Psychic friend

DW1980 · Jan 16, 2018

Hi

I wasn't sure whether to post this in advice, or theology, but as I guess I am looking for advice I went with this - apologies if it's wrong.

I have a friend who not only believes in psychics, but claims to be one. What's interesting is that there are a lot of stories, and I don't believe this is made up. And that worries me. I know that "real" psychic activity doesn't come from God.

How do you witness to this kind of person? Their spiritual experiences are as real as mine. So where someone says they have talked with dead relatives, and someone who they didn't know, but after research discovered that the person existed and that the details were right, I can't just say "that's not true".

Has anyone had any experience of this kind of thing? What's the best way to witness to someone like this, without risking a good friendship?

Thanks

friend of · Jan 16, 2018

Have they proved it to you ask them to prove it

DW1980 · Jan 16, 2018

friend of said:
Have they proved it to you ask them to prove it

Hi

This is a friend, not some random person I wouldn't trust. I do believe these experiences are happening

:-/

Presbyterian Continuist · Jan 16, 2018

DW1980 said:
Hi

I wasn't sure whether to post this in advice, or theology, but as I guess I am looking for advice I went with this - apologies if it's wrong.

I have a friend who not only believes in psychics, but claims to be one. What's interesting is that there are a lot of stories, and I don't believe this is made up. And that worries me. I know that "real" psychic activity doesn't come from God.

How do you witness to this kind of person? Their spiritual experiences are as real as mine. So where someone says they have talked with dead relatives, and someone who they didn't know, but after research discovered that the person existed and that the details were right, I can't just say "that's not true".

Has anyone had any experience of this kind of thing? What's the best way to witness to someone like this, without risking a good friendship?

Thanks

Demons know all about a person's past, because they observe them. Also, they can tell you all about a dead relative, and even impersonate that person. for the same reason. We have demons all around us who observe everything we do, and they report back to the devil, who accuses us before God when we do something wrong. But Jesus is a defence lawyer in heaven, and so the devil doesn't get anywhere.

But if you asked a psychic what is going to happen in the future, they will give vague answers, because demons don't know the future. This is why a fortune teller is quite vague when someone asks for an indication of their future. It is the same with horoscopes. They are written in very general terms, not specific, because the demons behind them don't know the future for anyone. Only God knows what the future for anyone is going to be, because He is planning it.

Even though a psychic's experience is similar to your own, it just shows that a counterfeit can be so close to the real thing that it is difficult to tell them apart. Sometimes the supernatural gift of discerning of spirits is needed. But the aim of Holy Ghost manifestations is to strengthen a believer's faith in Christ and to enhance his experience with God and his life. A psychic will draw attention to himself and will draw a person away from faith in Christ and holy living. New Age psychic is all about improving the person in themselves instead of bringing them closer to God for the Holy Spirit to bring the changes.

What I suggest you do is to cover yourself with the blood of Jesus before you come into contact with him. Bind every spirit that is not of God so they cannot influence you in any way; assert that you are a child of God and that the devil cannot come anywhere near you. Then enjoy your friendship, and he will enjoy yours and he will be strangely silent about the psychic part of him, because it will not work in your presence and will not be able to speak through him because you have bound and silenced the demon behind it. The demon will be frustrated as heck, because it will will be imprisoned in chains while you are with your friend, and your friend will relate to you as the person he is and not as a psychic. The Jesus in you is greater than the demon in him, and the demon knows it and will not even attempt to do anything to you. We don't need to be afraid of demons or psychics because we have authority over them. Pray that any curses you receive from demonised people, will be turned into blessings from God. What Graham Cooke says that when he gets a demonic curse put on him, he writes it down and reverse engineers it to make it word the exact opposite, turning into a prophecy from the Lord. Often when a witch puts a curse on him, he says, "Is that all you've got? I've heard better. You're not a very good witch, are you?" That derails them. Isn't that amazing, or what?

DW1980 · Jan 16, 2018

Oscarr said:
Demons know all about a person's past, because they observe them. Also, they can tell you all about a dead relative, and even impersonate that person. for the same reason. We have demons all around us who observe everything we do, and they report back to the devil, who accuses us before God when we do something wrong. But Jesus is a defence lawyer in heaven, and so the devil doesn't get anywhere.

But if you asked a psychic what is going to happen in the future, they will give vague answers, because demons don't know the future. This is why a fortune teller is quite vague when someone asks for an indication of their future. It is the same with horoscopes. They are written in very general terms, not specific, because the demons behind them don't know the future for anyone. Only God knows what the future for anyone is going to be, because He is planning it.

Even though a psychic's experience is similar to your own, it just shows that a counterfeit can be so close to the real thing that it is difficult to tell them apart. Sometimes the supernatural gift of discerning of spirits is needed. But the aim of Holy Ghost manifestations is to strengthen a believer's faith in Christ and to enhance his experience with God and his life. A psychic will draw attention to himself and will draw a person away from faith in Christ and holy living. New Age psychic is all about improving the person in themselves instead of bringing them closer to God for the Holy Spirit to bring the changes.

What I suggest you do is to cover yourself with the blood of Jesus before you come into contact with him. Bind every spirit that is not of God so they cannot influence you in any way; assert that you are a child of God and that the devil cannot come anywhere near you. Then enjoy your friendship, and he will enjoy yours and he will be strangely silent about the psychic part of him, because it will not work in your presence and will not be able to speak through him because you have bound and silenced the demon behind it. The demon will be frustrated as heck, because it will will be imprisoned in chains while you are with your friend, and your friend will relate to you as the person he is and not as a psychic. The Jesus in you is greater than the demon in him, and the demon knows it and will not even attempt to do anything to you. We don't need to be afraid of demons or psychics because we have authority over them. Pray that any curses you receive from demonised people, will be turned into blessings from God. What Graham Cooke says that when he gets a demonic curse put on him, he writes it down and reverse engineers it to make it word the exact opposite, turning into a prophecy from the Lord. Often when a witch puts a curse on him, he says, "Is that all you've got? I've heard better. You're not a very good witch, are you?" That derails them. Isn't that amazing, or what?

Hi

Thanks for this, I certainly have been doing this. I have been praying for him, I think if he can hear spirits, then he should be able to hear the Holy Spirit too right? So I've been asking Jesus to speak to him.

Where I am at a loss is how to discuss this with him. I want to be kind and respectful to him - after all, he's a victim here. But I have no idea how to do that. I can't just invalidate his experience (I couldn't as he has "evidence" based on experience).

Are there any good books on this? I have looked at Amazon but it looks like a lot of wacky stuff, or testimonies, nothing based on apologetics or evangelism as far as I can see.

Mountainmanbob · Jan 16, 2018

DW1980 said:
What's the best way to witness to someone like this, without risking a good friendship?

Thanks

Just not sure we can truly be or should be friends with these ones?????

I see no Believers in the Bible hanging out with these people. Actually, I believe the Bible tells us to stay far away.

There must be good reasons for such a stern warning????

M-Bob

DW1980 · Jan 16, 2018

Mountainmanbob said:
Just not sure we can truly be or should be friends with these ones?????

I see no Believers in the Bible hanging out with these people. Actually, I believe the Bible tells us to stay far away.

There must be good reasons for such a stern warning????

M-Bob

As far as I know, the Bible prohibits consulting psychics. But if we stay away from them, how will they ever hear the gospel?

"How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them?" (Romans 10:14)

Presbyterian Continuist · Jan 16, 2018

DW1980 said:
Hi

Thanks for this, I certainly have been doing this. I have been praying for him, I think if he can hear spirits, then he should be able to hear the Holy Spirit too right? So I've been asking Jesus to speak to him.

Where I am at a loss is how to discuss this with him. I want to be kind and respectful to him - after all, he's a victim here. But I have no idea how to do that. I can't just invalidate his experience (I couldn't as he has "evidence" based on experience).

Are there any good books on this? I have looked at Amazon but it looks like a lot of wacky stuff, or testimonies, nothing based on apologetics or evangelism as far as I can see.

Google Wiiliam Null preacher. You will see a website with his messages on it. It is a real training course on how to deal with demons. He is from Arkansas pronounced "Arkinsaw". I just love his accent! I think that if you elate to him as a friend and not try to deal with the demons, but in your private prayers bind those dolmens like mad and intercede for him that Jesus will take him in hand, save him and release him from the demonic bondage. Your prayers will have great power - more than anything you can say to him.

Mountainmanbob · Jan 16, 2018

DW1980 said:
As far as I know, the Bible prohibits consulting psychics. But if we stay away from them, how will they ever hear the gospel?

"How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them?" (Romans 10:14)

Invite them to church.

OK -- keep sharing the word of God with them. I guess in time they will draw closer or wish to get away from you.

We must remember as you wish to disciple them the devil also wants to disciple us.

M-Bob

Presbyterian Continuist · Jan 16, 2018

Mountainmanbob said:
Invite them to church.

OK -- keep sharing the word of God with them. I guess in time they will draw closer or wish to get away from you.

We must remember as you wish to disciple them the devil also wants to disciple us.

M-Bob

The devil might want to, but he's to frightened to take us on, because he will go dooooooowwwn!!!!

Sanoy · Jan 16, 2018

I experience psychic like things. Not the dead thankfully, which I think is demonic, but knowing things. My best explanation is that it is something broken within someone. It is a deficiency that makes someone vulnerable to spiritual things and makes it difficult to live normally. It's like being in a wheelchair, it's a disadvantage until you are racing downhill. Or perhaps I just don't deal with it well.

This person may have an opening in what should be a working veil that separates them from spiritual entities. If that is broken they may experience those entities but they are not gifted against deception. Demons can appear as anything to deceive mankind.

Yeshua HaDerekh · Jan 16, 2018

Sanoy said:
I experience psychic like things. Not the dead thankfully, which I think is demonic, but knowing things. My best explanation is that it is something broken within someone. It is a deficiency that makes someone vulnerable to spiritual things and makes it difficult to live normally. It's like being in a wheelchair, it's a disadvantage until you are racing downhill. Or perhaps I just don't deal with it well.

This person may have an opening in what should be a working veil that separates them from spiritual entities. If that is broken they may experience those entities but they are not gifted against deception. Demons can appear as anything to deceive mankind.

Shalom Sanoy, I would like to know exactly what you mean by "it is something broken within someone. It is a deficiency that makes someone vulnerable to spiritual things and makes it difficult to live normally."

Sanoy · Jan 16, 2018

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
Shalom Sanoy, I would like to know exactly what you mean by "it is something broken within someone. It is a deficiency that makes someone vulnerable to spiritual things and makes it difficult to live normally."

This is from my experience, in trying to figure myself out and from what I have learned from another Christian. I see life as 3 parts, the spirit, the mind, and the body. The mind is all we know, the mind is what is reading this now and thinking about it. The mind is informed by the body and the spirit, it emerges from the 2. There is a channel from the spirit to the mind and from the body to the mind. The bodies channel is normally very large and the spirit small. I think our spirit is aware of things that it does not inform to the mind. I think in some cases the channel is a bit larger which allows the spirit to inform the mind more often.

I think there are also fields around people that protect them like a divers suit. Sometimes these fields get messed up and weakened, especially if you mess with the occult. In other cases they are naturally permeable and allow other fields through which gives you echoes of that persons mind and intents. We are just as complex spiritually as we are physically.

In most of my case it's just psychologically hard to deal with, and very isolating. Put plainly you are living in a world few others are living in or capable of believing. But in other cases you see too much and can't shut it out. The sheer malice and evil in some people will ride you for days.

I just remembered this which the OP might find interesting. In "Hostage to the Devil" the last possession was of a psychic person. He became possessed through astral travel and after the exorcism he still had the psychic stuff he was born with. The priest that did the exorcism was also born as an empath. Astral Travel is the same with the dead, it's like stepping into hell thinking you're in control.

MyGivenNameIsKeith · Jan 16, 2018

I am actually shocked that I only saw one bible verse in all this and the rest a bunch of hearsay. The Bible, the Word of God, is the most useful tool in this. It will instruct you in the way to go. In the Old Testament, there is an extensive bit on things of this nature.
Particularly 1 Samuel 28 speaks of how Saul consulted a medium, which was against God's will. And if you notice in the text, Samuel says the same things he had said before he had died. It wasn't new. Saul had turned from God and God was now his adversary.
Leviticus 19:31 Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I am the LORD your God.
Isaiah 8:19 And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?
Acts of the Apostles 16:16-18 And it came to pass, as we went to prayer, a certain damsel possessed with a spirit of divination met us, which brought her masters much gain by soothsaying: The same followed Paul and us, and cried, saying, These men are the servants of the most high God, which shew unto us the way of salvation. And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he came out the same hour.

Don't tempt God by challenging them. Be a witness. God will speak for himself. The more you immerse yourself in his word, the sharper your perception will become when it comes to things like this. You will be able to tell that there is The Holy Spirit on one hand and evil spirits on the other. They don't mix. So if someone claims that they talk to spirits, that is never an indicator of the Holy Spirit.

Norbert L · Jan 16, 2018

DW1980 said:
Hi

Where I am at a loss is how to discuss this with him. I want to be kind and respectful to him - after all, he's a victim here. But I have no idea how to do that.

How do you know if he sees his own view about all this as himself being a victim? Victim-hood is a tricky subject because if someone thinks that their understanding about the world is right and the Gospel is something that is wrong, then that would be your starting point.

The way I see, psychics offers people real power and some people are seduced into believing that it is "good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom" Genesis 3:6. Looking at them as victims should be seen as a consensual thing, they'll promote themselves as purveyors of "the truth" and have their version of righteousness 2 Corinthians 11:14-15.

What I would do is every time the subject of psychics comes up, talk to him about the Gospel. However be prepared to accept that not only may he reject the good news, he may also reject you over this.

DW1980 · Jan 16, 2018

Norbert L said:
How do you know if he sees his own view about all this as himself being a victim? Victim-hood is a tricky subject because if someone thinks that their understanding about the world is right and the Gospel is something that is wrong, then that would be your starting point.

The way I see, psychics offers people real power and some people are seduced into believing that it is "good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom" Genesis 3:6. Looking at them as victims should be seen as a consensual thing, they'll promote themselves as purveyors of "the truth" and have their version of righteousness 2 Corinthians 11:14-15.

What I would do is every time the subject of psychics comes up, talk to him about the Gospel. However be prepared to accept that not only may he reject the good news, he may also reject you over this.

Hi

You are absolutely right, he doesn't see himself as a victim, but as someone with a gift. I meant that as in the light of what the Bible says

RaymondG · Jan 16, 2018

DW1980 said:
Hi

I wasn't sure whether to post this in advice, or theology, but as I guess I am looking for advice I went with this - apologies if it's wrong.

I have a friend who not only believes in psychics, but claims to be one. What's interesting is that there are a lot of stories, and I don't believe this is made up. And that worries me. I know that "real" psychic activity doesn't come from God.

How do you witness to this kind of person? Their spiritual experiences are as real as mine. So where someone says they have talked with dead relatives, and someone who they didn't know, but after research discovered that the person existed and that the details were right, I can't just say "that's not true".

Has anyone had any experience of this kind of thing? What's the best way to witness to someone like this, without risking a good friendship?

Thanks

Why do you feel you friend is wrong and you are right? What is it that you want to witness? Would them "coming to Christ" be the same as them saying the opposite things to you, or just not mentioning those experiences to you?

DW1980 · Jan 16, 2018

RaymondG said:
Why do you feel you friend is wrong and you are right? What is it that you want to witness? Would them "coming to Christ" be the same as them saying the opposite things to you, or just not mentioning those experiences to you?

Well, because I believe the Bible, so I know what he is experiencing is not good.

RaymondG · Jan 16, 2018

DW1980 said:
Well, because I believe the Bible, so I know what he is experiencing is not good.

You say that your experiences are just as real as his. What spiritual do you experience?

DW1980 · Jan 16, 2018

That's irrelevant - the issue is that the Bible says that what he is experiencing is demonic in nature, hence my concern.

I have experienced the Holy Spirit, emotional and psychological healing. But that is as I say irrelevant.

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