God is the Great Architect of Inequality in regards to the Ontology of Salvation ¶ John 6:44, 65

Hieronymus · Feb 16, 2018

black.hawk said:
You mean the recent mass shooting in Florida?

No, i mean what's going on with the intelligence agencies versus POTUS and team.
JFK tried too, back then..

black.hawk · Feb 16, 2018

Hieronymus said:
No, i mean what's going on with the intelligence agencies versus POTUS and team.
JFK tried too, back then..

Are you suggesting that the intelligence agencies and POTUS are not on good terms?

But still, it doesn't preclude that POTUS could have used the intelligence agencies to his advantage, and for his own purpose; since the deteriorated situation in the here and now wouldn't necessarily reflect the antecedent in May/June 2017.

Lastly, are you suggesting that JFK fell out with the intelligence agencies, and his assassination was largely orchestrated by the same?

Edit: Prior experience has informed me that this ongoing war between the intelligence agencies and POTUS had never served to prevent the president using them to project his power and influence overseas.

Hieronymus · Feb 16, 2018

black.hawk said:
Are you suggesting that the intelligence agencies and POTUS are not on good terms?

Have you been living under a rock?
But to be more precise, it's rather severe corruption within the intelligence agencies.

Lastly, are you suggesting that JFK fell out with the intelligence agencies, and his assassination was largely orchestrated by the same?

I'm always surprised by how this is still shocking news to many...
But don't get me wrong, i know it's very hard (maybe impossible) to be certain about all the ins and outs of the JFK assassination.

Greg J. · Feb 16, 2018

black.hawk said:
Now, Modern science (e.g. Biological anthropology, Evolutionary psychology, and Human Biology etc) maintains that individuals are both genetically and environmentally predisposed to believe, or not to believe certain doctrines.

One could make a case that Scripture supports the idea that what a person is like is affected by their genes and environment. The conclusions of "fields of study" don't mean much to me, because they usually are based on assumptions and are always incomplete. (What field of study is "done" and has no further research to do? It is hubris to consider us to finally know the truth just the same as it was when people did it millennia or 150 or years ago.)

black.hawk said:
Therefore, some people would innately stand a better chance than others to believe, or not to believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ, based on the aforementioned.

You suggest that there is randomness and chance involved, but that is contrary to your following text about God's sovereignty. Chance and probabilities are real from a human perspective, they are not from God's perspective.

black.hawk said:
However, we also know that God is the ultimate cause behind the genetic and environmental factors which would predispose people to believe, or not to believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ. John 1:3

No, we do not know that. What we know is that Scripture demonstrates from cover to cover that we are the product of both God's decisions and human decisions.

How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? (Romans 10:14, 1984 NIV)

black.hawk said:
This implies that God never created people equally in terms of their chances to be saved, or not to be saved. As we know that some people would always stand a better chance than others to be saved, or not to be saved.

This is good, and pleases God our Savior, who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. (1 Timothy 2:3-4, 1984 NIV)

[about Jesus] ... who gave himself as a ransom for all men—the testimony given in its proper time. (1 Timothy 2:6, 1984 NIV)

For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” (Romans 10:12-13, 1984 NIV)

Its fine if you want to examine the predisposition of people to salvation, however, it must include the fact that it is available to everyone.

black.hawk said:
Thus, God is the Great Architect of Inequality in regards to the Ontology of Salvation; since he never created individuals to be exactly identical in terms of their genetic makeup, nor identical in terms of their social environment. John 1:3, 6:44, 6:65

Perhaps you have forgotten that no one deserves to be saved, and God would be 100% morally good even if he did not save anyone. The inequality that exists is the results of the decisions of humans.

For God does not show favoritism. (Romans 2:11, 1984 NIV)

black.hawk said:
Since individuals would always differ in terms of their genes and their social environment it means that some people would always have a better chance than others to be saved, or not to be saved.

The degree to which people have difference "chances" is the result of human decisions, not God's.

If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must master it.” (Genesis 4:7, 1984 NIV)

black.hawk said:
Thus, we know that human societies were never meant to be a level playing field in terms of the Ontology of Salvation; since individual differences would always entail some people having a better chance than others to be saved, or not to be saved.

Yes, ancient humans (as well as near ancestors) decided to reject God in different ways and at different times. It is they who are responsible for how we differ in our rejection of God.

black.hawk said:
Thus, some people would always have a better chance than others to be saved, or not to be saved; which implies that God has elected only few people to enter the Kingdom of heaven (Matthew 25:34), whereas the rest of humankind have been elected for the purpose of destruction (Revelation 13:8); and God decided this long before the world was created (John 6:44, 65).

Discuss.

You are mixing human perspective with God's sovereign perspective, which leads to reasoning that will result in incorrect conclusions. Keep in mind that God will not reward or punish people for things they never did. We are responsible for our decisions, actions, and consequences of our actions.

“Yet your countrymen say, ‘The way of the Lord is not just.’ But it is their way that is not just. If a righteous man turns from his righteousness and does evil, he will die for it. And if a wicked man turns away from his wickedness and does what is just and right, he will live by doing so. (Ezekiel 33:17-19, 1984 NIV)

black.hawk · Feb 16, 2018

Hieronymus said:
No, i mean what's going on with the intelligence agencies versus POTUS and team.
JFK tried too, back then..

Well, thanks for acting as spokesman for the National Intelligence Agency and CIA etc.

But what seems like a veiled fist is in fact nothing more than empty threats by the Agency; since there is a huge difference between God and JFK.

Whilst JFK never had the means at all to retaliate, let alone kill all the people working for the Agency, God certainly has the means at his disposal to kill all of them, including their loved ones (Namely, their women and children) who are not directly employed by the Government.

This is what you need to tell the Director of the NSA and CIA etc.

Hieronymus · Feb 16, 2018

black.hawk said:
Well, thanks for acting as spokesman for the National Intelligence Agency and CIA etc.

Don't be silly.

black.hawk · Feb 16, 2018

Hieronymus said:
Don't be silly.

Well, at least you're not taking sides in the perceived dispute.

Hieronymus · Feb 16, 2018

black.hawk said:
Well, at least you're not taking sides in the perceived dispute.

Don't pretend you understand things you want to know nothing about.
It's silly.

Hieronymus · Feb 16, 2018

I have an idea though:
Let's get back on topic. :oldthumbsup:

black.hawk · Feb 16, 2018

Hieronymus said:
I have an idea though:
Let's get back on topic.

You mean to change the subject (Because they told you)?

Hieronymus · Feb 16, 2018

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black.hawk · Feb 17, 2018

black.hawk · Feb 17, 2018

Hieronymus said:
Don't pretend you understand things you want to know nothing about.
It's silly.

Wrong. There is nothing that God doesn't know or understand; for he sees everything, and knows everything. ¶ Jeremiah 16:17 ¶ Luke 12:2 ¶ Hebrews 4:13

Tell them that unless they desist (Hebrews 10:26-29) and cooperate - For they must honour the new covenant of Christ = Luke 10:27-28 and Romans 10:9 - God will destroy the US and UK, and the rest of the Anglosphere - Which has got nothing to do with all the other members of the G8.

YOU are leading your people on the path of ruin and destruction, just as Pharaoh did when he instructed his people to kill the Firstborn Hebrews (Exodus 1:22), but God responded by killing all the Firstborn Egyptians (Exodus 12:29-30).

Inasmuch as there are Yanks and Limeys who are ignorant of the Covenant, or have broken the Covenant (Luke 10:27-28, Romans 10:9, Isaiah 24:5-6) the same numbers would also perish on the day of Judgement - Since they have broken the Covenant (Hebrews 10:26-29), which will stand forever, and God will punish them (Isaiah 24:5-6).

[NB. To honour the Covenant ( = Luke 10:27-28, Romans 10:9) is diametrically opposite to breaking it ( = Hebrews 6:4-6, 10:26-29).]

So, God will punish all the leaders of those countries along with their evil followers:-

Isaiah 24:2 - Priests and people alike will suffer. So will masters and their servants.

This has everything to do with your responsibility, but I think you are making a big mistake - Since you are leading your people on the path of ruin and destruction.

PS. In the eyes of God, there is no such thing as 'innocent' women and children, since those who are ignorant of the Covenant are not 'innocent' at all; and those who stalk the corridors of power are the cause of such ignorance, due to their unwillingness to desist or cooperate with the Creator.

But by doing so, they are leading their people on the path of ruin and destruction.

PPS. Ignorant people are no more 'innocent' than those who have broken or rejected the Covenant. ¶ Hebrews 6:4-6, 10:26-29

black.hawk · Feb 22, 2018

Tom Farebrother said:
I think that’s kind of an oversimplification. Psychology is not a hard science.

Psychology is not a hard science, but this doesn't change the fact that people have always been predisposed in one way or another:-

Heterosexuals are genetically and/or environmentally predisposed to do what they do, which means that they are statistically unlikely to do anything out of character.

Gays are genetically and/or environmentally predisposed to do what they do, which means that they are statistically unlikely to do anything out of character.

Afro-Caribbean children are genetically and/or environmentally predisposed to fail in education, which means that they are statistically less likely to be successful, etcetera, etcetera.

[Now, the aforementioned trends (or predispositions) are based on statistics, which is by no means an exact science, but it is still a reliable tool for the purpose of forecasting.]

This implies that people are more or less likely to believe the Gospel of Salvation, since they are genetically and/or environmentally predisposed to either accept or refute the Gospel.

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