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Theres not a "medical issue"
She just feels nothing when I penetrate

Forgive me... but that is a damaging head Game.

I’m going to look like the bad guy here, but that’s pretty damned insensitive of her... and I didn’t mean the pun...
 
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yeah.... she says it sucks

To be direct... she seems to be a touch off of the desire to make your heart feel good.

85% of sex is a desire to make the other person feel good.

You are going through a very painful marriage right now!

I’m taking your side on this one. No doubt!
 
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To be direct... she seems to be a touch off of the desire to make your heart feel good.

85% of sex is a desire to make the other person feel good.

You are going through a very painful marriage right now!

I’m taking your side on this one. No doubt!
Yeah, it def doesnt feel good.
I think, am I wasting my time?
I love her so much but I dont want to live my whole life without sex
But I also feel its petty to leave just over sex.

But the total thing is, theres no "intimacy" in the relationship aside from kissing and cuddling and stuff.
 
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Theres not a "medical issue"
She just feels nothing when I penetrate
I may have misunderstood your situation, then. Posts #47 and #50 indicated that your wife felt pain during penetration, which sounds like vaginismus to me. Did I misunderstand you?
 
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Of course you can live life and not have sex. Sexual lust is useless if you want to live a life in Christ. "But she's my wife!" Lust is lust friend. I haven't had sex in like 4 and a half years and I'm not all that worried about it. It was also with a female I wasn't romantically attached to. She bought alcohol for the both of us and came onto me. And the only other female I had ever slept with before that was my ex girlfriend. I've slept with 2 females in my life and I'll be 24 this year. Of course going MGTOW has really helped me in not caring about sex and all that nonsense as well. But aside from all that, scripture talks about fornication being a sin, right? This includes consensual sex between a married couple. We are told to be a pure people and sexual lust gets in the way of that. Paul said something about coming together for a time but he also said to pray on it until you can STOP DOING IT. He didn't say, "have at it you crazy kids!" He said to avoid temptation and the Devil, let every man have his wife. But after that he said to pray on it and eventually find the strength to refrain from doing it altogether. It is sex for pleasure, not for reproduction. This is the issue. Fornication is fornication whether you are doing it with a spouse or a prostitute. Now I understand how some may react to this. But remember, it is not ME and MY rules you have a problem with, it is GOD's rules you have a problem with. I didn't make these rules up man, the Lord did. I'm just reciting them to you. And listen, I'm not saying that I don't EVER think about sex. I'd be lying if I were to say that. Lust is the greatest sin in all the world. I've said this many times, "not everybody drinks, gambles or does drugs, but EVERYBODY has sex". I'll be totally honest in telling you that I actually think about sex every day. I've got it bad. At one time I had over 300 inappropriate contentographic images on my tablet alone. That way I could look at it if I had to go somewhere or if I traveled. I have a bad issue with alcohol and can easily drink a case of beer to myself, but my lusting is worse. I've actually told God this more than once, "Lord, I'd rather drink every day than deal with this lust." And I mean that as an alcoholic. I often say that alcohol is cancer, but I'd rather take the bottle over my sexual desires any day. Lust is degrading, vile and insanely vulgar. I saw my first inappropriate contento at the age of 5 because a cousin left it in the VCR for me to find. I watched in wonder at what the guy and girl were doing. From that day on I've thought about girls in a "whole different way". I never could look at them quite the same after that. I often wondered what they looked like without clothes on. At 5 years old I was thinking like this man. I know how you must feel. If I had sex every time I was feeling "that way", I might have 300 children or maybe an STD. Lusting the way I do is a terrible shame to bare. I promise that I do feel shame when looking at it. It's like a little voice in my head that tells me to stop because I know that it just leaves me feeling guilty and empty and just plain vile. I don't know brother. I may just have to remember you in my prayers. Much hope and love to all those struggling with lust issues. I'm certainly no stranger to that beast myself.
 
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Yeah, it def doesnt feel good.
I think, am I wasting my time?
I love her so much but I dont want to live my whole life without sex
But I also feel its petty to leave just over sex.

But the total thing is, theres no "intimacy" in the relationship aside from kissing and cuddling and stuff.

Blunt as blunt can be... She should be wanting you to release in her (without making babies! Do not make babies with her!!!!)... because that’s what women in love Desire from their love!

It’s a biblical primal thing that is core!

The “I don’t feel anything” is just plain garbage!

That’s an intended slam to your ego!

No joke! You’re desire to drop her like a bad habit makes total sense.

My spider sense is tingling and something is way off with her.

I know this sounds horrible... but thank goodness you don’t have kids with her!

I’m being real! The whole... I can’t feel anything is a really hurtful thing! That is a terrible thing to say to a guy!

It’s worse than telling a girl that it isn’t the dress that makes her look fat!
 
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Yeah, it def doesnt feel good.
I think, am I wasting my time?
I love her so much but I dont want to live my whole life without sex
But I also feel its petty to leave just over sex.

But the total thing is, theres no "intimacy" in the relationship aside from kissing and cuddling and stuff.

What would you do if your wife was in an accident or contracted a disease that made sex impossible? Would you just dump her like a child forsakes a broken toy? I sure hope not! As much as sex is a part of marriage, it is possible to do without sexual relations with your wife. Your marriage does not hang on the sexual activity you have with your spouse. Until God works sufficiently in your marriage to enable healthy sexuality between you and your wife, you are commanded by God to love your wife deeply and sacrificially. That means you give up your rights and desires in order to love her; she comes before you. Will you love her as Christ has loved you? I hope and pray so.
 
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Yeah, it def doesnt feel good.
I think, am I wasting my time?
I love her so much but I dont want to live my whole life without sex
But I also feel its petty to leave just over sex.

But the total thing is, theres no "intimacy" in the relationship aside from kissing and cuddling and stuff.

Honesty from an outsider that has been married to a loveless woman before...

A... she’s like the girl from “Saving Silverman”... throwing you a inappropriate contento and some lotion after you please her...

B... She says she doesn’t feel anything and makes no effort to work towards mutual fulfillment...

To me... she deserves an option ... Counseling or the highway!

Sorry to be so blunt... but unless she has cancer or some illness... she sounds pretty unloving!
 
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I may have misunderstood your situation, then. Posts #47 and #50 indicated that your wife felt pain during penetration, which sounds like vaginismus to me. Did I misunderstand you?
Well I guess I shouldnt say pain, she feels number, like nothing happening
Obviously she felt pain first time we did cause its new to her and me. but now she just feels nothing at all in there.
 
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Well I guess I shouldnt say pain, she feels number, like nothing happening
Obviously she felt pain first time we did cause its new to her and me. but now she just feels nothing at all in there.
and NO im not small lol. Sorry for TMI but I know how minds wander. that IS NOT the issue lol.
 
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Of course you can live life and not have sex. Sexual lust is useless if you want to live a life in Christ. "But she's my wife!" Lust is lust friend. I haven't had sex in like 4 and a half years and I'm not all that worried about it. It was also with a female I wasn't romantically attached to. She bought alcohol for the both of us and came onto me. And the only other female I had ever slept with before that was my ex girlfriend. I've slept with 2 females in my life and I'll be 24 this year. Of course going MGTOW has really helped me in not caring about sex and all that nonsense as well. But aside from all that, scripture talks about fornication being a sin, right? This includes consensual sex between a married couple. We are told to be a pure people and sexual lust gets in the way of that. Paul said something about coming together for a time but he also said to pray on it until you can STOP DOING IT. He didn't say, "have at it you crazy kids!" He said to avoid temptation and the Devil, let every man have his wife. But after that he said to pray on it and eventually find the strength to refrain from doing it altogether. It is sex for pleasure, not for reproduction. This is the issue. Fornication is fornication whether you are doing it with a spouse or a prostitute. Now I understand how some may react to this. But remember, it is not ME and MY rules you have a problem with, it is GOD's rules you have a problem with. I didn't make these rules up man, the Lord did. I'm just reciting them to you. And listen, I'm not saying that I don't EVER think about sex. I'd be lying if I were to say that. Lust is the greatest sin in all the world. I've said this many times, "not everybody drinks, gambles or does drugs, but EVERYBODY has sex". I'll be totally honest in telling you that I actually think about sex every day. I've got it bad. At one time I had over 300 inappropriate contentographic images on my tablet alone. That way I could look at it if I had to go somewhere or if I traveled. I have a bad issue with alcohol and can easily drink a case of beer to myself, but my lusting is worse. I've actually told God this more than once, "Lord, I'd rather drink every day than deal with this lust." And I mean that as an alcoholic. I often say that alcohol is cancer, but I'd rather take the bottle over my sexual desires any day. Lust is degrading, vile and insanely vulgar. I saw my first inappropriate contento at the age of 5 because a cousin left it in the VCR for me to find. I watched in wonder at what the guy and girl were doing. From that day on I've thought about girls in a "whole different way". I never could look at them quite the same after that. I often wondered what they looked like without clothes on. At 5 years old I was thinking like this man. I know how you must feel. If I had sex every time I was feeling "that way", I might have 300 children or maybe an STD. Lusting the way I do is a terrible shame to bare. I promise that I do feel shame when looking at it. It's like a little voice in my head that tells me to stop because I know that it just leaves me feeling guilty and empty and just plain vile. I don't know brother. I may just have to remember you in my prayers. Much hope and love to all those struggling with lust issues. I'm certainly no stranger to that beast myself.

2 things.
I dont look at port its a waste of time
2. fornication is not possible between a married couple so im confused on your statement.
I.E.
for·ni·ca·tion
ˌfôrnəˈkāSH(ə)n/
noun
formalhumorous
  1. sexual intercourse between people not married to each other.
    "laws forbidding adultery and fornication"
    synonyms: extramarital sex, extramarital relations, adultery, infidelity, unfaithfulness, cuckoldry;
 
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Blunt as blunt can be... She should be wanting you to release in her (without making babies! Do not make babies with her!!!!)... because that’s what women in love Desire from their love!

It’s a biblical primal thing that is core!

The “I don’t feel anything” is just plain garbage!

That’s an intended slam to your ego!

No joke! You’re desire to drop her like a bad habit makes total sense.

My spider sense is tingling and something is way off with her.

I know this sounds horrible... but thank goodness you don’t have kids with her!

I’m being real! The whole... I can’t feel anything is a really hurtful thing! That is a terrible thing to say to a guy!

It’s worse than telling a girl that it isn’t the dress that makes her look fat!


Well I think you MAY be taking it the wrong way.
Shes not saying it in a hurtful way
Shes like, I feel numb in there.
Shes like its not you, if anything you are too big LOL.
She just says she doesnt feel sensitive in there in a good way.
 
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What would you do if your wife was in an accident or contracted a disease that made sex impossible? Would you just dump her like a child forsakes a broken toy? I sure hope not! As much as sex is a part of marriage, it is possible to do without sexual relations with your wife. Your marriage does not hang on the sexual activity you have with your spouse. Until God works sufficiently in your marriage to enable healthy sexuality between you and your wife, you are commanded by God to love your wife deeply and sacrificially. That means you give up your rights and desires in order to love her; she comes before you. Will you love her as Christ has loved you? I hope and pray so.

I appreciate that.
I'm not leaving my wife, so please dont get the wrong idea.

Also that is circumstancial
She DOESN'T have those issues,. so thats why im bothered.
However IF she did ofcourse I wouldnt because thats out of our control.
But.... at this point it isnt out of her/ our control so its just bothersome.
 
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So to give a little insight

I asked her are we ever going to have sex and she says, Yes when I feel like it. I said, you never feel like it, and its not fair to just be on your time,. and blah blah and we just get into an argument.

She likes foreplay and touching and what not, but she doesnt like sex itself.
She said it hurts and she feels numb'
"I have heard a lot of women feel that way"
When I say lets do other stuff she says it takes too long and blah blah blah

I always try hard. I take her to dinner
I give massages, I do all the pre things women would want
I dont just go in and try to make it happen.


I know sex is not the focus in a marriage but when its not existent it really puts a burden on you mentally and physically.

I dont want to be selfish and just think about myself and I feel sometimes maybe I am being selfish but another part of me feels Im not because it NEVER happens.

It makes me feel like were just friends and its awkward honestly
Like we have no sex life and I feel it is imporant.
Again, please dont lecture me on saying a marriage isnt all about sex, I GET IT.
I know that, but we hardly ever do it.

Then on top of it all, if on the RARE occasion we do have sex, I know she doesnt like it and it creates a weird tension because I know the whole time she doesnt want it.

I'm just lost in the whole thing.

She doesnt have deep rooted issues.
I know all of her past "which is nothing" We basically grew up together and have been together ever since.
Its she doesnt feel good when we penetrate and she says it takes a lot of work to do other stuff "foreplay" thats the issue.
I tell her well we need to try more and see what you like and then its a cycle because shes too lazy to try or she says she doesnt feel like it or it takes too long etc.

Thats the issue.
Not some deep rooted past.


I do want to continue in my marriage but I also dont want to live my entire life with no sex. It sounds stupid but thats a big part of a marriage otherwise you are just friends, you know?

She needs to see a doctor. It ought not hurt and feel numb.
...and it does sound like she is avoiding the issue... there might be more there than you think, psychologically. It might not, but... it might.
 
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Well I think you MAY be taking it the wrong way.
Shes not saying it in a hurtful way
Shes like, I feel numb in there.
Shes like its not you, if anything you are too big LOL.
She just says she doesnt feel sensitive in there in a good way.

Okay...

Wphewwww
 
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Honesty from an outsider that has been married to a loveless woman before...

A... she’s like the girl from “Saving Silverman”... throwing you a inappropriate contento and some lotion after you please her...

B... She says she doesn’t feel anything and makes no effort to work towards mutual fulfillment...

To me... she deserves an option ... Counseling or the highway!

Sorry to be so blunt... but unless she has cancer or some illness... she sounds pretty unloving!
I dont want to bad mouth my wife, because I love her to death but she is RARELY affectionate.
I feel I make all the effort.
She kisses me and cuddles but I make most the effort 100%
She holds grudges longer, Im first to say sorry and apologize.
Everything.
I just feel its not mutual effort and its def weighed us down and its caused us to argue a lot
I do believe God can heal it
Im not slamming her or trying to be mean just trying to vent and get some advice.

Which you all have been helpful and I do appreciate it.
 
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She needs to see a doctor. It ought not hurt and feel numb.
...and it does sound like she is avoiding the issue... there might be more there than you think, psychologically. It might not, but... it might.
Okay can I ask a womans opinion. Not to get weird, but do you feel anything inside?


I thought about buying a toy for her and us using it on her but I dont want that to replace me lol!
Then Im even deeper in.
 
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Of course you can live life and not have sex. Sexual lust is useless if you want to live a life in Christ. "But she's my wife!" Lust is lust friend. I haven't had sex in like 4 and a half years and I'm not all that worried about it. It was also with a female I wasn't romantically attached to. She bought alcohol for the both of us and came onto me. And the only other female I had ever slept with before that was my ex girlfriend. I've slept with 2 females in my life and I'll be 24 this year. Of course going MGTOW has really helped me in not caring about sex and all that nonsense as well. But aside from all that, scripture talks about fornication being a sin, right? This includes consensual sex between a married couple. We are told to be a pure people and sexual lust gets in the way of that. Paul said something about coming together for a time but he also said to pray on it until you can STOP DOING IT. He didn't say, "have at it you crazy kids!" He said to avoid temptation and the Devil, let every man have his wife. But after that he said to pray on it and eventually find the strength to refrain from doing it altogether. It is sex for pleasure, not for reproduction. This is the issue. Fornication is fornication whether you are doing it with a spouse or a prostitute. Now I understand how some may react to this. But remember, it is not ME and MY rules you have a problem with, it is GOD's rules you have a problem with. I didn't make these rules up man, the Lord did. I'm just reciting them to you. And listen, I'm not saying that I don't EVER think about sex. I'd be lying if I were to say that. Lust is the greatest sin in all the world. I've said this many times, "not everybody drinks, gambles or does drugs, but EVERYBODY has sex". I'll be totally honest in telling you that I actually think about sex every day. I've got it bad. At one time I had over 300 inappropriate contentographic images on my tablet alone. That way I could look at it if I had to go somewhere or if I traveled. I have a bad issue with alcohol and can easily drink a case of beer to myself, but my lusting is worse. I've actually told God this more than once, "Lord, I'd rather drink every day than deal with this lust." And I mean that as an alcoholic. I often say that alcohol is cancer, but I'd rather take the bottle over my sexual desires any day. Lust is degrading, vile and insanely vulgar. I saw my first inappropriate contento at the age of 5 because a cousin left it in the VCR for me to find. I watched in wonder at what the guy and girl were doing. From that day on I've thought about girls in a "whole different way". I never could look at them quite the same after that. I often wondered what they looked like without clothes on. At 5 years old I was thinking like this man. I know how you must feel. If I had sex every time I was feeling "that way", I might have 300 children or maybe an STD. Lusting the way I do is a terrible shame to bare. I promise that I do feel shame when looking at it. It's like a little voice in my head that tells me to stop because I know that it just leaves me feeling guilty and empty and just plain vile. I don't know brother. I may just have to remember you in my prayers. Much hope and love to all those struggling with lust issues. I'm certainly no stranger to that beast myself.
Sorry, sir. Lust is not a sin.
Lust simply means desire.
You can lust after something that's not evil, and it is not sin.
Check out Deuteronomy 12:15-26, in the KJV. You will find that God says 4 times that the Israelites could buy whatever they LUSTED after, and come and feast before the Lord with it.

Fornication is a specific sin. It is sex between UNMARRIED persons.
Adultery is a different specific sin. It is sex between a MARRIED person, and someone they are NOT married to.

There is NO hint, anywhere in the Bible, that sex with your husband or wife is sinful. EVER.

Yes, it might be lustful. But lust, in English Bible translations, is a Shakespearean word. It's used in the way England used that word 400 years ago... they did not use the word lust to mean only sexual sin. They used the word lust to mean "desire."

God designed the desire for sex in a healthy human body, at Creation. And He said it was GOOD.
Then, He made a WIFE for Adam, and issued the first command ever given in Scripture. He said it to the couple He just married in the Garden of Eden:

"Be fruitful and multiply"!
In case you don't know what that means... It means... "Go have sex... often!"
 
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Okay can I ask a womans opinion. Not to get weird, but do you feel anything inside?


I thought about buying a toy for her and us using it on her but I dont want that to replace me lol!
Then Im even deeper in.
For a woman, there's more sensation outside than inside.
The nerve endings for pleasure actually do not exist inside.
A woman will feel pressure further inside, but not pleasure... unless it's psychologically-associated pleasure.
This is simple biology.
 
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