Earth calamities and Rumors of war
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Post# 685 Page #35----`>3 June 2017 ....look at the discussion preceding and following that post.....Every one else implied in the discussion were sure that Trump will force Abbas [the Palestinians]to make a peace agreement with Israel.....That a proĥecy supposedly "Daniel 9:27" was about to be fulfilled...
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Guys, if you want to debate, please start a new topic. This is for news stories.
Anywho, I'm going to start posting these three (sometimes four) prophecy teachers every Sunday since watching these sermons are my Sunday ritual. If you're liberal, try to ignore the blatant right winged political crap they promote and try to learn from the news stories they read out loud in the videos.
EDIT: Looks like JD Farag's video has been deleted. I'll try to update this post should he upload it again today.
EDIT 2: It's back up. Updating this post to include it.
Anywho, I'm going to start posting these three (sometimes four) prophecy teachers every Sunday since watching these sermons are my Sunday ritual. If you're liberal, try to ignore the blatant right winged political crap they promote and try to learn from the news stories they read out loud in the videos.
EDIT: Looks like JD Farag's video has been deleted. I'll try to update this post should he upload it again today.
EDIT 2: It's back up. Updating this post to include it.
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Regarding Daniel 9:27, we probably won't be seeing it fulfilled in the news while Abbas and Trump are still in power.
Also, the treaty in Daniel 9:27 won't be between the Palestinians and Israel, but between the future Antichrist and a future, false Messiah who will be ruling the walled Old City of Jerusalem.
For back in Daniel 9:26, the original Hebrew word (H3772) translated as "cut off" can refer to when a peace treaty/covenant is "made" (Genesis 21:27). And the first century AD fulfillment of Daniel 9:26a was at the Crucifixion, when the true Messiah, Jesus, made the New Covenant (Matthew 26:28, Hebrews 9:15-17). But a future fulfillment of Daniel 9:26a will be when the Antichrist makes a peace treaty, which will be a fulfillment of the covenant in Daniel 9:27 and the league in Daniel 11:23, with a future, ultra-Orthodox Jewish false "Messiah" in Jerusalem, after he and his followers are militarily defeated by the Antichrist (Daniel 11:22-23). So this future fulfillment of Daniel 9:26a can refer to this false Messiah being "cut off" in the sense of being "covenanted", peace-treatied.
This treaty will allow this false "Messiah" and his followers to keep a third Jewish temple which they will have built on Jerusalem's Temple Mount (after they and/or great earthquakes have destroyed the Muslim structures there), and to (mistakenly) continue to perform the daily Mosaic animal sacrifices in front of the temple for at least seven years (Daniel 9:27a), so long as they give up the outer court of the temple (Revelation 11:2a) to the Muslims so that they can rebuild the (by that time destroyed) Al Aqsa Mosque on the southern end of the Temple Mount and resume worship there. After "cutting" this peace treaty (Daniel 9:26a), the future Antichrist could appear before the "many" (Daniel 9:27) nations represented at the U.N. General Assembly, and "confirm" (Daniel 9:27) that for at least seven years he will keep this treaty with the ultra-Orthodox Jews in Jerusalem, using this as purported proof to the world that he is (in his words) "a man of peace, and no Hitler".
In Daniel 9:27, "he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease" refers to when, only some 3.5 years after making the peace treaty of Daniel 9:26a,27a and Daniel 11:23a, the future Antichrist will break the treaty, attack the third temple, stop the daily Mosaic animal sacrifices, place the abomination of desolation (possibly a standing, android image of the Antichrist) in the holy place (the inner sanctum) of the temple (Daniel 9:27b, Daniel 11:31, Matthew 24:15), and then sit himself (at least one time) in the temple and proclaim himself God (2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36). Thus could begin the Antichrist's literal, 3.5-year Luciferian (Satanic) worldwide reign of terror (Revelation 13:4-18, Revelation 12:9; 2 Thessalonians 2:9).
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Daniel 9:24 has been entirely fulfilled at Calvary in the 70th week which is contiguous with the previous 69.
There is only one 70th week. Therefore any other fulfillments which occur in the 70th week occur in the same contiguous 70th week as Daniel 9:24.
Daniel 9:25-27 all refer to at least some events fulfilled within the 70th week. Therefore, they refer to the same contiguous 70th week as Daniel 9:24.
Therefore, Daniel 9:24-27 all refer to at least some events fulfilled within the 70th week which is contiguous with the previous 69.
Daniel 9
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
Those of the futurist persuasion would have us believe that the accomplishments enumerated in Daniel 9:24 are not yet in fact accomplishments at all, but remain unfulfilled and delayed, and will only become reality at some indeterminate time in the future, when a millennial kingdom is established. The following assertion by Chuck Missler and others is typical:
“The scope of this prophecy includes a broad list of things which clearly have yet to be completed.”
Let us consult with the Apostle Peter.
2 Peter 1
19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
What would have been the sources of Peter's conviction about a more sure word of prophecy?
One of them was undoubtedly this -- the Emmaus road experience with Jesus -- of which Peter, if not in fact present as the unnamed second disciple, would have been made well aware. Jesus' admonition was rather pointed:
Luke 24
25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
Peter was with all of the other disciples who heard this from Jesus:
Luke 24
44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures
Peter would unquestionably have been aware of this:
Acts 13
29 And when they had fulfilled all that was written of him, they took him down from the tree, and laid him in a sepulchre.
Given what Peter had to say, and of what he was aware; how would Peter have viewed Daniel 9:24?
He would have asked the following:
From Luke 24:25, does what is written in Daniel 9:24 qualify as being among all that the prophets have spoken?
Unquestionably it does.
From Luke 24:27, does what is written in Daniel 9:24 qualify as being among what had been spoken of Christ concerning Himself?
Unquestionably it does.
Does Luke 24:44 echo Luke 24:25,27?
Unquestionably it does.
Does Acts 13:29 affirm the declarations in Luke 24?
Unquestionably it does.
Then Peter would have of necessity reached an inexorable conclusion:
According to Christ's own words in Luke 24, and Paul's inspired words in Acts 13:29; Christ fulfilled everything that was written of Him, which without exception included everything in Daniel 9:24; by the time of His resurrection. Through Christ's completed work at Calvary, there was nothing left undone of the enumerated accomplishments in Daniel's inspired prophecy. All were fulfilled. Nothing remained to await a future age.
It was the epitome of fulfilled spiritual reality – past, present, and for eternity.
This is how Peter would have viewed Daniel 9:24.
This is why he could declare unreservedly that we have a more sure word of prophecy.
And this is why, contrary to Bro. Missler and others, we too can recognize and claim that more sure word of prophecy, and the completion and fulfillment of “all that was written of Him” in the inspired words of Daniel 9:24.
Praise to the Lamb, and His complete and perfect accomplishments at Calvary.
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Only regarding His first coming, not His still-unfulfilled Second Coming.
And that is what this thread is for: to discuss what will happen during the future Tribulation which will immediately precede Jesus Christ's Second Coming (Matthew 24:29-31), and if we can see any of these Tribulation events in the news today.
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He fulfilled "All" written in the prophets concerning Himself. That includes Daniel 9:24-27.
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Again, only all things regarding His first coming. For Jesus Christ has not yet fulfilled the prophecies regarding His Second Coming (e.g. Zechariah 14).
Also, what this thread is for is stated in post #1 above:
"I am starting this thread to catalogue Earth calamities like earthquakes, volcanoes, storms etc and rumors of war, and to discuss their possible impact on eschatology. Please post anything that is related to this OP."
Note that this thread is focused on today's news events which may have relation to "eschatology", which the OP clearly means in the sense of futurist eschatology, not preterism. For today's news events can have no relation to preterism.
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It can be profitable for Christians to consider whether any of today's news events may be fulfillments of Biblical prophecy.
But to do this, it requires at least some discussion of what Biblical prophecy actually foretells.
For if we have a mistaken idea of what Biblical prophecy foretells, then we could have a mistaken idea that a news event today has a "possible impact on eschatology", when in fact it has no relation to it at all.
Note that it has already been said that Daniel 9:26 had a fulfillment at Jesus Christ's first coming. And so Daniel 9:24-27 in its entirety could have as well.
But note that Bible verses can include two different meanings at the same time. For example the "son" in Hosea 11:1b referred to the nation of Old Covenant Israel (Exodus 4:22) and its Exodus from Egypt. Also, at the same time, the "son" in Hosea 11:1b foretold an event in the life of Jesus Christ at His first coming (Matthew 2:14-15,19-21).
Similarly, Daniel 9:24-27 can have a future fulfillment regarding Jesus Christ' Second Coming and the Tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24 which will immediately precede it (Matthew 24:29-31).
For example, Daniel 9:24 could have a future, physical fulfillment by Jesus Christ at His future, Second Coming (e.g. see Zechariah 14).
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Why are you guys trying to hijack this thread with debate? Is it too hard for you to start a debate thread?
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The Foreign Ministers of the “5 + 5 Dialogue” welcome the leading role of the Union for the Mediterranean in the region
The Foreign Ministers of the “5 + 5 Dialogue” welcome the leading role of the Union for the Mediterranean in the region - Union for the Mediterranean - UfM
http://westmediterraneanforum.org/about-the-55-dialogue/
Terrorism, migration, Jerusalem at top of 5+5 Dialogue agenda
Terrorism, migration, Jerusalem at top of 5+5 Dialogue agenda
Just a thought...
Mediterranean Union:
Roman Empire
5 + 5.... The ten toes of the iron mixed with clay? King Abdullah of Jordan represents the Arab half while the European Union represents the northern half.
The Foreign Ministers of the “5 + 5 Dialogue” welcome the leading role of the Union for the Mediterranean in the region - Union for the Mediterranean - UfM
http://westmediterraneanforum.org/about-the-55-dialogue/
Terrorism, migration, Jerusalem at top of 5+5 Dialogue agenda
Terrorism, migration, Jerusalem at top of 5+5 Dialogue agenda
Just a thought...
Mediterranean Union:
Roman Empire
5 + 5.... The ten toes of the iron mixed with clay? King Abdullah of Jordan represents the Arab half while the European Union represents the northern half.
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Report: Trump weighing unveiling of Mideast peace plan
Report: Trump weighing unveiling of Mideast peace plan
Palestinians court Russia as new broker in peace process
Palestinians court Russia as new broker in peace process
Report: Trump weighing unveiling of Mideast peace plan
Palestinians court Russia as new broker in peace process
Palestinians court Russia as new broker in peace process
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Interesting idea.
Also, it is in keeping with the OP's desire "to discuss their possible impact on eschatology" (post #1 above), that is, to discuss the Biblical prophecies which you think the Western Mediterranean Forum might impact.
For me, the Western Mediterranean Forum similarly brings to mind Daniel 2:42-43.
But note that Daniel 2:42-43 can be understood in light of Daniel 7.
For in Daniel 7, the first three beasts (Daniel 7:3-6) represent the ancient empires of Babylon (lion), Medo-Persia (bear), and Greece (leopard). The fourth beast, or fourth "king"/"kingdom" (Daniel 7:17,23), represents the ancient Roman empire. And the ten horns/kings which come out of it (Daniel 7:7,24) could represent ten major kingdoms/nations today which came out the former territory of the Roman empire, which consisted not only of Western Europe, but also the Middle East and North Africa. These ten nations could be Germany, the U.K., France, Italy, Spain, Turkey, Egypt, Iraq, Algeria, and Syria. The ten part-iron/part-clay toes of Daniel 2:42 could represent the same thing as the ten horns of Daniel 7:7. The Europeans could be the iron, and the Arabs and Turks could be the clay. In Daniel 2:43, the inability of the iron to mix with the clay could represent how, for example, there are many Turks living in Germany, but they remain separated in ghettoes within German cities. Similarly, there are many Arab Algerians living in France, but they remain separated in ghettoes within French cities.
But despite this social separation, which could endure indefinitely, the people of Western Europe on the one hand, and the people of the Middle East and North Africa on the other, could still one day put aside their political separation and become united into one federation. For Daniel 2:42 refers to the ten as a singular "kingdom". The person who will bring this about could be the future Antichrist.
The arising of the "little" horn (Daniel 7:8, Daniel 8:9), which is "diverse" from the ten major nations (Daniel 7:24), could mean that the future Antichrist will arise from a little country. And the little horn arising from "among" the ten major nations (Daniel 7:8) could mean that the Antichrist's country's territory used to be part of the Roman empire. And before that, it was part of one of the four Diadochian Greek kingdoms which succeeded the Greek empire of Alexander the Great (Daniel 8:8-9,21-25). The territory of these four kingdoms stretched from Greece over to Iran, and down into Egypt. So the Antichrist could come from the Middle East. He could be an Arab who will come from the little country of Lebanon, from the modern city of Tyre (Ezekiel 28:2; 2 Thessalonians 2:4).
The Antichrist could start out by claiming to be a Baathist. After becoming the leader of Lebanon, he could peacefully gain control of a Baathist federation of three of the ten major nations (Daniel 7:24): Egypt, "toward the south" of Lebanon (Daniel 8:9), and Iraq and Syria, "toward the east" of Lebanon (Daniel 8:9). This federation could also include the minor nation of a United Palestine, that is, a defeated Israel, "the pleasant land" (Daniel 8:9).
This Baathist federation could be put together in our future by an Iraqi Baathist General who could completely defeat and occupy Israel and Egypt with a huge Iraqi Army (Daniel 11:15-17; in verse 17 the original Hebrew word translated as "daughter" is "bath"), but who could then mysteriously disappear (Daniel 11:19) shortly before the Antichrist arises on the world stage (Daniel 11:21-45). Years later, when the Antichrist gains control of all ten of the major nations, he could appoint kings over them (Revelation 17:12) who will defer to him (Revelation 17:13), like how when Napoleon gained control of different nations, he appointed kings over them who would defer to him.
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Yikes.
But in keeping with the OP's desire "to discuss their possible impact on eschatology" (post #1 above), what Biblical prophecies do you think this might impact?
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