The Ezekiel Temple-a temple not made with human hands

keras · Feb 13, 2018

The Third Temple – Beit HaMikdesh
Ezekiel 40,41 & 42 Ezekiel measures the future Temple and its precincts.
Ezekiel 43 to 48 Details of the Temple furnishings and the Land divisions, etc.

Haggai 2:6-9 In a little while, I shall shake the heavens, the earth, the sea and all the nations. I will fill this House with their treasures. This latter House will be greater than former. In this place, I shall grant prosperity and peace.
[The Second Temple was not greater than Solomon’s Temple]

Zechariah 1:16-17 These are the words of the Lord; I have returned to Jerusalem with compassion, My House is to be rebuilt there. My cities will again brim with prosperity, once again the Lord will comfort Zion and make Jerusalem the city of His choice.

2 Thess 2:3-4 The Return of Jesus cannot come until the man doomed to destruction is revealed and enthrones himself in God’s Temple, claiming to be God.
[What could be clearer than that? The Temple must be rebuilt before the Tribulation.]

Daniel 9:27....He will put a stop to the sacrifices and offerings, then will set up an abomination in the Holy place.

Malachi 3:1 I am about to send My messenger to clear a path before Me. Suddenly, the Lord, whom you seek, will come into His Temple. The messenger of the Covenant, whom you desire, will come to you. Reference REB, NIV some verses abridged

Jewish Midrash sources say that the messenger is the Messiah ben Joseph, who will be the leader of the 10 tribes of Israel when they return to the Land and he will instigate the rebuilding of the Temple. Jeremiah 30:21

Further on, it is mentioned again in Haggai 2:21, the shaking and overthrowing of kings and how the Lord will break the power of the heathen realms. As we see in verses 6-9 this happens before the rebuilding and therefore, the regathering of His people.

It is likely that the Lord will use the next prophesied event, the Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath, centred on the Middle East, to ‘break the power of the heathen realms’. This will enable His people, righteous Israel to settle into the Land of Greater Israel and build the Temple.

It is not possible, at present for the Jewish State of Israel to build anything on the Temple mount.

1/ They have handed control of the area to the Muslims.

2/ Any move to start construction would trigger a war.

3/ Orthodox Jews, especially Ultra Orthodox, are forbidden or dare not go onto the Mount, for fear of stepping onto the place of the Holy of Holies.

4/ Atheist Jews [half the population] are not interested or don’t want a Temple.

But this will happen:
Zechariah 6:15 Men from far away will come and work on the rebuilding of God’s Temple. This will come about if you listen to and obey your God.

Ezekiel 43:4 The glory of the Lord comes into the temple via the East gate.

claninja · Feb 14, 2018

keras said:
The Third Temple – Beit HaMikdesh
Ezekiel 40,41 & 42 Ezekiel measures the future Temple and its precincts.

There is no command for people to build a 3rd literal earthly temple.

Why didn't the Jews build the temple described by Ezekiel upon returning from babylonian exile?

keras said:
Haggai 2:6-9 In a little while, I shall shake the heavens, the earth, the sea and all the nations. I will fill this House with their treasures. This latter House will be greater than former. In this place, I shall grant prosperity and peace.
[The Second Temple was not greater than Solomon’s Temple]

Hebrews 12:26 but now he has promised, “Once more I will shake not only the earth but also the heavens.”

The glory of the house built by Christ is much greater than the former.

This promise is found yes in Chirst

2 Corinthians 1:20 For all the promises of God are “Yes” in Christ.

Loving God above all and loving your neighbor as yourself is more important that all animal sacrifices. To know this (glory of the latter house) is to understand the kingdom of God.

Mark 12:33-34
and to love Him with all your heart and with all your understanding and with all your strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself, which is more important than all burnt offerings and sacrifices.”
When Jesus saw that the man had answered wisely, He said, “You are not far from the kingdom of God.”

keras said:
Zechariah 1:16-17 These are the words of the Lord; I have returned to Jerusalem with compassion, My House is to be rebuilt there. My cities will again brim with prosperity, once again the Lord will comfort Zion and make Jerusalem the city of His choice.

Didn't Israel rebuilt the house of the Lord when they returned from exile?

keras said:
2 Thess 2:3-4 The Return of Jesus cannot come until the man doomed to destruction is revealed and enthrones himself in God’s Temple, claiming to be God.
[What could be clearer than that? The Temple must be rebuilt before the Tribulation.]

The son of destruction was being restrained during the time of Paul, when the 2nd temple existed.

2 Thessalonians 2:6
And you know what is now restraining him, so that he will be revealed at the proper time.

keras said:
Daniel 9:27....He will put a stop to the sacrifices and offerings, then will set up an abomination in the Holy place.

Where does it say the sacrifices will stop and then the abomination will be set up on the holy place in Daniel 9:27?

Daniel 9:27
And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week,g and for half of the week he shall put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolate.”

keras said:
Malachi 3:1 I am about to send My messenger to clear a path before Me. Suddenly, the Lord, whom you seek, will come into His Temple. The messenger of the Covenant, whom you desire, will come to you. Reference REB, NIV some verses abridged

The messenger is typically identified as John the Baptist. Jesus's ministry began after.

keras said:
Jewish Midrash sources say that the messenger is the Messiah ben Joseph, who will be the leader of the 10 tribes of Israel when they return to the Land and he will instigate the rebuilding of the Temple. Jeremiah 30:21

Jewish Midrash sources? The jews rejected Jesus, so they would have rejected John the baptist as the messenger (elijah)

keras said:
Further on, it is mentioned again in Haggai 2:21, the shaking and overthrowing of kings and how the Lord will break the power of the heathen realms. As we see in verses 6-9 this happens before the rebuilding and therefore, the regathering of His people.

I would disagree and state this happened when Christ was seated at the right hand of the Father.

John 2:19 Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”

Ephesians 1:20 hat he worked in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places, far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and above every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come.

Revelation 1:5 and from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of kings on earth.

keras said:
But this will happen:
Zechariah 6:15 Men from far away will come and work on the rebuilding of God’s Temple. This will come about if you listen to and obey your God.

Your skipping a previous verse.

1st the branch builds the temple

Zechariah 6:12
And say to him, ‘Thus says the LORD of hosts, “Behold, the man whose name is the Branch: for he shall branch out from his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD.

THEN those from far away build IN the temple, they themselves do not build the temple:

Zechariah 6:15
And they that are far off shall come and build in the temple of the LORD,

keras · Feb 15, 2018

Scripture is clear; there WILL be a new Temple in Jerusalem.
2 Thessalonians 2:4 and Revelation 11:1-2

Your denials are invalid.

jgr · Feb 15, 2018

keras said:
Scripture is clear; there WILL be a new Temple in Jerusalem.
2 Thessalonians 2:4 and Revelation 11:1-2

Your denials are invalid.

2 Thessalonians 2:4 speaks of a naon/naos (Greek) temple referring to the spiritual temple of the believer. In all of his epistles, Paul refers exclusively to the temple in the spiritual context. In 2 Thessalonians 2:4 he is referring to an impostor who usurps spiritual authority over the believer, and collectively, over the Church.

It has nothing to do with a literal temple.

claninja · Feb 15, 2018

keras said:
Scripture is clear; there WILL be a new Temple in Jerusalem.
2 Thessalonians 2:4 and Revelation 11:1-2

In Thessalonians 2:6, Paul states the man of lawlessness was being restrained DURING HIS TIME.

And you know what is restraining him now so that he may be revealed in his time.
2 Thessalonians 2:6

If this is true, the man of lawlessness has been dead for a long time. Unless there is a 2,000 year old man walking around somewhere?

Good thing Paul told the Thessalonians about this, as it wouldn’t occur for some 2000+ years later right?

keras said:
Your denials are invalid.

This is a subjective statement, as I could say the same thing about you. Let’s stick to objective arguments.

claninja · Feb 15, 2018

keras said:
and Revelation 11:1-2

I was given a reed like a measuring rod and was told, “Go and measure the temple of God and the altar, with its worshipers. But exclude the outer court; do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles. They will trample on the holy city for 42 months

In the 2nd temple, the outer court had been designated for the Gentiles. This outer court was separated by a wall of partition

In the Ezekiel temple, there is no outer designated court for the gentiles that is separated by a partition.

keras · Feb 15, 2018

claninja said:
I was given a reed like a measuring rod and was told, “Go and measure the temple of God and the altar, with its worshipers. But exclude the outer court; do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles. They will trample on the holy city for 42 months

In the 2nd temple, the outer court had been designated for the Gentiles. This outer court was separated by a wall of partition

In the Ezekiel temple, there is no outer designated court for the gentiles that is separated by a partition.

Dead wrong!
Ezekiel 40:17 describes the outer court. Ezekiel 40:5 describes the wall around the Temple.

What is your reason for denying a future Temple?
When it is understood what God has planned for our future, then you would know why a Temple is necessary. Remember, God wanted His people to build a Temple twice before; He does desire one again. Acts 15:16 It has to be in place for the end times prophesies to be fulfilled.

ProtectionET · Feb 15, 2018

Ezekiel's Temple could be built now, if Christians did not rely on the devil, but followed God and fulfilled His word.

claninja · Feb 15, 2018

keras said:
Dead wrong!
Ezekiel 40:17 describes the outer court. Ezekiel 40:5 describes the wall around the Temple.

Dead wrong about what? Please provide text from Ezekiel showing a gentile court with partition wall.

Herods temple had a gentile court with parition wall.

keras said:
What is your reason for denying a future Temple?

The temple, sacrifices, feasts, festivals, and ceremonies were all pictures of Christ. Christ fulfilled them.

If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how can you believe if I tell you heavenly things?
John 3:12

keras said:
Remember, God wanted His people to build a Temple twice before;

Yet the Most High does not dwell in houses made by hands, as the prophet says, “‘Heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool. What kind of house will you build for me, says the Lord, or what is the place of my rest? Did not my hand make all these things?’
Acts 7:48-50

In all places where I have moved with all the people of Israel, did I speak a word with any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd my people Israel, saying, “Why have you not built me a house of cedar?”’
2 Samuel 7:7

keras said:
He does desire one again.

God desires a temple made by human hands?

He desires mercy, not sacrifice. I suggest you go learn what this means.

keras said:
Acts 15:16

As we can clearly see, Simon makes the spiritual connection between God rebuilding David's fallen tent and the gentiles bearing the name of the the Lord. This is not a literal tent, this is about the true spiritual tabernacle of the Lord, the body of Christ, both Jew and Gentile.

Acts 15:14-18
Simon has described to us how God first intervened to choose a people for his name from the Gentiles. The words of the prophets are in agreement with this (God intervening with the gentiles in the time of Simon), as it is written:
“ ‘After this I will return and rebuild David’s fallen tent. Its ruins I will rebuild, and I will restore it,
that the remnant of mankind may seek the Lord, even all the Gentiles who bear my name, says the Lord, who does these things’b —things known from long ago.c

jgr · Feb 15, 2018

ProtectionET said:
Ezekiel's Temple could be built now, if Christians did not rely on the devil, but followed God and fulfilled His word.

He fulfilled His Word long ago at Calvary in His Son.

His Son declared it to His disciples, He declares it to His people today, and He will declare it until He returns.

He is the complete fulfillment of the Old Testament, His New Testament sons and daughters are His Temple, and He is the Chief Corner Stone (1 Peter 2:4-7).

Listen to His Words, and those of His servant Paul.

Luke 24
25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures

Acts 13
29 And when they had fulfilled all that was written of him, they took him down from the tree, and laid him in a sepulchre.

ProtectionET · Feb 15, 2018

jgr said:
He fulfilled His Word long ago at Calvary in His Son.

Jesus Christ fulfilled his word, but Christians did not fulfill His word, do not fulfill and do not want to fulfill.

jgr · Feb 15, 2018

ProtectionET said:
Christians did not fulfill His word, do not fulfill and do not want to fulfill.

Your Scripture for that?

jgr · Feb 15, 2018

keras said:
The time wasn't right for a new Temple.
As we are plainly told; we Christians are the spiritual Temple for now. This does not preclude a future actual Temple. In fact there has to be one: 2 Thessalonians 2:4 and Revelation 11:1-2
The new Temple will be in Jerusalem, ready for Jesus to Return to.

Only after the Millennium, will there be no need for a Temple Revelation 21:22

I'm quite certain that if this had merely been a case of bad timing, God would have been much more merciful.

He wasn't. This was an unmistakable outpouring of Divine Wrath and Judgment.

I have no doubt that it will be repeated on a much grander scale if a rebuild is attempted. It will be of immense interest to see how many from the dispensational community have nerve enough to actually participate in the construction effort if one is launched.

The carnage could be unprecedented.

jgr · Feb 15, 2018

ProtectionET said:
Jesus Christ fulfilled his word, but Christians did not fulfill His word, do not fulfill and do not want to fulfill.

Where did Christ tell His Church to rebuild a literal temple?

keras · Feb 16, 2018

jgr said:
Where did Christ tell His Church to rebuild a literal temple?

In The Revelation of Jesus Christ, chapter 11:1-2, He says there will be a Temple in Jerusalem in the end times'
Malachi 3:1 tells us: the Lord will come into His Temple..... Obviously Jesus will Return to a Temple, from which He will rule the world.
Do you expect Him to Return to a heap of ruins?

jgr · Feb 16, 2018

keras said:
In The Revelation of Jesus Christ, chapter 11:1-2, He says there will be a Temple in Jerusalem in the end times'
Malachi 3:1 tells us: the Lord will come into His Temple..... Obviously Jesus will Return to a Temple, from which He will rule the world.
Do you expect Him to Return to a heap of ruins?

Do you consider the Temple of His Church that He is building every day, believer by believer, to be a heap of ruins?

There can never be a greater temple than the One consisting of the lives of His saints.

claninja · Feb 16, 2018

keras said:
Malachi 3:1 tells us: the Lord will come into His Temple..... Obviously Jesus will Return to a Temple, from which He will rule the world.
Do you expect Him to Return to a heap of ruins?

Malachi 3:1 has been fulfilled:

“Behold, I send my messenger, and he will prepare the way before me. And the Lord whom you seek will suddenly come to his temple; and the messenger of the covenant in whom you delight, behold, he is coming, says the Lord of hosts.
Malachi 3:1

Here, Jesus quoted Malachi 3:1 and states John the Baptist is the Elijah:

10 This is he of whom it is written, “‘Behold, I send my messenger before your face, who will prepare your way before you.’
Matthew 11:10

6 I tell you, something greater than the temple is here.
Matthew 12:6

Was Jesus not teaching in the 2nd temple after this?

Did Jesus not raise the temple after this?

keras · Feb 16, 2018

claninja said:
Did Jesus not raise the temple after this?

He did and we Christians are His spiritual Temple.
This truth does not preclude a physical Temple being built, as prophesied; in the future.

But if people don't want to think that a new Temple will happen, then only as events unfold, will they see how God has planned for it and for the amazing blessings He will give His faithful people.

jgr · Feb 16, 2018

keras said:
But if people don't want to think that a new Temple will happen, then only as events unfold, will they see how God has planned for it and for the amazing blessings He will give His faithful people.

Or will again unleash His wrath, as He did in the 4th century, on those who would presume to replace His New Covenant spiritual temple with the temple of a decayed and vanished old covenant.

claninja · Feb 17, 2018

keras said:
He did and we Christians are His spiritual Temple.

Agree

keras said:
This truth does not preclude a physical Temple being built, as prophesied; in the future.

The physical temple was only a shadow of Christ. Christ fulfilled it. There is no prophesied 3rd physical earthly temple building. It is a prophecy of Christ and the temple he built through his body.

They serve a copy and shadow of the heavenly things. For when Moses was about to erect the tent, he was instructed by God, saying, “See that you make everything according to the pattern that was shown you on the mountain.” But as it is, Christ has obtained a ministry that is as much more excellent than the old as the covenant he mediates is better, since it is enacted on better promises.
Hebrews 8:5-6

keras said:
But if people don't want to think that a new Temple will happen, then only as events unfold, will they see how God has planned for it and for the amazing blessings He will give His faithful people.

So God is going to reinstate the old covenant?

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