and the Israelites’ special place as God’s Chosen People.

God repeated the Abrahamic Covenant to three different generations: Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob were all given the promise of land, many descendants, and blessing. The Lord first calls Abram out of Ur of the Chaldees to the land of Canaan, establishing a covenant with him (Genesis 12:1–3). God reaffirms the same covenant with Abraham’s son, Isaac (Genesis 21:12; 26:3–4), and later with Isaac’s son, Jacob (Genesis 28:14–15). The Lord who established and ratified this covenant is rightly called the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

When God revealed Himself to Moses in preparation for bringing His people out of Egypt, He called Himself “the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob” in Exodus 3:15. He also instructed Moses to identify the Lord by that name when speaking to the Israelites (verse 16). In this case, the name carries a couple of important implications. First, when God identifies Himself as the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, He clearly distinguishes Himself from the gods of Egypt in whose land the Israelites dwelt. Second, the reference to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob implies a reason for the exodus: the promise of land. God had vowed that the children of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob would inherit a certain geographical area . God’s faithfulness and Israel’s blessing were directly tied to Israel’s possession of the Promised Land, and the name God uses for Himself harkens back to the covenant with Abraham.

Jesus alluded to God’s burning-bush appearance to Moses and used God’s name to teach a lesson on the resurrection to the Sadducees: “About the resurrection of the dead—have you not read what God said to you, ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? He is not the God of the dead but of the living” (Matthew 22:31–32). As Jesus points out, the verb am is in the present tense; God did not say, “I was the God of your fathers.” He said, “I am their God,” showing that Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob were still alive (in heaven) in Moses’ day.

In Acts 3, as Peter preaches to the Jews in the temple, he refers to the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, a name that his hearers would have commonly used in their worship. Peter and John had just healed a lame man, who was now standing before them. Peter attributes the miracle to the power of the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, working through Jesus. In other words, Peter was careful to link the miracle they had just witnessed to the one and only God of their fathers. The same God who spoke to the patriarchs was at work in their midst, and Jesus should get the glory.

In explaining the miracle of a lame man walking, Peter also sets up a bold contrast: “The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus. You handed him over to be killed, and you disowned him before Pilate” (Acts 3:13). The God whom the Jews purported to revere treated Jesus of Nazareth much differently than they had: God glorified Jesus, and they killed Him. Peter hammers home the contrast in verse 15: “You killed the author of life, but God raised him from the dead.” As he closes the sermon, Peter reminds his hearers that the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob was fulfilling His covenant with them: “You are heirs of the prophets and of the covenant God made with your fathers” (verse 25). Many Jews believed in Christ that day, but Peter and John were thrown in jail (Acts 4:1–4).

The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob has plan for the ages involving a Savior who provides forgiveness of sins and reconciliation with God. That plan was set in motion when God called Abram and blessed him, and that plan was brought to fulfillment when Jesus died and rose again. Through the seed of Abraham, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob blessed all the nations of the world.

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There would not be chosen people if it were not for Christ.
Gods chosen people are blessed through Christ.

Galatians 3:16 The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say "and to seeds," meaning many people, but "and to your seed," meaning one person, who is Christ.

If it weren't for Christ they would all perish.There would not even be a resurrection.

shilohsfoal said:

There would not be chosen people if it were not for Christ.
Gods chosen people are blessed through Christ.

Galatians 3:16 The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say "and to seeds," meaning many people, but "and to your seed," meaning one person, who is Christ.

If it weren't for Christ they would all perish.There would not even be a resurrection.

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I think it would be more appropriate to say chosen nation of the nations, by which the world would know God by seeing God act - blessings, curses, promises to Israel.

Differently - regarding individual persons - many are called, few are chosen. That refers to them who embrace Jesus.

There is only one way to be saved - and that is by the Lord Jesus Christ. The promised kingdom is the Kingdom of God - which is way greater than Israel and the other nations. So why get hung up on trying to be Israel - in the Church has become Israel doctrine? And Christians have become Jews?

shilohsfoal said:

The verse you quoted is about Christ ,not the nation state of Israel.

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Replacement Theology. A popular view, but one I don't adhere to.

Romans 11:25

For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.

Romans 11:29

For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.


Again, posters in this sub-forum should have logos like NASCAR drivers.