Is it okay to Weaponize the Gospel?

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Grip Docility

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I have begun to question the statement, "We put Christ on that cross...." Frankly, that seems like an attempt at trying to take credit for what we have no power to perform. Jesus went to that cross because He chose obedience to the Father, and He was slain from the foundations of the world, as it is written. We played no active part in putting Him on that cross with Him having been slain from the foundations of the world. We are the beneficiaries of His mercy, grace and love for us. He chose to make us co-heirs with Him. He chose us, the very One who knew the fall was going to happen with all the elements He alone put into that garden.

I'm getting to like the wording "weaponized Gospel." The Gospel is good news, and it has the power to bring about faith, which is indeed a weapon.....against unbelief, and being lost.

So, what this boils down to is perspective. There are bad ways to present the good news, and there are good ways. Jesus called some of the lost people back then a bunch of "vipers" and other unsavory descriptors. Sometimes, you have to call it all as it is, no matter how much some may dislike it. Jesus would have been cast out of many modern church organizations for daring to be so honest and forthright.

Remember.....Jesus said it Himself that He brought a weapon rather than peace....and He is Love incarnate.

Weaponized Gospel indeed.....

Weaponization gives loving strength and balanced power to the message of good news. It is in that context that those who hear it can know that they can choose to become a part of something so profoundly stable that they will not have to worry about falling out of, nor be plucked from, the Hands of He who can hold onto them firmly if only they will choose Him over the world and self.

Your ... “Weapon” is forged of Love...

In other words... you appear to be doing it right.

:)

The negative tense is indeed towards those that forge in the venom.

The ... “you’re not good enough to receive His Love” crowd.
 
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One way to tell if you really have a heart for sinners, is if it "hurts you very much" and makes you feel bad, when delivering or speaking any bad news, rebukes, or judgements...

If it does not, you probably don't...

And, if you do, you will back it up with plenty of good news...

If it does not kinda tend to bring you down, and instead does the opposite, puffs you up and makes you feel better or superior even, well, then...?

God Bless!
Now, I must add your supposed to feel good about the good news, (just not in the wrong way) but not the bad news...

Had to add that...

God Bless!
 
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Please state the definition of the Gospel.

Then please explain the definition of weaponizing the said Gospel .

I ask for this as about 30% of all gospel discussions deal with a misunderstanding of the Biblical definition of the Gospel.

Thanks.

Ephesians 2:8-9

1 Corinthians 15 has a great way of bringing the details in and Galatians raises the roof.
 
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Your ... “Weapon” is forged of Love...

In other words... you appear to be doing it right.

:)

The negative tense is indeed towards those that forge in the venom.

The ... “you’re not good enough to receive His Love” crowd.

Amen. Love is the most powerful force of all. Without love, one has no choice but to make use of inferior weaponry that harms even friends and allies.

Well said, my friend.
 
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Ephesians 2:8-9

1 Corinthians 15 has a great way of bringing the details in and Galatians raises the roof.
Thanks. I would add Luke 24:44-50 as well .

How is the above weaponized ? Meaning what is your definition of weaponizing the Gospel?
 
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Thanks. I would add Luke 24:44-50 as well .

How is the above weaponized ? Meaning what is your definition of weaponizing the Gospel?

In short... rebuilding what Christ tore down.
 
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Usually... sinners know they sin and feel unloved by God.

To be blunt... the Old Baptist preacher that reminds his flock how they fail to the point the paint is blistering off the wall, then follows up with a...

“Wphewwww... thank God for Jesus... or we would have no hope at all...

Now find people that feel as lost as you felt while I was reminding you we all fall short and extend the grace that Jesus extends to you... to them!”

May need a come back! The prosperity gospel of good behavior and monetary reward is eroding every last shred of the truth.

Homosexuality is condemned in the law... did or did not Jesus atone for all sins against the law?

Is Paul a liar?

If you can’t answer the did Jesus stone for all sins against the law Question... chances are... you’re magnifying homosexuality to make yourself feel better about the sins in your life.

How far does 1 John 2:2 reach?

According to you... “almost all the way”.

Hmmmmmmmm
So these are your answers to my questions? You have a real problem with making a coherent argument. In any case, rather than sinners knowing they sin and feel unloved by God, instead America abounds with souls who profess they will go to Heaven, and respond to "Jesus loves you" with indifference or "I know that." Very very few actually are seeking forgiveness and longing to know the love of God. The words of Christ, "Woe unto you that are full! for ye shall hunger. Woe unto you that laugh now! for ye shall mourn and weep," Luke 6:25) overall apply to America today.

And reminding the flock how they fail but is just what those who constantly condemn those who preach about sin. It seems judging them is allowed if the likes of you do it, but if they judge others then it is wrong based on your supreme status.

Meanwhile, you jump from the old Baptist preacher to the prosperity gospel, to "Is Paul a liar?," which is simply incoherent.

And reasoning that since the Lord atoned for all sin then unbelieving sinners are not condemned, or sin is not to be condemned, is simply not Scriptural, and would make the Lord and Paul liars.

With such sophistry i can understand why your posts from the beginning lack coherence.
 
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Thanks. I would add Luke 24:44-50 as well .

How is the above weaponized ? Meaning what is your definition of weaponizing the Gospel?
What warrant you have to expect a clear and substantive answer?
 
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@FireDragon76 articulated these words and they hit home to me. I literally battle against Weaponized gospels when the chance presents itself.

What was intended to be the Foundation of Unconditional Love can get twisted into emotional stones.

This is the core of my indignation towards theological twisting of Jesus’ words, ministry and Book... (John 5:39)

A thank you to @FireDragon76 for helping me express something I’ve been trying to express for years and a call for anyone to give deeper body to those simple but accurate words...

“Weaponized Gospel”

How is the gospel Weaponized and why does this do harm to the True Good News of our Lord, God Jesus Christ?
The Bible is used as a club all the time. It is no different here.

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Not sure what that phrase means. If it means strong-arming people into accepting the gospel, then I don't think that's what the Lord would want. A Holy Spirit inspired defense of the gospel is certainly God's will. Peace in Christ:).
Are those strong people genuinely saved?

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When forgiven sinners demand sinners become saved by Obedience to the Law...

Verses...

When forgiven sinners / Beggers show other sinners / beggers where the free key is and where the limitless bread is...

That’s a hint of sorts...

Grace vs. judgment...
No way! The law has nothing to do with getting or maintaining salvation. Following the law is not following Jesus or even accepting what Jesus did for us.

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So these are your answers to my questions? You have a real problem with making a coherent argument. In any case, rather than sinners knowing they sin and feel unloved by God, instead America abounds with souls who profess they will go to Heaven, and respond to "Jesus loves you" with indifference or "I know that." Very very few actually are seeking forgiveness and longing to know the love of God. The words of Christ, "Woe unto you that are full! for ye shall hunger. Woe unto you that laugh now! for ye shall mourn and weep," Luke 6:25) overall apply to America today.

And reminding the flock how they fail but is just what those who constantly condemn those who preach about sin. It seems judging them is allowed if the likes of you do it, but if they judge others then it is wrong based on your supreme status.

Meanwhile, you jump from the old Baptist preacher to the prosperity gospel, to "Is Paul a liar?," which is simply incoherent.

And reasoning that since the Lord atoned for all sin then unbelieving sinners are not condemned, or sin is not to be condemned, is simply not Scriptural, and would make the Lord and Paul liars.

With such sophistry i can understand why your posts from the beginning lack coherence.

Actually... most of America is full of hate and snake venom towards sinners Jesus died for.

Nice try.

If I offend you... By taking the side of sinners God Loves enough to die for... be offended.
 
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Unconditional love can be misconstrued if not balanced by what ALL scripture has to say about God's Love. Many people find it impossible to grasp that God actually hates some people.

For proof, see Psalm 5:5, where it is written, "...thou hatest all workers of iniquity."

Hmm. So, rather than to say God loves ALL sinners, we should say God loves MANY sinners, and hates others.

Oops! It looks like God's love has conditions, because those who are "workers of iniquity" are in a very dangerous position. It's not surprising that we may run across those who want a god who is subject to who and what they think He should be rather than to accept One over whom they have no control.

I grieve for those who demand a god who is subject to them and their feelings about how a god should think and act. We should pray for them.
 
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Unconditional love can be misconstrued if not balanced by what ALL scripture has to say about God's Love. Many people find it impossible to grasp that God actually hates some people.

For proof, see Psalm 5:5, where it is written, "...thou hatest all workers of iniquity."

Hmm. So, rather than to say God loves ALL sinners, we should say God loves MANY sinners, and hates others.

Oops! It looks like God's love has conditions, because those who are "workers of iniquity" are in a very dangerous position. It's not surprising that we may run across those who want a god who is subject to who and what they think He should be rather than to accept One over whom they have no control.

I grieve for those who demand a god who is subject to them and their feelings about how a god should think and act. We should pray for them.

I have to disagree with hating people.

God taught us to Love our enemy and God is no hypocrite.

Now... if you refer to God’s loathing of Hypocrisy... I can follow you in your train of thought.
 
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did or did not Jesus atone for all sins against the law?
Jesus said repentance for forgiveness of sins would be proclaimed in His name to all the nations. (Luke 24:47 NASB)

Jesus didn't say please feel free to continue to sin as you wish and your sins will still be forgiven regardless.
 
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What did Christ tear down?

The charges against us that were brought by the standards of the only One that perpetually upholds that which pointed to Him and His perfection...

Our missing the mark of God’s morality, Moral Law... The Call to Mercy and the 613 that began with the Decalogue...

I need to add... we were deceived into grasping those standards as anything we should behold.

I do believe God told us not to “eat of the fruit” of that tree.
 
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Jesus said repentance for forgiveness of sins would be proclaimed in His name to all the nations. (Luke 24:47 NASB)

Jesus didn't say please feel free to continue to sin as you wish and your sins will still be forgiven regardless.

All Sin...

All Sin brings about James 2:10

Look at what is in the Law that is written and forged in Deuteronomy in “The Book of the Law” (Deuteronomy 31:26) and all the Torah.

James 2:10 makes us all equally guilty.

To compare notes of who is a saved sinner and who is lost by “Works” is a bad idea.
 
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